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Old August 10, 2005, 12:35 PM
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Default First 11 plus super sub for 1st ODI vs SL


My choice for the 1st ODI would be:

1. Javed Omar
2. Shahriar Nafees Ahmed
3. Aftab Ahmad Chowdhury
4. Mohammad Ashraful
5. Tushar Imran
6. Habibul Bashar (capt)
7. Khaled Mashud
8. Mohammad Rafique
9. Manzarul Islam
10. Mashrafe Mortaza
11. Nazmul Hossain

Super Sub:
12. Rajin Saleh

Extra:
13. Khaled Mahmud
14. Khan Abdur Razzak
15. Syed Russel

I choose Rajin as the super sub as it was mentioned by Dev that he would use a batsman as a super sub.
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Old August 10, 2005, 01:17 PM
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why not have rana as super sub as he can bat and bowl and it will give us more flexaability with the toss
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Old August 10, 2005, 01:33 PM
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This super sub is thing is a bad thing. Almost all the team would want to keep a batsman as a 12th man on a batting pitch like Sri-Lanka. So whoever wins the toss gets the advantage. They take fielding, get the bowlers 10 overs and then send a batsman while their turn of batting. Winning toss becomes more important. If we lose the toss which bashar can be very good at, our 12 batsman will be of no use.
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Old August 10, 2005, 01:58 PM
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Sorry i couldnt really agree with your team, its a silly idea to send Sumon at 6, based on recent performances my team for the first ODI against Srilanka would be:

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1. Javed Omar
2. Shahriar Nafees Ahmed
3. Tushar Imran
4. Mohammad Ashraful
5. Habibul Bashar (capt)
6. Aftab Ahmad Chowdhury
7. Khaled Mashud
8. Mohammad Rafique
9. Manzarul Islam/Khaled Mahmud(Based on the Pitch)
10. Mashrafe Mortaza
11. Nazmul Hossain

Super Sub:
12. Rajin Saleh

Extra:
13. Khaled Mahmud/ Manjarul Islam
14. Khan Abdur Razzak
15. Syed Russel
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Old August 10, 2005, 02:05 PM
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Manzarul Islam/Khaled Mahmud(Based on the Pitch)
I'm sorry I find this embarrasing , I could care less if the Pitch is seamer friendly, if it is than put Rasel rather than Mahmud.

Here's my XI

1. Javed Omar
2. Shahriar Nafees Ahmed
3. Aftab Ahmad Chowdhury
4. Mohammad Ashraful
5. Habibul Bashar (capt)
6 Tushar Imran
7. Khaled Mashud
8. Mohammad Rafique
9. Manzarul Islam
10. Mashrafe Mortaza
11.Syed Russel
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Old August 10, 2005, 02:20 PM
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Hey! dont be sorry cricman! U r allowed to have your opinion, this forum is about discussing different point of views, we all dont have to agree with each other. I also wanna partly agree with u assuming that perhaps Russel is a young promising player but i frankly havent seen him play yet, so i will stick to Sujon. Saying that i sincerely feel he should retire after this Sri-Lanka tour. I mean ideally speaking i wanted him to retire after the England tour. I dont think he should stick around untill the 2007 WC. But in this case i will stick to him in the first ODI simply because he did reasonably well in his last ODI.
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Old August 10, 2005, 03:48 PM
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My team would be the same as cricman... except for he didnt mention anything about the super sub. My super sub would be Rajin
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Old August 10, 2005, 04:58 PM
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I'm sorry, what i said was impolite and i definently could of and should of said it in a different manner.

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But in this case i will stick to him in the first ODI simply because he did reasonably well in his last ODI.
That is not true, He gave up 13+ runs in the 45/46 over that gave the match to the Aussies and he misplayed a ball that led to three runs the following over.
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Old August 10, 2005, 05:03 PM
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why is javed omar in ODI again?:cool2:
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Old August 10, 2005, 05:12 PM
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My team:

Shahriar Nafees
Ashraful
Bashar
Aftab
Tushar
Rajin
Pilot
Rafique
Rana
Mashrafee
Rasel / Nazmul

Super Sub: Javed Omar

Javed Omar is super sub because unless we have a big collapse he is totally useless. Ashraful should open, if we want to take full advantage of the fielding restriction. He was coming to bat into the first 15 overs in almost all matches in the Natwest series. With his re-discovered confidence, he should do well in his day. He can still get out for a duck, regardless of his batting position. Sending him to open the innings is the best option for this series.
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Old August 10, 2005, 06:04 PM
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Spitfire, the last thing I'd like to see is Ashraful as an opener in either Test or ODI. He is a proven middle order batsman and all set for the slot he bats for. Lets not ruin his carrier by pushing him forward as a makeshift opener.
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Old August 10, 2005, 08:07 PM
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What's wrong with using Ashraful as opener? None of Tendukar, Ganguly, Sehwag, Gilchrist were specialist opener, but all of them has been very successful as ODI opener. In ODI, specialist openers are not very necessary. The main policiy is giving the best and the most aggressive batsman of a side chance to face as many balls as possible.
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Old August 10, 2005, 08:19 PM
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i dont think sending ash in as opener will destroy his career. he should be fine. i mean we all know as well as he does that he wont be dropped for a bad perofrmance or two. besides, if he clicks, then we may as well keep him there for life.

trying ash out as an opener will indeed enable us to utilize the benefits of the field restrictions to the max, hence providing us with a base from which we can go on to score big. just imagine what kind of a relief it will be for the other batsmen.
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Old August 10, 2005, 08:23 PM
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Quote:
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What's wrong with using Ashraful as opener? None of Tendukar, Ganguly, Sehwag, Gilchrist were specialist opener, but all of them has been very successful as ODI opener. In ODI, specialist openers are not very necessary. The main policiy is giving the best and the most aggressive batsman of a side chance to face as many balls as possible.
If Ashraful clicks in 1 out of 5 games he could win that game by himself. I will take 4 ducks for that. If he comes in the middle order its much harder for him to win that game by himself.

Navarene - Ashraful isn't a proven middle order batsman. He has rarely stopped an avalanche.

Having said that I think the selectors and the coaches need to have strong balls to send him as openner. If he goes into one of his prolonged slumps, media is going to eat Whatmore alive.
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Old August 10, 2005, 08:46 PM
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we can definately use ash in the opening slot.... we have couple other good batsmen who can play in the middle overs.... and if he does click which he should in flat pitch in srilanka we will be able to give them a good score......
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Old August 10, 2005, 09:12 PM
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we can definately use ash in the opening slot.... we have couple other good batsmen who can play in the middle overs.... and if he does click which he should in flat pitch in srilanka we will be able to give them a good score......

Besides the 10 over fielding restriction (you know Ash won't get the other 10 overs), he will get the additional benefit of batting with a left hander (Shahriar Nafees).

With a team like Srilanka this may be the only strategy that could win us a game.

Tell me any other plan that gives us a realistic chance.

Srilanka is so much superior to us that a hail mary like this is probably the only way.

The good part is that Srilanka will play some of their young players to check them out for the 2007 world cup. Ash can take their confidence out and make them vulnerable. Lets do it!

Edited on, August 11, 2005, 2:13 AM GMT, by pagol-chagol.
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Old August 10, 2005, 10:05 PM
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This super sub is thing is a bad thing. Almost all the team would want to keep a batsman as a 12th man on a batting pitch like Sri-Lanka. So whoever wins the toss gets the advantage. They take fielding, get the bowlers 10 overs and then send a batsman while their turn of batting. Winning toss becomes more important. If we lose the toss which bashar can be very good at, our 12 batsman will be of no use.
It seems you have everything figured out! How many captains in the Indian oil Cup sent the opposition in after winning the toss? o! Reason? In the subcontinent it is usually difficult to chase, either because of the turning pitch or because of flood light. So if anything, super sub will even things out to some extent here!
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Old August 10, 2005, 10:18 PM
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If you folks recall, Ash _did_ open - and sucessfully too - last year in SL. During the Asia Cup. I also agree with Spitfire - in ODI you send your best batsman to open and Ash is our best batsman.
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Old August 11, 2005, 02:00 AM
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How many times we saw our team got all out not finishing 50 overs or struggling to play through 50 overs? so many times no doubt! The reason we won against Australia is Ashraful played through 40+ overs and there was a good partnership with Bashar. Even in that match our win was in doubt, because one of our batsman was bowler ( Rafiqe ) with Aftab last couple of overs. So I think there is no way to win unless we play through 50 overs first. Secondly, we must have some players who can keep his wicket intact, as well as accelerate the run rate in middle overs ( 20 to 40 overs ). If we can survive up to 40+ overs with Mashud, rafiqe, Mashrafee and someother in hand, then we can expect a decent score for competition. A weak team like Bangladesh should put their best players in middle instead of top, because if we lose a player like Asharaful or Bashar ( our best ) in first couple of overs, it's always seems like our game is over! On the other hand when Ashraful and Bashar walks in after a decent start from top order, hold us with lot of hope, like something might happen this time. And the possibility of a win seems higher to me if we think that way.

Some one should open a new thread analyzing our win against Australia, there must be so many things to discuss.

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Shahriar Nafees
Javed/Rajin
Tushar
Ashraful
Bashar
Aftab
Pilot
Rafique
Razzak/Rana
Mashrafee
Rasel / Nazmul
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Old August 11, 2005, 07:31 AM
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If anybody else should open with S. Nafees then it should be Rafiq. Two left handed batsman against Vaas would be the best way to go. And I always believe that the best batsman of any side should bat at one down position. That's why Ashraful should be at number 3 position.
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Old August 11, 2005, 08:33 AM
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..............I choose Rajin as the super sub as it was mentioned by Dev that he would use a batsman as a super sub.
Batting First, and target score is 300+:
1st Target should be No Wicket within 1st 10 over, and 50 Runs:
1. Mohammad Rafique
2. Mohammad Ashraful
3. Shahriar Nafees Ahmed
4. Tushar Imran
5. Javed Omar
6. Habibul Bashar (capt)
7. Aftab Ahmad
8. Mashrafe Mortaza
9. Khaled Mashud
10. Syed Russel
11. Manzarul Islam

Sup Sub: Rajin Saleh

If Wicket Fallen, 2 down within 1st 10 overs, then it be:
1. Mohammad Rafique
2. Mohammad Ashraful
3. Javed Omar
4. Tushar Imran
5. Habibul Bashar (capt)
6. Shahriar Nafees Ahmed
7. Khaled Mashud
8. Aftab Ahmad
9. Mashrafe Mortaza
10. Manzarul Islam
11. Syed Russel

Sup Sub: Rajin Saleh

Batting Second as usual of regula XI, is best choice of me.
At least in one or in two games new experiments can be done, as this is the time to get maximum and try differently. Bashar should aware of it! He needs to be more agrassive and needs to set up an attacking fields everytime, and Bangladeshi Boys needs to put their 100% in game with their individual potential.

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Old August 11, 2005, 03:26 PM
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ANYONE EXCEPT JAVED OMAR PLEEEEAAAASSEEE!!!!!

WHY IS HE EVEN IN THE ONE DAY SQUAD.....
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Old August 11, 2005, 04:37 PM
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i think sending ashraful to open wont be right decision, as bd has history of failures against left arm pacers and specially vaas. we need to keep him at number 4 as he can tackle the spinners well and ofcouse murali. shahriar is quite an aggressive opener anyway so bd needs an opener who can keep his wicket intact. unfortunately i cant see any other except JO
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Old August 12, 2005, 01:22 AM
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I am not too worried about team composition at this point. But I would like our ODI team to build towards the next World Cup and make progressive steps. Thats means, no sluggish openers unable to take advantage of fielding restrictions ( Javed Omar). Absolutely no Khaled Mahmud. At this point he is a burden and an embarrassment to the Bangladeshi team. I would like to see Rajin reinstated at the top of the order, at least for a couple of games. Rajin proved to be very successful at mixing caution with aggression in the short stint that he opened before he was dumped for no apparent reason.My selection for the first ODI :

Shahriar Nafees
Rajin Saleh
Tushar Imran
Mohammed Ashraful
Habibul Bashar
Aftab Ahmed
Khaled Mashud
Manjarul Islam/ Abdul Razzak
Mohammed Rafique
Mashrafee Mortuza
Syed Rusel/Nazmul Hosain
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Old August 12, 2005, 03:12 AM
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Have you guys thought of Bashar as super sub?
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