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Old March 10, 2006, 01:49 AM
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Please for the sake of the future please let him settle down and learn how to play before including him to the team again and to all the fans who shows the audacity to think even to replace Masud ...think again!!!
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Old March 10, 2006, 01:56 AM
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Well said!

People who want to replace Masud should be admitted to Pabna Mental Hospital without further delay! They are for loss of a better word: NUTS! He is still far and away the best keeper in the country, and for most of our test career as a nation, he has been the one player who has stood up and defied the opposition. The first hint of bad form, and people want him out! Crazy!

As for those who want Rahim in the team, my question is: what is the hurry? Is there any reason to push him into top flight cricket at 17? And please don't say, he has already played Tests so we cant keep him out now. Of course we can. He is extremely talented but he needs to develop as a cricketer. You don't just throw an under-19 player into Test cricket because he scored a first class 100 against a county side! This lack of patience is worrying to say the least!

Edited on, March 10, 2006, 6:59 AM GMT, by Sham.
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Old March 10, 2006, 02:16 AM
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U-19 is a level below FC level and nowhere near test level. So calling for the inclusion of U-19 players in test team is madness. Most U-19 people will struggle to bridge such a huge gap. For all his achievements in U-19, Rahim has a long long way to go before he is ready for test cricket.
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Old March 10, 2006, 02:22 AM
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Well... wht can i say? We fans are just too crazy sometimes.. even to replace our whole national side with the U-19 group... aren't we?!
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Old March 10, 2006, 03:18 AM
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I think he should play in the ODI series against Kenya as specialist batsman. If he does well then we can give him chance as specialist batsman in the ODI series against Australia. He played mostly one day matches for U-19 team. So let him show his skills in the shorter version of the game first, since he is more familiar with it.

(FYI, I never said that Mushfiq should replace Pilot as keeper right now or in recent future)
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Old March 10, 2006, 04:40 AM
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no doubt rahim is a talented good batsman. but he should be given more chance but not now. he should play in under 19 level and bangladesh a for sometimes.but now he is keeping for khaled masud. lets see how good he is behind the stumps.
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Old March 10, 2006, 04:52 AM
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Strictly as myself : Where is Sauron? খূব তো গলাবাজি করছিলো৷ Now he's vanished and I want my humble pie ala the U-19s.

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Old March 10, 2006, 05:18 AM
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Forget Sauron,

some of our more prominent members/staff should eat some humble pie right about now!

Rahim ke shesh korei charbe, they just wont allow a young talent to develop!
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Old March 10, 2006, 06:02 AM
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It was bound to happen......i was telling this from the beginning that Rahim should not be even considered to be in the team for abother one year..........U-19 is a tooo below level than international cricket.......look what has happened.......now you do not know what to do with him......throw him out or keep him......huh??

Sometimes fan get crazy i know.....this time our selectors also got crazy.....some 40/50 scores in the U-19 level gives him a chance in the test level.....radiculus!!

With some experience, Rahim can be a regular member in the future......but to be honest.....the short period he stayed in the wicket in this test....i saw nothing special in him.....he went to back foot several times against Murali when he should be in the front foot......and the way he got out in the second innings.....there is a big question mark on his highly discussed Temperment.

Give him a break.....he is way far to be ready for the test team....also the other U-19 guyz as well.

Edited on, March 10, 2006, 11:06 AM GMT, by yaseer.
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Old March 10, 2006, 06:26 AM
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Did the selectors say that Mushfiqur Rahim is bad playing against spinners, or was it Aftab Ahmed?

It is my 'baseless' assumption that Pilot was injured sometime before this series or during this series (may be even after the 1st test) which led the selectors to think about including Rahim in the side, just as a back-up to Pilot. It is also my baseless assumption that Pilot's injury was not serious, but it could turn out to be a serious one, which led the team management plus the selectors to think about including Rahim for the 2nd test.

And also, Kapali's uselessness with the bat in the 1st test helped the selectors and team management to think this way.
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Old March 10, 2006, 06:39 AM
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i cant read the selectors mind......if Kapali is useless.....how come Rahim takes place ahead of Aftab or even Rajin?? some may say Aftab is not ok (because of jaundice), then why he is in the 15?? some may say....Rajin is also useless....then why he is in the 15 man squad?? if Aftab n Rajin in the squad...then they must be considered ahead of Mushfiq

Edited on, March 10, 2006, 11:41 AM GMT, by yaseer.
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Old March 10, 2006, 06:46 AM
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I am never a very big fan of intorducing teen-agers right into the national side whenever they are doing good in Age-group level. To be frank, even the idea of playing Mushfiq in Lords looked quite funny to me. They must come through a connsiderable transitional level cricket for their own benifit and also for the country. Even though I have wrote a lot about it in another thread just today... I will say it here again:

There is practically a gulf of difference between age group and International level of Cricket

We fans better start to realize it too... if we actually do care to protect our young talents from being over-exposed too early!
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Old March 10, 2006, 07:05 AM
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OK, I am here to eat my share of the pie for calling Mushfiq's inclusion in the Test squad. But, this is as far I go, I never asked for the head of the any player from the playing eleven in the 1st Test to make room for Rahim. It would be perfectly fine if he had enjoyed his time with the nats and went back to his own team as a happy camper.

Anyway, why to blame the fans for their idiocy so much when DW, after knowing Muralidharan and most of the Lanka team so well, made statement that this seventeen years old boy would be doing fine in this match.

Edited on, March 10, 2006, 12:06 PM GMT, by TheWatcher.
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Old March 10, 2006, 07:36 AM
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Anyway, why to blame the fans for their idiocy so much when DW, after knowing Muralidharan and most of the Lanka team so well, made statement that this seventeen years old boy would be doing fine in this match.

Edited on, March 10, 2006, 12:06 PM GMT, by TheWatcher.
Okay lets get something straight: after only one match, its not right to say that Mushfiq cant play these bowlers or isnt good enough to bat at this level. He has the talent, and probably the skills as well. But experience, maturity and temperament are different things. An experienced player would put a bad match behind him. But think of how much a performance like this would affect a 17 year old!

I dont think any of us who are against Rahim's inclusion have said that he is not good enough. What we have said is that when you throw young players into the deep too early, you run the risk of destroying their careers unless they learn to swim in double quick time. It has happened to soooo many players in the sub-continent and yet we havent learnt our lesson!

There is a reason why English and Australian players don't make it into their side before 5-6 years of performing in first class cricket. When is the last time a teenager played for England or Australia? A player must be groomed before they are given a chance at the highest level. We throw ours in after one innings or one season! Its a ridiculous idea but some of the people on this board are never going to get it!
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Old March 10, 2006, 07:47 AM
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To add to Sham's last paragraph, I don't think that if we follow the English or the Australian strategy, it would work for us, because physically, a player from the subcontinent plays well at International level when they're 20, 21 years age (Ashraful, Aftab) and gets injured or loses steam within the age of 30 because of obvious environmental conditions (look at Sujon now). But I do agree with his opinion, that it is not right to bring in 17 or 18 year olds straight from age group level to International scene.

For example, Aftab Ahmed, Nafees Iqbal and Shahriar Nafees got into the national team at the right age.
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Old March 10, 2006, 08:00 AM
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To add to Sham's last paragraph, I don't think that if we follow the English or the Australian strategy, it would work for us, because physically, a player from the subcontinent plays well at International level when they're 20, 21 years age (Ashraful, Aftab) and gets injured or loses steam within the age of 30 because of obvious environmental conditions (look at Sujon now). But I do agree with his opinion, that it is not right to bring in 17 or 18 year olds straight from age group level to International scene.

For example, Aftab Ahmed, Nafees Iqbal and Shahriar Nafees got into the national team at the right age.
Khaled Mahmud Shujon is atleast 40!

And I dont agree about sub-continental players losing steam by 30! Most of the successful Indian, Pakistani and Sri Lankan batsmen have scored heaps of runs well into their 30s! Aftab, Nafees and Shahriar have all got into the team about 2-3 years too early!
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Old March 10, 2006, 08:10 AM
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We can't take anymore chance with Rahim.. the kid is still too young and he certainly isn't ready for test level.... I don't think he should be tried against Kenya either... those matches are very important for BD to qualify for the champions trophy and I'd like to see the team get out of this misery and play with some maturity!

It was a terrible batting performance against SL... BD did well to contain SL's first innings on both tests and finally they've stopped losing by an innings which is better than nothing... I'm just hoping they'll put up a better show against the Aussies
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Old March 10, 2006, 09:33 AM
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Very Interesting thread opened just after failure in one test (2 innings). Actually the 'Rahim Non-Lovers' didn't wasted any time, not even let the game finish before lashing out the 'Rahim Lovers'. Some members pointed out they should be send to Pagla Garod also.

But guess what?

POINT-1
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Where is the lashing out of Faruk and co.? Shouldn't they be lashed out 10 times more? Shouldn’t Faruk and co. should also enroll to 'Pagla Garod' ? Or Wine and dine with 'Rahim Non-Lovers' because they know best.


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The 'Rahim Non-Lovers' pointed out Rahim (players like him from u-19) shouldn't be included too soon, it will kill their career. Very valid point and lack of Rahim's performance seems to validate their claim on face value.

But to me, it doesn’t proof anything besides the fact that Rahim failed in his 2nd test against quality spin. Agreed he looked clueless. But to see if this match totally killed his career or not, I guess we need to wait a little bit. Shouldn't you wait before pulling the trigger too soon? There are examples from the past for both sides. From my side few tries to the national team may help them to understand what they need to work on to be a permanent member of the national team. They can go back to (u-19, team-a, domestic league) and work on that. Shahadat looks like getting the best out of his experience from the national team and even though he has his few failures at the beginning. He looked clueless in his first few innings in TEST. After the 1st Innings of 1st test, some members were trashing Shahadat, now he is their hero. Should I suggest they should also go to Pagla Garod (including some 'Rahim Non-Lovers')? My answer is Absolute no? That’s why the fans are for.

Now for 'Rahim Non-Lovers', what did they point out before his inclusion? They only repeated like Tota Pakir Buli "He is not ready" with out breaking down in details his technical deficiency. That doesn't help that much for fans who thought he may be ready mentally. But if you read the local newspaper, they mentioned his weakness against spin is a big concern and asked the question to either Farok or Dav (I forgot) 1 day before the game. I never knew that information before. He was supposed to play at #6. I raised that concern in one of those threads. Sauron can validate that. So instead of wanting Sauron's neck, shouldn't 'Rahim Non-Lovers' want Faruq's neck first? After all they (Faruk and co.) are supposed to have more detailed on-hand background information than any one of us.


As for me, in general, I was not against Rahim. Actually I would be happy with anyone except Alok in 2nd test whether its Aftab, Rahim, Tushar, Rana or even Rajin.


And further more: 'Rahim Non-Lovers' suggested 'Rahim Lovers' to check into 'Pagla Garod' whereas thinks inclusion of 'Rahim' is premature: Shouldn't you guys follow your own message.. i.e. not pulling your trigger too prematurely on 'Rahim Lovers'?

btw. After watching these kind of batting performance (which includes almost every body except Ash, Bashar and Rafiq) by BD team, I am in no mood to go to-and-forth with pointless argument with 'Rahim Non-Lovers'. This is my last message in this thread.

Therefore this is your opportunity... go ahead try your best swing....

Edited on, March 10, 2006, 3:11 PM GMT, by Fazal.
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Old March 10, 2006, 09:40 AM
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nice post fazal.....
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Old March 10, 2006, 09:54 AM
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Mashud is still the best wicket keeper and one of the best wicket keeper of the world.
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Old March 10, 2006, 09:56 AM
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I must admit I wanted to see him bat.

1. He is talented. This is not a direct inclusion from the U-19 ranks. He played at Lord's not for an ODI but for Test. Did everyone forgot?

2. He is a rookie, he will make mistakes. Heck N Iqbal made same mistake twice in the first test. S Nafees made the same mistake twice in the second test. Are you guys forgetting this? Javed Omar made mistakes in chasing balls outside the stumps, once in the 1st test (off) and once in the 2nd test (leg). Bashar thought his pad was his bat how many times, grrr twice. Ash the man, not thought but thinks he can hit any ball out of the park. In that process how many times did he get out? K Mashud?? thats our entire top order batting lineup.

Mushique's shot selection and timing in the innings was not proper. And the WK took an excellent catch. Got it in his 3rd attempt. That's all is to it. Don't read too much and say he don't know how to bat etc. No one gets to play at Lord's for nothing.

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Old March 10, 2006, 10:07 AM
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Very Interesting thread opened just after failure in one test (2 innings)....
....Shouldn't you guys follow your own message.. i.e. not pulling your trigger too prematurely on 'Rahim Lovers'?
Here is Rahim's previous introduction to the Test level:
Bangladesh in England, 2005, 1st Test, Lords
Innings-1:19Runs, 56Balls
Innings-2:3 Runs, 9 Balls

I suppose we all remmeber that. But because it was his debut match... we all took it in an accepting mindset. Even after this second match... we will take him in a sympathetic mind. But these stats show his difficulties in playing this level of cricket so early. We had seen similar struggles from many of our previous youngstars also.

These are probably hints enough for fans to be patient with wishing for very young batsmen to join the National squad and meet the expectation level I suppose.

Anyway.. best of luck to Rahim. I hope he gets proper guidance and becomes a genuin asset for future BD team.

Edited on, March 10, 2006, 3:09 PM GMT, by Ahmed_B.
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Old March 10, 2006, 10:23 AM
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mafizraju, whether I should agree with the topic or not (I was one of them who consistently opposed the inclusion of Rahim). But I would leave that part aside.

what I want to talk about is attitude. Two innings does not prove anything. so, getting on the back of fans because of that does not show taste.

to me it seems like you wanted mushfiq to fail so that you can open a thread like this.

Edited on, March 10, 2006, 3:45 PM GMT, by Rubu.
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Old March 10, 2006, 11:04 AM
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I never supported Rahim's exlucsion, he is just too young for this level. Here is my plan for Mushfiqur Rahim, play him against the weak sides like Zimb or Kenya, if he scores some runs then it will boost his confidence for sure. There is no need to play him against the best at the moment, not until he is 21+. Plz don't destroy a great talent.
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Old March 10, 2006, 11:04 AM
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it is premature to judge rahim. anyone could have failed. similarly
rahim is not the ultimate yardstick to judge the other U-19s. i still believe
rahim was unnecessarily fast-tracked into a Lord's debut for non-cricketing reasons.
the performance of the U_!9's in NCL will be a better yardstick.
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