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Old March 10, 2006, 09:11 AM
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Default BD squad for kenya

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/bdesh...ry/240256.html

tapash and (nazmul) hossain dropped, but man of the moment rajib included.

Edited on, March 10, 2006, 2:12 PM GMT, by fy288.
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Old March 10, 2006, 09:15 AM
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good to see shahadat in there....... he will come in handy....... musfiq wasn't included...
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Old March 10, 2006, 09:19 AM
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Correct me if i am wrong but in the forthcoming ODI will it be the first time that MASRAFE, RASEL & RAJIB play together if all 3 get chosen?

my team ODI:

OMAR
IQBAL
BASHAR
ASHRAFUL
AFTAB
KAPALI
MASHUD
RAFIQUE
MORTAZA
RASEL
RAJIB
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Old March 10, 2006, 09:19 AM
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I hope there is no substituting in this series. So we will have 4 bowlers (mash, rasel, rajib/rana, rafique), an alrounder (aftab) and ash for few overs.
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Old March 10, 2006, 09:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by fy288
Correct me if i am wrong but in the forthcoming ODI will it be the first time that MASRAFE, RASEL & RAJIB play together if all 3 get chosen?

my team ODI:
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IQBAL
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N Iqbal is not in the 14 man roster.
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Old March 10, 2006, 09:23 AM
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Correct me if i am wrong but in the forthcoming ODI will it be the first time that MASRAFE, RASEL & RAJIB play together if all 3 get chosen?

my team ODI:
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IQBAL
...
N Iqbal is not in the 14 man roster.
UR RIGHT!!!

Shahriar Nafis!!!

cheers mate!!!
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Old March 10, 2006, 09:48 AM
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it's a good team.
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Old March 10, 2006, 09:58 AM
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Good team, but in my opinion, we do not need shahadat in the ODI 11 right now, given that Mashrafee is fit.

The reason is, I don't think selectors will be so much stupid to keep aftab even out of the one day 11. that means, we do not need a fourth pacer. Rasel and shahadat has to fight for the 3rd place (actually 2nd because aftab is fixed for the 3rd place).

in ODI Rasel's nagging line and length will be much more effective. And, given the weakness of kenyan team in spin, we must have a 2nd spinner. so, in my calculation, shahadat stays out. now, I don't know if supersub rule will be taken off by the end of this month or not. In case, we still have it, we would want to have an extra batsman as our supersub. so, here is my team:
  1. Shahrian Nafis
  2. JO
  3. Rajin Saleh
  4. Ashraful
  5. Habibul Bashar
  6. Aftab Ahmed
  7. Khaled masud
  8. Manjural Rana
  9. Mohammad rafique
  10. Mashrafee Mortaza
  11. Syed Rasel
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Old March 10, 2006, 10:02 AM
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Where is M.Rahim ????
Our great selector and Co. may consider to let him play an ODI at Bogra.
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Old March 10, 2006, 10:03 AM
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"the weakness of kenyan team in spin," Excuse me, I don't believe that they're weak in spin. If any team among Bangladesh and Kenya is weak in spin, it is us, not them.

Then again, if I'm wrong (if they're really weak in spin) then we should have had Enamul Haque Junior in the team, not one-man-show Abdur Razzak, who played well only in his first tournament (Asia Cup) long time back.

Edited on, March 10, 2006, 3:06 PM GMT, by fwullah.
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Old March 10, 2006, 10:10 AM
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limon, as I said many times in many other threads before, M. Rahim is not ready for internation level. He will lead the way of banglades h cricket in the next several years, but that is not going to start until about 2 years from now.

FW, have you seen the scorecard of recently concluded Kenya Zim series? Who got most of the wickets from Zim side?

sorry, your logic does not make any sense. even if we are weak at spin, we are not facing our OWN spinners. even if we are weaker then kenyans in spin, we still need to use spin as our attack because kenayans are worse playing spin than pace.

"the weakness of kenyan team in spin", the comparison is between spin and pace. we and them does not have anythig to do with it.
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I also think that Nafees Iqbal should have been at least in the 14-man squad, just as a backup option to Shahriar Nafees.

Remember, Shahriar Nafees has not played against Zimbabwe or have not been in a position where we should win a game, Nafees Iqbal has, recently, and he did pretty well, even though he was out scoring just 50s in the ODI series vs. Zimbabwe.

if my fears become right, if Shahriar Nafees fails, then we will have no choice but to to open the innings with Javed Omar and Md. Rafique, or Javed Omar and Md. Ashraful.

And in that case, in my opinon, we should not experiment that much in such a crucial series, where we have no choice but to win.
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Old March 10, 2006, 10:13 AM
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I agree with you fwullah, the weakness in spin in our team not kenya. Let see how it goes.
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Old March 10, 2006, 10:17 AM
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"FW, have you seen the scorecard of recently concluded Kenya Zim series? Who got most of the wickets from Zim side?"

If you'd remember, there was a time when we used to get bowled out off Zimbabwean part time spinners like Grant Flower.

Besides, I haven't seen the Kenyans batting for a long time now, so I wouldn't be able to say whether they're worse at playing spin than pace or not, but I do know the limitations of our own bowlers, and Abdur Razzak is NOT THE MAN.

Just one 3-wicket hawl against a side like Hong Kong does not make Abdur Razzak the second best One Day spinner of Bangladesh after Rafique.
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Old March 10, 2006, 10:22 AM
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BESIDES, WE ARE THE TEAM THAT HAS WON AGAINST KENYA ONLY ONCE IN 7 GAMES (or, is that in 8 games?), SO WE CANNOT AFFORD TO THINK LIKE THEY'RE WEAK IN SPIN THAN PACE etc., etc.

The main thing is that we have to win, with whatever resources we have, no matter what.

It is us whose back is against the wall, not theirs.

Let me check whether our spinners have at all performed well against the Kenyans earlier.
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Old March 10, 2006, 10:26 AM
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Bangladesh v Kenya: ODI 4wI for Bangladesh

Based on all matches up to and including
ODI #2347: South Africa v Australia at Port Elizabeth, Australia in South Africa 3rd ODI, 5 Mar 2006


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Hasibul Hossain 4-56 Dhaka 1998/99



Bangladesh v Kenya: ODI 4wI for Kenya

Based on all matches up to and including
ODI #2347: South Africa v Australia at Port Elizabeth, Australia in South Africa 3rd ODI, 5 Mar 2006


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AY Karim 5-33 Nairobi (Gym) 1997/98
MA Suji 4-24 Nairobi (AK) 1997/98
M Sheikh 4-36 Dhaka 1998/99
MO Odumbe 4-38 Johannesburg 2002/03


Contributed by StatsGuru (stats@cricinfo.com)


From the above stats, taken from Cricinfo, it is the Kenyan spinners who have always performed than Bangladeshi spinners (3 spinners + 1 pacer for Kenya vs. 1 pacer for Bangladesh) who have best bowling figures.
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Old March 10, 2006, 10:31 AM
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well I would definately go with two spinners..... plus kapali should do the trick for us this time.... so here is my team

Rajin Saleh
Shahriar Nafees
Aftab Ahmed
Mohammad Ashraful
Habibul Bashar
Alok Kapali
Khaled Masud
Manjarul Islam Rana
Mohammad Rafique
Mashrafee Mortaza
Syed Rasel

Yeah I know... Javed Omar is not there... I think its time we should move on..... atleast against Kenya we should be a little more aggresive....
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Old March 10, 2006, 10:32 AM
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Bangladesh v Kenya: Most ODI Wickets

Based on all matches up to and including
ODI #2347: South Africa v Australia at Port Elizabeth, Australia in South Africa 3rd ODI, 5 Mar 2006


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M Balls Mdns Runs Wkts Av
AY Karim Kenya 6 318 8 173 12 14.41
M Sheikh Kenya 6 250 1 160 12 13.33
Hasibul Hossain Bangladesh 6 293 2 280 10 28.00
SO Tikolo Kenya 7 218 0 150 10 15.00
MO Odumbe Kenya 7 314 1 227 8 28.37
MA Suji Kenya 7 288 3 172 8 21.50
Khaled Mahmud Bangladesh 5 246 2 169 7 24.14
Mohammad Rafique Bangladesh 7 351 0 311 7 44.42
TM Odoyo Kenya 7 264 5 170 6 28.33
Enamul Haque Bangladesh 4 234 0 164 4 41.00
Sanwar Hossain Bangladesh 1 60 0 49 3 16.33
RW Ali Kenya 1 42 1 20 1 20.00
Aminul Islam Bangladesh 5 42 0 50 1 50.00
Aminul Islam jnr Bangladesh 1 30 1 33 1 33.00
Manjural Islam Bangladesh 1 42 0 30 1 30.00
Morshed Ali Khan Bangladesh 2 78 1 54 1 54.00
Naimur Rahman Bangladesh 3 120 2 85 1 85.00
CO Obuya Kenya 1 54 0 40 1 40.00
Shafiuddin Ahmed Bangladesh 2 66 0 45 1 45.00
AO Suji Kenya 5 96 1 69 1 69.00
Tapash Baisya Bangladesh 1 48 1 22 1 22.00


Contributed by StatsGuru (stats@cricinfo.com)


In the above stats also, you've seen that Hasibul Hossain, and Khaled Mahmud are ahead than Md. Rafique. And the top two bowlers in that list is the two Kenyan spinners - Asif Karim and Md. Sheikh. The 3rd is the top Bangladeshi bowler - a pace bowler Hasibul Hossain, and the 4th is a part time seamer (he also used to bowl spin sometimes) is Steve Tikolo and the 5th is Maurice Odumbe, yet another Kenyan spinner. And then on no. 6 is a Kenyan pacer Martin Suji, 6 is our very own Sujon and Md. Rafique, whom we think of as our best spinner now, is at number 7!

Then who do you think is good in playing spin, especially among these two countries? I am sorry if I sound rude, but I have grown up watching Bangladesh - Kenya matches for ages and Bangladesh losing in every match but one, when we went into a match thinking that we're gonna win this one, and then we lost.
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Old March 10, 2006, 10:38 AM
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we haven't played them in four years..... lets forget about old stats... most of these batsmen never played kenya and it doesn't really mean anything to them....... plus they won't play asif karim or mohammad sheikh this time..... we are way better than kenya...... yeah both on pace and spin..... the only thing they have is Tikolo... sorry but I am not sure why we are worrying about them...... if we can play upto our potential, they can't beat us..... so lets just worry about us
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Old March 10, 2006, 10:39 AM
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My ODI team:

S. Nafees
Rajin
Bashar / Aftab
Ashraful
Bashar / Aftab
Alok
Pilot
Rana
Rafique
Mashrafee
Rasel

We can rest Mashrafee and Rasel separately for one match and play Shahadat in their place. This way he can play 2 matches.

And I don't want to see JO in the playing XI
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Old March 10, 2006, 10:41 AM
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I don't see any role of Razzak in the team except for Bench Warmer. I would rather see Tushar in the Team of 14. There may be more need of a batting allrounder (Tushar) than Razzak in the team of 14. He could be brutal against relatively weaker teams like Kenya.

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Old March 10, 2006, 10:47 AM
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Bad selection of shots is a regular sight of Bangladesh batsman in test cricket now a days, I've seen poor selection of our batsman for ages in all those BD-Ken matches, I particularly remember Naimur Rahman for his bad shot selection at a very crucial stage of a match, and dislike him as a player just because of our matches lost to Kenya.

I remember Sheikh Salahuddin, a right arm specialist off spinner going to a Kenya tour, and started batting well, when he should be bowling well.

I remember the frustration of Aminul Islam, Akram Khan and Minhazul Abedin while playing against Kenya - they all used to play miserably against Kenya, except one match when Akram Khan stood tall for his 60 odd runs in a Meril International ODI in Dhaka just before the World Cup 1999 when the rest of the batsman just threw their wickets away regularly to lose the match.

Most of you may have seen an India-Pakistan match very closely, and most of you must know the fate of the losing team in those matches. This series against Kenya is like a similar thing for us, if we lose this series, then the coach Whatmore, captain Bashar, or chief selector Faruque might get fired.

Now a days, we've got quite accustomed to seeing Mr. consistent Habibul Bashar and World Class spinner Md. Rafique being successful. However, I remember Habibul Bashar getting run out quite often batting at number three in Asia Cup tournaments and getting hit for sixes by Odumbe off Rafique or Enamul Haque (senior) used to be a regular occassion.

I remember our pace bowlers getting smashed by Kennedy Otieno, Steve TIkolo in the first 15 overs.

The list goes on and on, there is no counting of how many times I have seen our batsman failing against Kenya, whereas I remember the radio-commentary of Kenya scoring century opening partnerships, and scoring over 300 in an ODI, a feat that we have not been able to do yet.
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Old March 10, 2006, 10:49 AM
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Abdul Razzak is another over rated player. He was very impressive during the asia cup, but again that was the time his bowling action was under question.

since rectifying his bowling action he has done cleanly and simply nothing. well, he did pretty good in domestic league. but I suspect that his bowling action was not very clean there as well. in international level where he has to keep the action clean, he does not do anything.
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Old March 10, 2006, 10:51 AM
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painful memories...... we will make some good ones this time hopefully
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Old March 10, 2006, 10:59 AM
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On paper, we should beat Kenya 4-0, but knowing our team, I know that it won't happen. Even losing to them in just 1 match will be really really really frustrating for me, because of my own past experience of watching those matches, that were live on tv.

"most of these batsmen never played kenya and it doesn't really mean anything to them"

However, Ashraful, Javed Omar, Aminul Islam, Alok Kapali, Tushar Imran, Tapash Baisya and a few others did play against Kenya in their tour of Kenya for the Bangladesh 'A' team, and they lost pretty badly.

Here is the tour index of our 'A' team's tour to Kenya during 2002:


http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2...SH-A_IN_KENYA/
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