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January 16, 2009, 08:32 AM
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Why did we lose the final?
1. Batting - other than that one magical innings from Sakib, our batting sucked throughout the tournament, costed us the win against Zimbabwe and in the Final.
2. Toss - This was a very close match, who ever batted last would win, good on Sri Lanka for winning the toss.
I would not blame any bowler or Ash for this one, credits to them for making a match out of defending 152.
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January 16, 2009, 08:34 AM
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Batting.
You have to score more than 152. it is not a score for a final.
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January 16, 2009, 08:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mahmood
1. Batting - other than that one magical innings from Sakib, our batting sucked throughout the tournament, costed us the win against Zimbabwe and in the Final.
2. Toss - This was a very close match, who ever batted last would win, good on Sri Lanka for winning the toss.
I would not blame any bowler or Ash for this one, credits to them for making a match out of defending 152.
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I agree. I believe the Junaid and Mush at 3 experiment is over (we need Kapali and Aftab back!!!). Put Mush back down order, where he was actually successful.
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January 16, 2009, 08:36 AM
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36 runs required of 30 balls with 2 wickets left! Ah...Just cant get over that equation...how did we lose it from there??...Happened infront of my very own eyes...Reminds me of that ODI against West Indies a few years back when they still needed 12 runs and we only needed a wicket and ended up losing....On that occasion Sir Bashar decided to give the ball to Rajin instead of Tapash who was in the form of his life..Why does this always happen to us?
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January 16, 2009, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Akib
I agree. I believe the Junaid and Mush at 3 experiment is over (we need Kapali and Aftab back!!!). Put Mush back down order, where he was actually successful.
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I hope that will happen, I hope to see Rokibul and Mushfiq swapping batting positions. For opening, Nafees Iqbal should be given a try.
It would be even better if we could get Aftab and Alok back, but that's not going to happen anytime soon.
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January 16, 2009, 09:09 AM
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This team is fine. 1-1 against SL is more than fine. The top order have lost all confidence. Sacking them will not do any good. We need continued run with these guys. More you shuffle players the more unstable the team becomes. Aftab and Alok are no better than the current bunch. We have seen them in real matches (T20 jodi laigga jai does not count). We can not afford to have 2 or 3 ashes in the team. One is way too many. They had their chances. The only missing part is Russel and Abdur Razzak.
Ash didn't need to put so much pressure on the rookie.
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January 16, 2009, 09:14 AM
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Aftab and SN are incredibly talented!....There is no comparison with the likes of Imrul or Siddiqi...We need them!....Shane Warne still probably has nightmares about SN just like Gillespie has about Aftab.....Kapali finally got the confidence that he needs...We will be so much better in the batting department with those 3 around..
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January 16, 2009, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Shehwar
Aftab and SN are incredibly talented!....There is no comparison with the likes of Imrul or Siddiqi...We need them!....Shane Warne still probably has nightmares about SN just like Gillespie has about Aftab.....Kapali finally got the confidence that he needs...We will be so much better in the batting department with those 3 around..
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Man, your signature is saddening; Rubel had to come to bowling anyway, so even if Shakib had bowled that over, you don't know if anything had happened or not!
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January 16, 2009, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Purbasha T
Man, your signature is saddening; Rubel had to come to bowling anyway, so even if Shakib had bowled that over, you don't know if anything had happened or not!
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Exactly and now we will never ever know! Im sad...really really sad!
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January 16, 2009, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Shehwar
Aftab and SN are incredibly talented!....There is no comparison with the likes of Imrul or Siddiqi...We need them!....Shane Warne still probably has nightmares about SN just like Gillespie has about Aftab.....Kapali finally got the confidence that he needs...We will be so much better in the batting department with those 3 around..
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ei shob talented but no brains players needs to stay away from the team. Don't get me started. Cause I remember the comments Aftab said after Pakistan series. No player with that kind of mind set deserves to be around the team. And Aftab is so talented that he couldn't even score decent runs in Domestic cricket through out his career??? 20 average in domestic and you guys think he will do 30 in Intl? com'on. He knew his situation and he knew his days were numbered that's why he left for ICL.
BD's selectors and fans problem is they can't stick with someone long enough. Bring in players too early, kick them out too early. Let the guys play!! These bunch of jokers almost got NZ and SL in two home series. Give them time they will get SA pretty soon.
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January 16, 2009, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Shehwar
Exactly and now we will never ever know! Im sad...really really sad!
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Okay, your answer seems sarcastic.....so what if Shakib had been bludgeoned for sixes as well, considering the way Murali was hitting!? You would have said ''Now we wouldn't know what would've happened, had Rubel bowled them?'' So all the options were equal gamble.
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January 16, 2009, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Purbasha T
Okay, your answer seems sarcastic..so what if Shakib had been bludgeoned for sixes as well, considering the way Murali was hitting!
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Then I wouldnt have a problem as it was the right thing to do! Why would you think about who to bowl the 50th over at that point of the match...We had to get them all out...They were down! Reeling!...Shakib was on a roll and Murali didnt have a clue! With the powerplay on Srilanka was always gonna win if it had gone on to the last over anyways!
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January 16, 2009, 10:17 AM
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batting, batting & batting. To teach Ashraful abt the right bowling changes we just need to put him in RAB's custody for some serious 'mair'. I think he'll learn that in the end, but batting??? we have been trying for like 7 years now.....
we need to do some voodoo to our first 4 batsman and somehow control them from the dressing room. what the hell is matter with them, how can someone so consistently repeat the mistake...
the first step of improvement would be to score 100 runs by the first 4 batsmen. Is 25 runs on avg too much to ask from specialist batsmen. 100/4 would def give our lower/middle order sth to build on, although I fear by the time we take our top order at that level the rest of the batsmen might start playin 'garage' cricket.....
nonetheless a fantastic start to 2009, lets clean sweep zimbabwe now, we have an unfinished business with them.....
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January 16, 2009, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ialbd
batting, batting & batting. To teach Ashraful abt the right bowling changes we just need to put him in RAB's custody for some serious 'mair'. I think he'll learn that in the end, but batting??? we have been trying for like 7 years now.....
we need to do some voodoo to our first 4 batsman and somehow control them from the dressing room. what the hell is matter with them, how can someone so consistently repeat the mistake...
the first step of improvement would be to score 100 runs by the first 4 batsmen. Is 25 runs on avg too much to ask from specialist batsmen. 100/4 would def give our lower/middle order sth to build on, although I fear by the time we take our top order at that level the rest of the batsmen might start playin 'garage' cricket.....
nonetheless a fantastic start to 2009, lets clean sweep zimbabwe now, we have an unfinished business with them.....
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Ashraful ke RAB kachey dawa is not a bad idea... I worry if RAB will get frustrated with him and do horrible things. He needs long term help, we need to find a sports psychologist for him!!!
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January 16, 2009, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Shehwar
Then I wouldnt have a problem as it was the right thing to do! Why would you think about who to bowl the 50th over at that point of the match...We had to get them all out...They were down! Reeling!...Shakib was on a roll and Murali didnt have a clue! With the powerplay on Srilanka was always gonna win if it had gone on to the last over anyways!
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Hmmm, true to greater extent to be honest; crappy bad luck we've got man; i'm consoling you as well as myself . Let's hope far more exciting stuff up ahead, and most importantly first 3-0 against zim
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January 16, 2009, 11:59 AM
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Where's the poll?
Batting for me. Dropping people is not the solution - we need to work with what we have. Having said that, I wouldn't mind having SN back in the team
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January 16, 2009, 12:11 PM
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SN couldnt do anything with these moving balls. he would have got out playing balls out side the offside after facing few deliveries. I see more potential on Imrul
Zunaed should be fine in test
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January 16, 2009, 12:12 PM
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Where's the poll?
Batting for me. Dropping people is not the solution - we need to work with what we have. Having said that, I wouldn't mind having SN back in the team
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Zimbabwe's bowling standard has improved a lot lately, I doubt our legendary minnow basher could have kept bashing Zimbos.
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January 16, 2009, 12:12 PM
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we were 15 runs too short. plain and simple.
yes batting was tough, so i'm not losing much sleep over this one (literally, i went to bed once we were 70-5). but as TE said, 1-1 vs SL, some display of heart, and a hell of a fight in the final proves once again that progress is being made.
one can certainly blame ash for not scoring 15 more runs as that alone would have ensured victory. but then when the top 3 combined for 23, and have been doing so on a routine basis, what does it matter?
one can also blame his captaincy in the final overs, but then again, what if rubel had cleaned up the tail? mahroof and murali are, despite their heroics, tail enders no better or worse than our mashrafee. had the ploy worked, ash would be regarded as the greatest captain, but now he's the "villain".
at the end of the day, i'm excited and hopeful, and pleased to see that progress is being made.
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January 16, 2009, 12:14 PM
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we lost the match because:
1. Zunaed shouldn't have played (he is no ODI material, has no confidence at all)
2. Coach/Team's decision to play Mushy in one down
3. Ash and Shakib and Tamim's irrresponsible batting
4. ash should have used Riad couple of overs in between
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January 16, 2009, 12:18 PM
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i wouldnt blame ash playing Rubel at 46th over(when he gave away 20 runs). however, rubel shouldn't have brought back again knowing that he is 19 and this is 2nd match. he could gamble with Riad - its not easy to hit out spinner every single ball
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January 16, 2009, 01:20 PM
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we were 15 runs too short. plain and simple.
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15 extra runs wouldn't made the difference. When SL was 6 for 5 after 8 overs the target of 152 was as good as 250. Failing to defend 250+ isn't new for us.
I'm not defending poor batting, but in this match only Murali's innings cost us the match.
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we lost cause we believe... look when we thought bd was faltu bd won and when we thought bd lost the final by scoring 152 they cam back hard. but as soon as we started thinking oh its murali we won we lost...
so bottom line its us the FAN lost the game. Shame on you...
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January 16, 2009, 01:43 PM
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From another thread...
Our captain believes "Lightning not only can struck twice, it can struck as many times as you want!!"
This is the philosophy of his batting and that was the philosophy when he turned to Rubel. He didn't consider his inexperince. he said Rubel bowled well in the last match and that's why I thought he will bowl well today. What he missed here was the difference in sceanrio. Sri Lanka was batting first and there was target in mind. This time they were chasing a total and it was a powerplay situation.
Even Jayawardene was surprised to see Rubel in action
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He was also sorry for the rude awakening of rookie Bangladesh paceman Rubel Hossain, who had taken four wickets on debut against Sri Lanka but conceded 32 runs in his last two overs of the final.
"It is tough in international cricket and it was surprising to see him (Rubel) for the few last overs in a big, tough final. I feel sorry for him but I think he has talent and would learn from it."
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January 16, 2009, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by akabir77
we lost cause we believe... look when we thought bd was faltu bd won and when we thought bd lost the final by scoring 152 they cam back hard. but as soon as we started thinking oh its murali we won we lost...
so bottom line its us the FAN lost the game. Shame on you...
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