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Old April 1, 2006, 08:47 PM
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Default Best Current Bowling Attacks

1. Australia (McGrath, Lee, Warne, Clark, MacGill)
2. England (Harmison, Flintoff, Hoggard, Jones, Giles)
3. South Africa (Pollock, Ntini, Nel, Boje, Langeveldt)
4. Pakistan (Shoaib, Rana, Kaneria, Razzaq, Afridi)
5. India (Pathan, Sreesanth, Kumble, Harbhajan, Agarkar)
6. Sri Lanka (Vaas, Malinga, Maharoof, Muralitharan, Bandara)
7. New Zealand (Bond, Martin, Styris, Vettori, Franklin)
8. West Indies (Edwards, Powell, Bradshaw, Bravo, Best)
9. Bangladesh (Mashrafe, Rasel, Rafique, Enamul, Shahadat)

Your thoughts?

Edited on, April 2, 2006, 1:47 AM GMT, by James90.
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Old April 2, 2006, 12:51 AM
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England may have the best pace attack. But overall it is a competition between Pakistan and Australia. Australia have the edge because of McGrath
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Old April 2, 2006, 02:04 AM
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Yes, a fair bit depends on where the match is played but with the emergence of Stuart Clark and Pigeon to come back, it's hard to go past the Oz attack.

I'd include Mohammad Asif in the Pakistan attack, just edging out Rana. That's also a strong and varied lineup.

Steve Harmison is wildly over rated but FF, Jones and Hoggard are very good. Short on a spin option.

I rate the Bangladeshi attack higher than 9th., James. Syed Rasel is a real find and Mortaza and Raffy can trouble anyone.

NZ is strong at home but tested elsewhere. Their tour of SA begins soon. If Martin and Franklin can support Bond and Vettori, it should be an interesting contest.
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Old April 2, 2006, 05:58 AM
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come on, harmison, was once, the highest ranked bowler in the world, higher than b.lee or bracken etc. ever was.

he may bowl the odd wide or not be so accurate, but he deliver.

still, i wouldn't say anyone was better than the england fast bowling quartet in the ashes-at the time-they were the best.

however, if we can develop panesar, we might have an all round spin, medium, fast attack worth noticing, giles ruins it.
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Old April 2, 2006, 06:25 AM
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1. Australia (McGrath, Lee, Warne, Clark, MacGill)
2. England (Harmison, Flintoff, Hoggard, Jones, Giles)
3. South Africa (Pollock, Ntini, Nel, Boje, Langeveldt)
4. Pakistan (Shoaib, Rana, Kaneria, Razzaq, Afridi)
5. India (Pathan, Sreesanth, Kumble, Harbhajan, Agarkar)
6. Sri Lanka (Vaas, Malinga, Maharoof, Muralitharan, Bandara)
7. New Zealand (Bond, Martin, Styris, Vettori, Franklin)
8. West Indies (Edwards, Powell, Bradshaw, Bravo, Best)
9. Bangladesh (Mashrafe, Rasel, Rafique, Enamul, Shahadat)

Your thoughts?

Edited on, April 2, 2006, 1:47 AM GMT, by James90.
I would be nice to have a poll on this topic.

Anyway I will rank the teams in following order depending on bowling attacks

1. Asutralia
2. England
3. SA
4. NZ
5. Srilanka
6. Pakistan
7. India
8. Bangladesh
9. West Indies

Edited on, April 2, 2006, 11:26 AM GMT, by Miraz.

Edited on, April 2, 2006, 11:26 AM GMT, by Miraz.
Reason: spelling !
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Old April 2, 2006, 07:47 AM
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come on, harmison, was once, the highest ranked bowler in the world, higher than b.lee or bracken etc. ever was.
"was once" We're talking current attacks here.
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Old April 2, 2006, 03:20 PM
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no, donny, when u said harmi was overrated , it had an undercurrent of 'he's rubbish' from u,

but you're wrong, so i showed u stats of how good he can be.

ALSO, we have SIMON JONES! WAY BETTER THAN CRUMMY KASPA!
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Old April 2, 2006, 03:22 PM
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And u aussies have no bowling allrounder
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Old April 2, 2006, 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by James90
1. Australia (McGrath, Lee, Warne, Clark, MacGill)
2. England (Harmison, Flintoff, Hoggard, Jones, Giles)
3. South Africa (Pollock, Ntini, Nel, Boje, Langeveldt)
4. Pakistan (Shoaib, Rana, Kaneria, Razzaq, Afridi)
5. India (Pathan, Sreesanth, Kumble, Harbhajan, Agarkar)
6. Sri Lanka (Vaas, Malinga, Maharoof, Muralitharan, Bandara)
7. New Zealand (Bond, Martin, Styris, Vettori, Franklin)
8. West Indies (Edwards, Powell, Bradshaw, Bravo, Best)
9. Bangladesh (Mashrafe, Rasel, Rafique, Enamul, Shahadat)

Your thoughts?

Edited on, April 2, 2006, 1:47 AM GMT, by James90.
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1. Asutralia
2. England
3. SA
4. NZ
5. Srilanka
6. Pakistan
7. India
8. Bangladesh
9. West Indies

Edited on, April 2, 2006, 11:26 AM GMT, by Miraz.

Edited on, April 2, 2006, 11:26 AM GMT, by Miraz.
Reason: spelling !
Interesting the team(read India) which is 3rd in both ICC ODI and One Day ( only other country after Aus that is consitent in both the rankings..) and inchingly close to the second spot has the third worst Bowling attack ...

India's batting has to be real good to pull it up.I guess
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Old April 2, 2006, 04:01 PM
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australia
england
south africa
india/new zealand
pakistan
sri lanka
west indies/bangladesh
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Old April 2, 2006, 08:44 PM
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no, donny, when u said harmi was overrated , it had an undercurrent of 'he's rubbish' from u,

but you're wrong, so i showed u stats of how good he can be.

ALSO, we have SIMON JONES! WAY BETTER THAN CRUMMY KASPA!
No undercurrent at all, jayed. I do think he's rubbish.

Stats ? Where are the stats ?

Kasper is only there because Pigeon is unavailable. I didn't include him in my assessment.
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Old April 2, 2006, 09:39 PM
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Stats, jayed ? I'll give you stats.

You mention that Harmison "was once, the highest ranked bowler in the world, higher than b.lee or bracken etc. ever was."

I don't know how Bracken comes into this as he's not a Test bowler. He's quite useful in ODIs but has only been used in Tests when McGrath was unavailable and, more recently, because Tait was injured.

So let's have a look at comparitive numbers for Harmison and Lee.

Test career. Lee: 51 Tests for 203 wickets @ 31.21 - 3.98 wickets per Test.
Harmison: 41 Test for 159 @ 29.02 - 3.87 wickets per Test.

Very similar. Lee slightly better wickets per Test and Harmy slightly better average.

As this topic is about current attacks, let's look at the last 10 Tests for these two. Lee: 48 wickets @ 25.43 - 4.8 wickets per Test. Harmy: 30 wickets @ 41.13 - 3 per Test.

Big difference.

Bowling to the same batsmen ? Last 5 Tests against Sth. Africa. Lee: 24 wickets @ 30.79 - 4.8 wickets per Test. Harmy: 9 @ 73.2 - 1.8 per Test.

In Australia, Harmy has played 5 Tests and returned 13 wickets @ 42.7 runs per wicket. 1/86 on what is considerered to be one of the best fast bowler's wickets on Earth, the WACA in Perth.

Need I say more ?
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Old April 2, 2006, 09:47 PM
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Donny,
I advised you earlier don't argue with Jayed. He is an arrogant pom. and if you have any opportunity to read sham's signature read it. You would understand actually what I mean. Harmi is good but he is weakest link in Eng pace attack
regarding top of ICC ranking. Ranking always show current status it does not consider whether u can do it day by day. One freak season and any Tom, jack could be top of ranking. But top of ranking does not guarantee you greatness. For example Inzi or Martyn was never topper but they are modern day legend while Flower was. He is a great batsman but not a legend.
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Old April 2, 2006, 09:56 PM
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Yes, good point about the ratings.

Harmison achieved his #1 ranking with very good performances against The Windies and New Zealand - at the time ranked 8th. and 7th. on the list of Test playing nations.

As he came up against better teams his rating steadily dropped.

Let me clarify something. Steve Harmison has the physique and natural talent to be the best but (it seems) he simply doesn't know how to apply it.
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Old April 3, 2006, 01:33 AM
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Bharat, when the India attack with the exception of Kumble starts bowling out oppostion abroad in batter-friendly pitches, then they would he ranked higher. Think about it this way, the only two quality bowlers in SL and India are Murali and Kumble, and since most would rate Murali higher, hence SL would be rated higher than India. Makes sense?
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plus they have vaas, who i'd argue is better than any of the current indian quickies.
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I think you should have added Chris Gayle to Windies attack, as he's been one of the more effective bowlers for the Caribbeans in the last series.
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Old April 3, 2006, 08:54 AM
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And u aussies have no bowling allrounder
You might have noticed Australia has been dominant at #1 in Tests for quite some time and never had an allrounder.

The point is, a good team needs only 4 bowlers. We've really only used Steve & Mark Waugh, Darren Lehmann and very occasionally, Damien Martyn or Ponting maybe leading up to the new ball or just to give the others a short rest.

Recently, we've tried Shane Watson and Andrew Symonds at #6 to allow the use of 2 spinners on certain wickets. Neither could be considered as Test bowlers but they can do a job in the first hour of the new ball in helping to rotate the two quicks.
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Shahid Afridi is a great allrounder.. IMO, Pak team has the best bowling attack, but I'd replace Rana with Asif... India is probably the worst in terms of pace, if you take Kumble away who bowls faster than their pacers (lol)... but their batting is too good so they pull it off easily... I'd place BD's bowling in 9th place above India.. We'd bowl better if our batsmen performed at par.
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Bharat, when the India attack with the exception of Kumble starts bowling out oppostion abroad in batter-friendly pitches, then they would he ranked higher. Think about it this way, the only two quality bowlers in SL and India are Murali and Kumble, and since most would rate Murali higher, hence SL would be rated higher than India. Makes sense?
Not sure ,If I got it this time too

I guess the bowling attack is made up of a complete set of bowlers and not on individual brilliance , I fail to comprehend how India is doing (reasonable) good aginst all oppositions inspite of its (below mediocre attack ..occording to the above post).Remmeber India is the only country to have beaten the Aussies in Aussies (almost gave them a series scare , if not for some unlucky decisions) .

As far as SL and India is concerned , I am sorry but I thing your premise is flawed ...(remember GRE or GMAT ).

The recent ODI and Tests in India (good for both teams) with SL prooved that without a iota of doubt .

I would not say that India's attack is as good as Pak ,Auss but I would think India's attack is way ahead of SL both in terms of Tests and ODI's (remmebr the 2003 WC ,it qualifies for both of your parameters ..full of runs and outside India)

According to me India's bowling is very underarted ..as it does not have the (aging) stars as the other teams ..but the good thing abt India's attack is that it is young and has a pool to select from ...Best India had for ages

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Shahid Afridi is a great allrounder.. IMO, Pak team has the best bowling attack, but I'd replace Rana with Asif... India is probably the worst in terms of pace, if you take Kumble away who bowls faster than their pacers (lol)... but their batting is too good so they pull it off easily... I'd place BD's bowling in 9th place above India.. We'd bowl better if our batsmen performed at par.
Oh ..Oh Hatebreed ...India has take 20 wickets to win Tests ...and the bowlers (including the pacers) do it ....
You dont go to Aussies and win with spinners

If you think BD is better than India , good for you !.
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I am going to rate them out of 10: (make a change between Afridi and Asif)

1. Australia (McGrath, Lee, Warne, Clark, MacGill)
9,8,10,6,7 = 40
2. England (Harmison, Flintoff, Hoggard, Jones, Giles)
7,8,8,9,5 = 36
3. South Africa (Pollock, Ntini, Nel, Boje, Langeveldt)
8,8,8,7,5 = 36
4. Pakistan (Shoaib, Rana, Kaneria, Razzaq, Asif)
9,7,8,7,8 = 39
5. India (Pathan, Sreesanth, Kumble, Harbhajan, Agarkar)
8,7,8,7,5 = 35
6. Sri Lanka (Vaas, Malinga, Maharoof, Muralitharan, Bandara)
8,6,7,10,7 = 38
7. New Zealand (Bond, Martin, Styris, Vettori, Franklin)
8,7,7,9,7 = 38
8. West Indies (Edwards, Powell, Bradshaw, Bravo, Best)
7,6,8,6,7 = 34
9. Bangladesh (Mashrafe, Rasel, Rafique, Enamul, Shahadat)
7,7,7,7,5 = 33

So, My standing is:
Aus, Pak, SL/NZ, Eng/SA, Ind, WI, BD.
Pak's batting is weak so overall they are not there yet.
Eng, replace giles they will be fine.
India, yes, their batting line is very strong at home. Still don't know how they managed to finish 1-1 against England without Simon Jones.
I say NZ bowlers will trouble the SA'kans.

Edited on, April 3, 2006, 3:53 PM GMT, by Cats_eye.
Reason: wrong calculation
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Old April 3, 2006, 11:21 AM
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Interesting, Cats.

Probably the only one I'd question is Sth. Africa. I think Makhaya Ntini is head and shoulders above Pollock and Nel.

Mmm. I also think you've been generous to Bradshaw, rating him equal with Lee, Ntini, Bond, Vaas, Flintoff and Hoggard.
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Old April 3, 2006, 11:23 AM
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Interesting, Cats.

Probably the only one I'd question is Sth. Africa. I think Makhaya Ntini is head and shoulders above Pollock and Nel.

Mmm. I also think you've been generous to Bradshaw, rating him equal with Lee, Ntini, Bond, Vaas, Flintoff and Hoggard.
Being a longtime Pollock fan, while I hesitate to agree with you, I'm afraid I should accept the reality.

Agreed on Bradshaw there. The only thing intimidating about him is the name he shares with a WWE wrestler
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Old April 3, 2006, 11:33 AM
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More logical approah from cats_eye.

I am in line with Donny and also feel that you over rated Vettori. Rafiq should get at least 8 considering his test record. In my opinion Maharoof is not better compared to Malinga.

Anyway its a good one
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