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Old December 29, 2007, 12:07 PM
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I am really disappointed to see the gradual decline of Mushfiqur Rahim, I had a great hope on him..... hopefully he will score some runs in the Test series.
I think the number of matches in the sample is statistically not significant. I too had [ and still have ] hopes about him as a batsman. However, KM remains my first choice as keeper in tests.
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Old December 29, 2007, 12:17 PM
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I think the number of matches in the sample is statistically not significant. I too had [ and still have ] hopes about him as a batsman. However, KM remains my first choice as keeper in tests.
I am not talking from these stats.

Here's Mushfiq's stat after the WC.

filtered 7 68 35 13.60 0 - - - - 8 1


He is having a gradual decline.
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Old December 29, 2007, 12:40 PM
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Bowling Averages

ODI:

Mashrafe Mortaza
28.84
103.00

74.16
Abdur Razzak
22.85
59.50

36.65
Shakib Al Hasan
33.18
37.00

3.82
Shahadat Hossain
32.70
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Nazmul Hossain
40.61
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Rajin Saleh
30.60
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Aftab Ahmed
52.41
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Mohammad Ashraful
32.09
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Farhad Reza
100.50
45.00

-55.50



Test:

Mashrafe Mortaza 40.30
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Enamul Haque 39.46
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Shahadat Hossain 46.12
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Enamul Haque 57.05
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Mohammad Ashraful 91.11
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Aftab Ahmed 58.66
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Nazmul Hossain 57.00
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Rajin Saleh 134.00
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Abdur Razzak 208.00
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Shakib Al Hasan-

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Note: Siddons Era ≥ 26 December 2007

ouch!! ki kocho tumi Mash Dada??

excellent thread btw, good to see sum interesting patterns so far but as mentioned beforehand too early to say much
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Old December 29, 2007, 12:47 PM
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I am not talking from these stats.

Here's Mushfiq's stat after the WC.

filtered7683513.600----81



He is having a gradual decline.
And, you could also add the Mirzapore stats...equally bad.
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Old December 29, 2007, 12:49 PM
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Too early now, but this promises to become a very useful thread in the future.
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Old December 29, 2007, 12:54 PM
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Great initiative! Bowling chart is a must as well.

Sakib's batting shortcomings were horribly exposed soon as he was given that test debut against India. He has done well in the NCL to his credit, but, I think, he still is a few years away from being a quality batsman. He needs to work on his feet movement and looks very vulnerable to balls leaving the off stump channel. He is gritty and I have no doubt that he will overcome it with time.
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Old December 29, 2007, 12:57 PM
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Bowling Averages

Test:

Mashrafe Mortaza40.30

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Enamul Haque39.46

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Shahadat Hossain46.12

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Enamul Haque57.05

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Mohammad Ashraful91.11

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-

Aftab Ahmed58.66

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Nazmul Hossain57.00

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Rajin Saleh134.00

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Abdur Razzak208.00

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Shakib Al Hasan-



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Note: Siddons Era ≥ 26 December 2007
These figures show in great detail the sheer poverty in our bowling department. Let's not forget some of them have played quite a few matches.

It is only that many of us watch these guys through rose-tinted glasses that we miss out the stark reality. The "talented" Sakib needs another 10 overs to create a new record. The highest number of overs bowled by a Bangladeshi before taking his first wicket. Anwar Hossain Monir is the dubious holder of this "record".

Mashrafe better "turn up for the game" - better excuses are needed.
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Old December 29, 2007, 01:00 PM
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Sakib's batting shortcomings were horribly exposed soon as he was given that test debut against India. He has done well in the NCL to his credit, but, I think, he still is a few years away from being a quality batsman. He needs to work on his feet movement and looks very vulnerable to balls leaving the off stump channel. He is gritty and I have no doubt that he will overcome it with time.
Spot on. He does seem very uncomfortable with those leaving him, or worse yet, those going straight through the off side channel. I was hoping he'd have figured his footwork out too seeing that he scored so many in the NCL, but the way he's been playing in New Zealand once again confirms how far inferior the league is compared to international cricket.

Before anything, he has got to get rid of those half-hearted cut shots that he plays and misses standing his ground.
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Old December 29, 2007, 01:14 PM
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Spot on. He does seem very uncomfortable with those leaving him, or worse yet, those going straight through the off side channel. I was hoping he'd have figured his footwork out too seeing that he scored so many in the NCL, but the way he's been playing in New Zealand once again confirms how far inferior the league is compared to international cricket.

Before anything, he has got to get rid of those half-hearted cut shots that he plays and misses standing his ground.
Many of these shots are the product of league cricket which is even inferior to "One Day" Mirzapore. These "shots" pay a lot of dividend there as the bowling is grossly inferior. Any bowler who can extract a bit of bounce will have them for breakfast. In the domestic game, the one or two of our bowlers who could remotely bowl anywhere near International standards, hardly played any matches until this year with the exception of Rasel who is a different sort of bowler anyway. I remember an ex-selector telling me that it was not worth playing these matches as the standard was low. It begged the question, where would they get to practice with a higher standard ?
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Old December 29, 2007, 01:18 PM
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WOW ... quality stuff Dr. Z, both you and Arnab should post more on cricket for all of our sake.
i think they used to... waaay back in the day.

btw, great thread...we should sticky it and also have a side by side comparison with pre-DW and DW-era stats as well.

btw, i am still working on an Excel database of our core 20 or so players (will have to add Junaid and Sajidul to it now also). i am maybe 20 percent complete with it.

because its, excel, its not going to be extremely handy...but fairly easily I can dig up stats which cricinfo's stats guru cannot. for example, if you wanted to know what mushfiqur rahim's ODI batting strike rate is in matches played in Sri Lanka, chasing a target, and batting no higher up than at # 5 position, you wouldn't be able to currently get that statistic easily.

but with my new database, it will be a matter minutes and, voila, you will have the answer.
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Old December 29, 2007, 01:25 PM
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Visual Whatmore Effect
Bowling improved significantly. Batting not much. Batting almost always followed up & down pattern. Hope this is the area Siddons improves a lot. Bowling will take us nowhere really if you cant bat.
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Old December 29, 2007, 01:33 PM
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Visual Whatmore Effect
if the problem was the inherent non-idealness of the PWC or LG ICC ratings system, use my WEIR system instead.

of course, I'd have to go and figure out the stats for the opposition's bowlers at the time we played them. of course to simplify things we could just use their current cumulative career stats...
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Excellent thread! Keep it up!
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I am really disappointed to see the gradual decline of Mushfiqur Rahim, I had a great hope on him..... hopefully he will score some runs in the Test series.
I think Mushfiq's batting technique is one of the best in BD..given more time and patience I believe he will turn out to be a world-class keeper-batsman and I think he has the potential to be a future captain..he captained the U-19s and they enjoyed a great spell under him and the way he operates in the field: shouting orders, spurring the team on..he is a natural leader so I think we have to have patience with him.
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Old December 30, 2007, 10:25 PM
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Scenario after the first ODI series in charge..

ODI Squad






Batting average






Player Pre-siddons era Siddons era difference
Tamim Iqbal 19.38 35.33 15.95
Mohammad Ashraful 21.79 32.66 10.87
Abdur Razzak 12.58 28.00 15.42
Aftab Ahmed 26.41 27.00 0.59
Farhad Reza 24.36 13.50 -10.86
Tushar Imran 14.50 11.50 -3.00
Shakib Al Hasan 36.84 10.33 -26.51
Zunaed Siddique
9.66 .........N/A
Mashrafe Mortaza 16.52 9.50 -7.02
Mehrab Hossain Jnr 22.22 3.00 -19.22
Shahadat Hossain 6.75 3.00 -3.75
Mushfiqur Rahim 24.71 2.00 -22.71
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Waiting for Hatebreed to complete the bowlers scenario.
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Bowling Averages

ODI:

Mashrafe Mortaza
28.84
123.00

94.16
Abdur Razzak
22.85
68.00

45.15
Shakib Al Hasan
33.18
42.33

9.15
Shahadat Hossain
32.70
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Nazmul Hossain
40.61
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Rajin Saleh
30.60
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Aftab Ahmed
52.41
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Mohammad Ashraful
32.09
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Farhad Reza
100.50
45.00

-55.50



Note: Siddons Era ≥ 26 December 2007
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Time for the updates. Where is HB?

I'll post the Test updates soon.
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I think Mushfiq's batting technique is one of the best in BD..given more time and patience I believe he will turn out to be a world-class keeper-batsman and I think he has the potential to be a future captain..he captained the U-19s and they enjoyed a great spell under him and the way he operates in the field: shouting orders, spurring the team on..he is a natural leader so I think we have to have patience with him.
I agree wholeheartedly. I miss him as he is one of my favourit players. such enthusiasm behind the wicket. hope Siddons bring him back in his core players training camp.
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Time for the updates. Where is HB?

I'll post the Test updates soon.
Let the series end first. that way you don't have to update again.
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