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Old April 13, 2006, 12:02 PM
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Thumbs up Bd vs Aus : 2nd Test Strategy

i think... a little bit change in the team might help for the bd to fight strongly in the 2nd test

1. alok kapali .. should be added in the team replacing aftab...cuz he is not actually showing the promise in the tests as he showed in ODI

2. batting order in the 2nd innings... should be like this..

1. Shahriar Nafees
2. Javed Omar
3. Rajin
4. Pilot
5. Ashraful
6. Bashar
7. Kapali
8. Rafique
9. Mashrafee
10.Rajib
11.Enam

the reason i made changes in batting order and put underlines on those players simply because BD needs a solid partnership and playing with tempartment and patience...not playing too many shots...and to make the base stronger ever they did in the 2nd innings before.. so if pilot and rajin comes earlier than others..i think..its best for their team batting on 2nd innings.

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Old April 13, 2006, 12:51 PM
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Not in favor of chaning the team.

But just my observations here:

#Rajin/Bashar/Pilot/S. Nafees are good players of spin
#Aftab & Ash are probably the worst players of spin in currently in the team... so they probably should bat higher up the order when they can face the Pacer's spells.
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Old April 13, 2006, 01:16 PM
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I don't approve of changing the existing combination. Also, I see little fault in the batting order. Bashar is our best batsman and he deserves to be at the #3 spot. Historically, Pilot hasn't been successful batting too far up the order. He is more of a crisis man. He didn't click in the 1st test, but that doesn't mean he won't in future. After all, lower middle order is where he has been effective the most.
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Old April 13, 2006, 03:17 PM
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I am very dissapointed with Pilot's batting - 1st and 2nd innings - both. Is it time to replace Pilot with Mushfique?
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Old April 13, 2006, 03:26 PM
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Strategy doesn't always have to do with changing the team. Next thing Bangladesh should have on the Table to think about is their "Second Innings" not the team as a whole.
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Old April 13, 2006, 03:29 PM
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Play a One Day type second innings, that that doesn't mean play wild Slog Sweeps but bring the tempo up a little more.
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Old April 13, 2006, 03:31 PM
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In second test we really need to play positive, play some shots as S. Nafees did but definitely not like Aftab. We should allow the aussies to dominate with some quick runs. We need to be positive otherwise the same thing will repeat.
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Old April 13, 2006, 03:53 PM
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Inspite of all we did this test the real 'test' of character of our cricketers would be in the next game. Even after dominating the best team in the world for long periods the scorecards will show the cold facts...australia won by 3 wickets. The critics and detractors of bangladesh cricket would still say that day 1 and 2 was a culmination of aussies getting acclimatised, tiredness and complacency.
Now if we can play our best game and perform consistently at Chittagong it would do a world of good to our claims of having crossed a threshold. Two of our best batsmen ashraful and aftab failed in both innings this time. Together wilth bashar and nafees if thos two play responsibly we can again pile up a 350+ total and put the australians under pressure.
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Old April 13, 2006, 04:00 PM
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I am very dissapointed with Pilot's batting - 1st and 2nd innings - both. Is it time to replace Pilot with Mushfique?
What did you see in mushfiq. he is just a kid. he has a lot to learn. australia will kill his confidence in the field. He should not be called to keep in next 2 years. cause keeping and batting will be too much for him, and we don't want to waste another talent.

Pilot is still the best in his position. Its our top order batsmen who made mistakes and we are talking about pilot's exclusion.
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Old April 13, 2006, 05:35 PM
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Not in favor of chaning the team.

But just my observations here:

#Rajin/Bashar/Pilot/S. Nafees are good players of spin
#Aftab & Ash are probably the worst players of spin in currently in the team... so they probably should bat higher up the order when they can face the Pacer's spells.
Ashraful is the best spin player. Aftab is the worst spin player. period.
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Old April 14, 2006, 11:06 AM
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lot of posts i read from u guys..but just wanna tell u one thing...i didn't say anything about the 1st innings batting..talking about 2nd innings ...u know why..cuz the same order we followed from the 1st test till the last test and what was the result? 90 runs average ! anyway ... that's why they should do a little experiment with the order..and put a batsman who got tempartment in the top order rather than those batsman who likes to play shots without judging the ball and get out !! so bear in those points in my mind...my keypoint is 2nd innings batting..and to promote rajin and pilot as top order batsman respectively !
we should be creative about the strategy ...we got the talent but not the application..that's the main problem we have..otherwise..we have already seen what we can do ...
all the best for the bd in the 2nd test...

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Old April 14, 2006, 11:17 AM
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Aftab stays. What we can do though is to let him bat up the order. He is clearly more comfortable against pace bowling and number 3 will be a better option for him. Yeah I know Bashar has been so successful in number 3 but bashar is also good against spin and can play down the order. We need an experienced batsman down the order and bashar can provide us just that. By letting Aftab bat at number 3, he can get used to the wicket, get some runs under his belt before he needs to face the spin from Mcgill. I don't think that will happen though but thats my suggestion. So the batting order is:
Javed Omar (Unfortuately he stays)
Shahriar Nafees
Aftab Ahmed
Habibul Bashar
Mohammad Ashraful
Rajin Saleh (Rajin has the temperament to handle pressure and value his wicket a lot and thus will do better at number 6 than Aftab)
Khaled Masud
Mohammad Rafique
Mashrafee Mortaza
Shahadat Hussain
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Old April 14, 2006, 11:54 AM
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Ashraful is the best spin player. Aftab is the worst spin player. period.
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Old April 14, 2006, 11:55 AM
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i am against any changes in the team, even in batting order (i.e. javed, nafees, bashar, rajin, ashraful, aftab, mashud). although ashraful has shown weaknesses against spin bowling, let's not forget that he is the best reader of murali in the world. so if he's failing, it's because he hasn't learnt to be consistent. however, it could be his weakness agaist leg spin as well, and i can't say much since i haven't watched the last game.

strategy for the 2nd test: bat bat and bat...

and bat

and bat

and bat

once we can do that, our bowlers know what to do.
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Old April 14, 2006, 12:02 PM
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Play a One Day type second innings, that that doesn't mean play wild Slog Sweeps but bring the tempo up a little more.
Why? did Australia play like that in that wicket? What was their runrate? anything close to ODI? I say play as the situation allows you to play. I don't want to see bashar walking towards the crease while trying to play ODI type cricket (check out the runrate at that time) in the second innings.
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Old April 14, 2006, 12:28 PM
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Why? did Australia play like that in that wicket? What was their runrate? anything close to ODI? I say play as the situation allows you to play. I don't want to see bashar walking towards the crease while trying to play ODI type cricket (check out the runrate at that time) in the second innings.
BINGO !! exactly the same thing i wanna tell u guys...and that's why i did say about that change in the order...think when bd batting in 2nd innings and losing 6/85 runs then either pilot and rajin or may be pilot and rafiq takes the pressure and make it say around 130/140 and got out ! what's the point...just because of the pressure they can't even concerntrate in the lower order...now my point is..if these batsman in the 2nd innings get promotion in the order...they will play with the situation and build a score cuz they don't have to take the pressure that..oh no..we donn have any batsman left..so the change in score suppose 130-140/4 ..something like that when they got out and they will feel that ..ok now we have bashar we have ashraful we have alok or aftab who can contribute...which will eventually give us better result ..better average in the 2nd innings batting.. at least i can bet we can do 50 more runs..if we follow this kind of strategy...

hope u understand what i wanted to say...

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Old April 14, 2006, 12:39 PM
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Why? did Australia play like that in that wicket? What was their runrate? anything close to ODI? I say play as the situation allows you to play. I don't want to see bashar walking towards the crease while trying to play ODI type cricket (check out the runrate at that time) in the second innings.
ODI style cricket doesn't necessarily mean high RR. In the second innings if the team is leading by a good margin then the opposition is likely to implement a more defensive, near ODI style field, especially when a batsman gets little set. Then one can't rely too much on bad deliveries and boundaries to score runs. This situation demands more reliance on singles/couples and frequent rotation of strike, just like ODI

This is what Australia did in their 2nd innings.
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Old April 14, 2006, 12:42 PM
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Not in favor of chaning the team.

But just my observations here:

#Rajin/Bashar/Pilot/S. Nafees are good players of spin
#Aftab & Ash are probably the worst players of spin in currently in the team... so they probably should bat higher up the order when they can face the Pacer's spells.
Ashraful is the worst player of spin in our team?

Rajin was not comfortable in the 1st innings agasint McGill and Warne.
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Old April 14, 2006, 12:51 PM
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Changing in batting order might be positive for BD in 2nd Test.
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Old April 14, 2006, 01:36 PM
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Not in favor of chaning the team.
#Aftab & Ash are probably the worst players of spin currently in the team... so they probably should bat higher up the order when they can face the Pacer's spells.
Ashraful is the worst player of spin in our team?
Yes... currently (in the ongoing series) Ash is playing MacGill & Warne very poorly. Ash played Muraly with lots of skill.. but he seems to be lost against Aus spin attak. I do think he will do better up the order while Pacers are bowling. So will Aftab.
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Old April 14, 2006, 01:43 PM
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What did BD do wrong in this test?!

Oh!! It was a great fault that we lost to Aussies in the breathtaking 5th day ..... It was not right that we made 427 in the first innings .... it was not right we bowled so well .... it was not right that Shahadat gave 3 bouncers at the very end....

Come on, give me a break. The only thing that went wrong in this test is the 2nd innings batting. Now if the same batting line up and same batting order produced 427 in the first innings then why change the line-up and the order???!!! The 1st innings tell us what this same line-up and order is capable of doing. We need to find out what goes in the mind of our batsmen in the 2nd innings .... that's all.

Stop complaining after every match. I thoroughly enjoyed the test. Go Bangladesh.
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Old April 14, 2006, 02:06 PM
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I say bring in Nafees Iqbal and get rid of Aftab. Nafees Iqbal looked very promising before. Im confident that he will win matches for bangladesh sooner than later.
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Old April 14, 2006, 02:58 PM
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Yes... currently (in the ongoing series) Ash is playing MacGill & Warne very poorly. Ash played Muraly with lots of skill.. but he seems to be lost against Aus spin attak. I do think he will do better up the order while Pacers are bowling. So will Aftab.
Both times pacers took his wicket, not spinners

I didn't see his 1st innings, but in his 2nd innings he played spin fairly well (he face very few balls though)
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We don't want to give away our wickets to Macgill cheaply. 8 wickets in an innings was too much. Onething I noticed from last match that Macgill really bowls a loose delivery almost in every over. We need to be patient (ask Rajin how he does so) to play against Macgill - play good deliveries with respect and wait for the bad deliveries which he will definitely ball every now and then.

My another concern would be Branken ( as he is almost sure making the team). BD is always very bad against left arm swing bowlers. But since we have a similer kind of a bowler in our own team (russel), should not we play better this time?
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I am surprised, after watching the first test no one has said "what JO did (27 and 18) Nafees Iqbal can do better!". I mean what kind of a shot was that to get out to in the second innings....cutting a ball so close to the stumps...neither on back nor front foot...a nothing shot really...very disappointing coming from such an experienced player!
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