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Old June 12, 2005, 07:36 AM
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Default rana is an essential component to the BD team

once again rana showed he is an essential component to the ODI side, 7 ov 17 runs 1 wicket so far. he would be in my team infront of shujon anytime

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Old June 12, 2005, 07:58 AM
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yes it,s very true
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Old June 12, 2005, 08:04 AM
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Chacha > Rana
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Old June 12, 2005, 08:08 AM
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hmmm close one to call....if only could bat nore aggressivly
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Old June 12, 2005, 08:12 AM
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BangladeshFan, do u have your helmet on? You always need to put your helmet on before talking in favore of rana here (telling u from experience) otherwise u'll not know where the stones are coming from and landing on your head.

[helmet on]Rana should definitely play all 6 ODI alone with Rafique[helmet off]
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Old June 12, 2005, 08:37 AM
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agent u r right, we have an active rana hate group here. however if one goes by performance of last few ODIs there is no way to keep rana out of the team.

if shujon is to kept in the side it has to be for a batsman which means dropping either ahsraful or tushar or nafis. but our batting is so weak, we cant do that. so no place for chacha at least for 1st few matches i think.
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Old June 12, 2005, 08:40 AM
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I am one of the biggest fans of Rana. To me, class or technic means nothing, performence is everything. Rana always performs.
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Old June 12, 2005, 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by Rajputro
I am one of the biggest fans of Rana. To me, class or technic means nothing, performence is everything. Rana always performs.
From a different point of view, his performance looks not so bad when rest of the players performs poorly.

Out team will be always hopeless as long as we have to consider someone like Rana "useful".
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Old June 12, 2005, 09:10 AM
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I know spitfire, you are the 2nd best rana hatter here. but where did the 1st disappears suddenly? I mean Sham. I had some VERY "lively" discussion with him about rana.

hopefully rana will play in the odi and prove u guys wrong once again!
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Old June 12, 2005, 09:24 AM
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Out team will be always hopeless as long as we have to consider someone like Rana "useful".
Let's ignore the hate/love Rana issue for a bit. I too am fond of Rana but Spitfire has an excellent point.

You can have a team full of classy players, but if they cannot perform consistently to average at least 20, the perhaps a team packed with 11 utilitiy players like Rana will probably do better.

The real point is we are having to consider Rana because no one else performs.
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Old June 12, 2005, 09:26 AM
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He will get chance in few ODIs, don't worry.

Our team will perform so horribly that team management will get crazy and make 2-3 changes in every match.
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Old June 12, 2005, 11:46 AM
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I am one of the biggest fans of Rana. To me, class or technic means nothing, performence is everything. Rana always performs.
From a different point of view, his performance looks not so bad when rest of the players performs poorly.

Out team will be always hopeless as long as we have to consider someone like Rana "useful".
spitfire from that point of view, someone like larsen should have never played for Nz. he was just a medium pacer whose strength was line and length, could get a few runs in the lower order. but he was selected in almost all ODIs for Nz and was recognised as specialist ODI player.

ODIs are played with bits and pieces players, tests are for specialists. rana may not be a wicket taking bowler in test matches, but his flat left arm spin is an asset for Bd. He is going to return economic spell in every ODI he plays.
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Old June 12, 2005, 11:56 AM
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I am one of the biggest fans of Rana. To me, class or technic means nothing, performence is everything. Rana always performs.
Big Thumps Up!!!!
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Old June 12, 2005, 12:42 PM
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Don't spoilt Rana's head now.

He may forget how to bat like Rajin (who is also a performer, not talented misguided fool like Ashraful or Aftab-to-be, or Iqbal-to-be)
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Old June 12, 2005, 12:43 PM
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23.66 with and 3.83 econ rate with 18 wickets from 18 ODIs are healthy stats for any BD player. Plus he has been in a good form from last 5 ODIs. He should definately get to play most of the ODIs.

Rajputro has a very good point of performance over class and technique. We have yet to see how fast all our players can grasp this moto.
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Old June 12, 2005, 01:07 PM
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bangladesh fan,

during gevin larsen's time NZ was not asuccessful team.thier spirited run in 92 world cup was the only good story.. your main point is valid..bit bits of this/that one can be successful.. And rana indeed is a tidy performer..

problem is the formation of the team..our batting is so bad that we need 6 batsman.. and that is why to have another spinner become very difficult option...

on a sidenote, when u consdier last few onedayers, rana was not playing against India.. and in retrospect, that turned out to be a favor to him...
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Old June 12, 2005, 01:11 PM
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another caveat: today's performance of rana ..please do consider that the opposition was alterday struggling when he came into bowling.. do u think under the circumstances rafique would have done any less.? the way Rafique was reated by england in the test series and the away australians play..it will be really a brave decision to play two spinners to start the series. This is an excellent situation that we have aback up in Rana....

on another note, this was 'shining' for chacha.. as this was not a lost cause...
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Old June 12, 2005, 01:45 PM
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another caveat: today's performance of rana ..please do consider that the opposition was alterday struggling when he came into bowling.. do u think under the circumstances rafique would have done any less.?
May be... may be not. For me I am not going to discount / diminish performance for that. There is a treand that people find all the excuse to justify Rajin, Ashraful, Aloke's bad performance even with weaker opponent, but wait a minute. When Rana perform the way each palyer is supposed to perform for their national team, all this stuff start bubling up... his bad techinue, he performed when it doesn't matter, against weak team.... etc... etc... I guess the secetors were in drugs when he was selected couple of times man of the Match......

Is there any personal thing that I am missing... at least that would make sense.
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Old June 12, 2005, 01:49 PM
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He is another Mashud.. you can count on him always.. He is going to play no doubt. He doesnt need to do anything different,, he plays with his limitations but sure will not throw away his wicket for sure.
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Old June 12, 2005, 01:51 PM
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We do have some dillema that I am sure the selectors are considering and thinking through. Given the brittle nature of our batting, it will be foolhardy to go into a match with five batsmen. Assuming, we will go with six specialist batsmen ( JO, Nafis/Rajin, Aftab, Ash, Bashar, Tushar ), Wkt Mashud and four specialst bowler. Among the bowlers only three are a gurantee
in Mash, Naz and Rafiq. Assuming here that Chacha will be the fourth bowler. Apart from Aftab, we don't have many bowling options form the top six batsmen. It gets even worse if Rajin is not picked ( they wanted him to succeed really bad judging the amount of chances he got ). So, its very very important for Aftab to bowl and bowl well ( cutting those wides ) since we need at least 7-8 decent overs from him. In the end, we must go with six specialist batsmen as that batting is the priority in our case. Going with five batsmen, as some people have suggested to accomodate both Rana and Chacha, will be futile to say the least.
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Old June 12, 2005, 02:14 PM
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Is there any personal thing that I am missing... at least that would make sense.
fazal,

yes, u are missing the major boat as far as that particular post is concerned. and that is "we may not need a second spinner and as a single spinner he will not get the nod..as things stand now...".
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Old June 12, 2005, 02:23 PM
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This is where I feel like jumping in. "we may not need a second spinner".

why we don't? Because of condition? what are the pacers doing with the condition? what are the reason to justify pacer heavy attack. will be get anything better than what we got before. NO. its time for us to move on to our strength than condition. we do not have quality pacers to take advantage of the condition. so, spin is the answer. just look at the stat, is rana and rafique's stat any worse than all the pacers except masri? no, actually its better.

our attack should be spin heavy from now on. either sujon/nazmul playing with aftab coming as the fifth bowler.
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Old June 12, 2005, 03:04 PM
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i dont think there is anyway we can drop this 4 bowlers..... mash, naz, rafiq and rana. australian or england batsmen are not going to take toll on Bd spinners, certainly not more than that of the pacers. Infact it was a mistake not to play enamul(along with rafiq) in the tests now as everyone has realized. onlyway chacha can get in the side is in place of a batsman but it is risky since our batting is really brittle. he can replace nafis(rajin is out of question) but then there is no other regular opener with JO.

feisal u r right in that rana was lucky that he did not bowl to india. but then even warne consider himself lucky not to bowl to india
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Old June 12, 2005, 03:21 PM
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Q: Who is the only BD player to have won man of the match awards in 2 consecutive games?

A: Rana.

Rana haters will be rana haters. Rana will continue to perform regardless. he is the only player capable of taking rafique's place once he retires. enamul is a better spinner, but not a perfect replacement for rafique.
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Old June 12, 2005, 03:26 PM
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Rana haters will be rana haters. Rana will continue to perform regardless. he is the only player capable of taking rafique's place once he retires. enamul is a better spinner, but not a perfect replacement for rafique.
Rana will be always useless in Test. You don't have to be a Rana hater to admit that
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