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Old April 28, 2006, 02:01 AM
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Default Are we walking backwards??

Australia v Bangladesh: Totals less than 150 for Bangladesh

105 Cairns2003
124 Fatullah 2006
129 Colombo (SSC)2002/03
139 Manchester2005
142 Darwin2003
147 Cairns2003

124 - 2nd worst performance by bd which means we are back to 2002 or even earlier (we scored 129 in 2002). Then too against a fully inexperienced bowling attack??? Apart from Hogg, none of those 7 bowlers are experienced in ODI bowling. It could not be acceptable even if we were playing against the 1st line AUS bowling attack.

I am really upset. All my optimistic mood of the whole serries has been f***ed by this performance and pull me down to the earth. This is soooooooo frustrating for the team, coach and the fans. How can I dream now? Eat cricket, think cricket, talk cricket will be sound funny infront of all my aussee and english friends. I am sure many of our foreign frineds will ask now, "Which way are you moving?"

Please please help me to find out an answer. I really don't know what to say after losing a match even before it gets half way mark. What else think-tank, fans, a cricket crazy nation can do to get little more respect??

It would be much more better to bring our U19 team as the national and give a fresh start in ODIs. The current team can only continue to play test matches. That should be finalized right away
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Old April 28, 2006, 02:05 AM
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Cool down. We will rise again. actually I don't have any thing to consolate you with. Just want to say, Australia did get all out 93 this year. They are not going backwards. So aren't we.
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Old April 28, 2006, 02:10 AM
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Cool down. We will rise again. actually I don't have any thing to consolate you with. Just want to say, Australia did get all out 93 this year. They are not going backwards. So aren't we.
completly agree with you.. go Bangladesh go...
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Old April 28, 2006, 02:11 AM
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Thanks Cats_eye ( I can also realize your feeling right now).
The bruital truth is, when Australia get out for 93, the cricket world take it as an accident. And when it happens for BD, the question arrises by the whole world if we are really improving.
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Old April 28, 2006, 02:12 AM
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93 all out can happen to any one on any given day.

However bd consistently provide with sub 200 scores, which Australia do not do. In fact consistantly Australia, (along with india and SA) are the three most consistent ODI batting team going around.

It's allways good to reflect back on Australias 93 vs a realy good bowling line up, insteed on focusing on what the real problems with bd cricket are.
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Old April 28, 2006, 02:20 AM
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I don't agree we are going backwards. It's just a very bad day. Started with poor umpiring and continued. Its a performance everybody would like to forget.

I beleive Bangladesh will come back strongly in the next series.
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Old April 28, 2006, 02:22 AM
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we are playing zim next? :P
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Old April 28, 2006, 02:49 AM
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Cool down. We will rise again. actually I don't have any thing to consolate you with. Just want to say, Australia did get all out 93 this year. They are not going backwards. So aren't we.
Hmmm ... not enough ... need something more ...
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Old April 28, 2006, 03:10 AM
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Old April 28, 2006, 06:40 AM
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I don't agree we are going backwards. It's just a very bad day. Started with poor umpiring and continued. Its a performance everybody would like to forget.

I beleive Bangladesh will come back strongly in the next series.
Ditto. We are definately not this bad.

This was a weird day. Everyone played like JO today. How often you see Rafique not getting off the mark after facing 10 deliveries? Just because Rajin did just as bad as JO in one match, it shouldn't mean we have to bring back JO. This is already a very demoralizing defeat. The last harm it can do is bringing back JO. Just because Rajin performed poorly doesn't mean JO would do better, especially when you see that nobody could do much better than him today.
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Old April 28, 2006, 08:04 AM
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Old April 28, 2006, 08:15 AM
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worst than that. Atleast moneky goes up 1 inches each time and slides two inches backwards, the way we played it's like going 1 inch forward and slide down 100 inches backward. These batsmen and some bowlers are worst than monkeys. They can't even bat in this track where aussies can bat. Excuse will be dead pitch. What the heck if aussies can bat for 22 overs and get the total 124, being totoally foreigner how can you guys can't play in your own field. Instead of cricketer we should send them to village to do agriculture stuff and get familiar with the "ground". What an excuse of the field and ground.
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Old April 28, 2006, 08:26 AM
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There are multiple threads to disect and criticize BD's performance. This thread is for trying to get some positives.

Bashar is really showing the boys how to bat. Starting from taking singles and getting runs. I was so critical of Bashar before this series (after the runout) but I guess he is the only true international player who have the tempartment for playing at this level. He has scored highest in the ODI series. We have learnt many things from this series.

How our pitch performs both Fatullah and Chittagong. batsmen will get use to this in future years. They will not play the rash shots.

SN is one of our corner stones, not Ashraful or Aftab (in ODI). Openning stand is so very important. We have a test batsman in Rajin (very promising). Does these help Poorfan?
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Old April 28, 2006, 09:40 AM
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Ditto. We are definately not this bad.

This was a weird day. Everyone played like JO today. How often you see Rafique not getting off the mark after facing 10 deliveries? Just because Rajin did just as bad as JO in one match, it shouldn't mean we have to bring back JO. This is already a very demoralizing defeat. The last harm it can do is bringing back JO. Just because Rajin performed poorly doesn't mean JO would do better, especially when you see that nobody could do much better than him today.
Your passion for JO gives us hope to be optimistic.
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No one showed any urgency and plan to pace their inning except for Bashar.
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Old April 28, 2006, 10:15 AM
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Jabbar's post (and signature image) says it all!
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Old April 28, 2006, 10:31 AM
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Personally, I was pleased with bashar's batting... he was the only one who showed some kind of urgency for runs... but Rajin kept slowing him down... he takes a single in the first ball and then rajin wasted the next five balls.... or rajin played the first five balls and then took single off the last ball... it was really frustating.... there was nothing in aussie bowling... they bowled with a plan though... packed the offside with six fielders and kept bowling right outside the offstump line... if rajin could've rotate the strike, we would've scored a lot more runs.... really missed shahriar nafees's batting today.... rajin is not known for over the top shots.... and today he proved he is not even smart.... maybe a better way to say it is he is not creative... he was very much predictable and played into aussies hand... they used him like they planned.... everyone understood that except rajin himself... I am not bashing him but it was really a pathetic piece of batting
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Old April 28, 2006, 12:07 PM
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Rajin played his last ODI vs. Kenya and then started playing against Australia in this series. So you can't really expect Rajin to start scoring fifties right away, especially if you consider that he was not picked for the national team for a long time in the final eleven even if he was in the 15 member team. Our next series is against Zimbabwe, but that'd be away series for us. So lets turn our focus on winning 2 away series for the first time ever. I guess Zimbabwe team will be itching to get their revenge on us in the ODI series coming up in their own backyard. We will also find it a little difficult knowing that pitches in Zimbabwe will not hlep our spinners much as it did back in January 2004 (or was it 2005?) in Bangladesh.
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Old April 28, 2006, 12:26 PM
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I have one question. Why are the batsman defending all the bowls instead of taking singles. If they try to take 4 singles per over with a 2 or a 4 that itself will produce a huge total.

Instead of defending they should try to put the balls in gaps for singles. If start defending more and more fielders will come in the inner circle and it will be more difficult to score runs.
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Old April 28, 2006, 12:29 PM
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I have one question. Why are the batsman defending all the bowls instead of taking singles. If they try to take 4 singles per over with a 2 or a 4 that itself will produce a huge total.

Instead of defending they should try to put the balls in gaps for singles. If start defending more and more fielders will come in the inner circle and it will be more difficult to score runs.
They tried their best. But failed. Then (mainly Rajin and Ash) got frustrated and tried to hit the 5 or 6 ball. Ending up with one run or out.
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Old April 28, 2006, 12:38 PM
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There are ups and downs, forwards and backwards in games. But the trick is when you go down you look down to see where you are going, same way, when you go backward, do not face forward, otherwise you will not see where you are going. Ektu atlami korlam arki. :-)
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I have one question. Why are the batsman defending all the bowls instead of taking singles. If they try to take 4 singles per over with a 2 or a 4 that itself will produce a huge total.

Instead of defending they should try to put the balls in gaps for singles. If start defending more and more fielders will come in the inner circle and it will be more difficult to score runs.
The answer is, our batsmen still are in a defensive frame of mind. Apart from Shahrier Nafees nobody plays thier proper role. Aftab is trying to get going and he has the mentality but the rest simply lack the positive mental framework.

The try to get as close as possible to the total while saving thier wicket. One could say Rafique is attacking but we need to remember that Rafiq essentially is still a specialist bowler. His batting is a bonus, not something we can or should count on.

They should look at Symond's 2nd ODI batting card and style. He took 49 singles !! and took the team to 250 from a difficult situation.
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The Australia series is over now and its been a very diasappointing end of a series which gave so much promise in the very first day of the first test match. And unfortunately in both occasions the venue was Fatullah. Now if we look back at the oneday series then we might not be very happy with the way we have played the series but on the other hand a very optimistic person might think ohh..we gave the aussies a good fight in the first and second match although the final match was a bad one. But actually are we happy with the one day performence? Have we improved at all? I just wanna look at some points thats coming in my mind right now.

1.Our top order failed in every match, most reliable one is Nafees but he did nothing to remember. Moreover he got a bad decision from the umpire in the final match. Luck was not favouring him as well. But what about Ash, Aftab? We needed their service but they failed when it was necessary. Ash did bad in the first match , played a stupid shot and got out cheaply so was axed in the next match but came back again in the final one. Still it was all the same. And this time he gave a catch to mid wicket, which was a lollypop one. Only God knows what happened to him. Aftab was simillar, did nothing in the 1st odi and didnt' play in the 2nd one came back in the final one and failed again. Played a stupid shot which caused his death. By removing Ash in the second one and bringing him back in the final odi selectors have proved that how small amount of options we have now. If anyone does seriously bad then there is no one who can replace him. Or if there is some one then we don't know whether its possible for him to replace cause we have not given that player a chance to prove himself. Anyway, players might have bad days and its normal.

2. As the top order failed then it was middle orders responsibility to make some runs to give our bowlers some sort of score to defend with. But what a pitty we failed here as well. Just look at Habibul, he played within himself its true but was it good enough? In the 2nd one day we needed to score quickly form the 35th over but he and javed failed to do so. It was necessary to hit some big ones but they didn't do that and when they tried to slog then they got themselves out. Our top order didn't click as well but thats why there is a middle order to support!There was problem with the batting order as well which is really agonising.

3. Now if we look at the 3rd one dayer then what we see? Rajin struggled a lot. He always has been busy to hit the fielder's hands rather than the gap, which is was a serious concern cause that blocked our singles. In one day cricket you have to take singles to keep the scoreboard moving but we failed here as well. The bowling attack was really weak one, aussies had the second string side playing but still we could not take singles. We failed to make 1s into 2s and 2s into 3s. running between the wicket have been poorest, Habibul was very slow. Rajin was not willing to take singles, it seemed they wanted boundary in every ball! Ridiculous. They had no proper game plan. Their batting was aimless. Their inability to take singles proved that w actually dont know how to play one day cricket. And sadly its true.

4. Some of the batsman's technique is really poor. Javed's bat twists always in his hands, only the almighty knows what Javed wants to do with the bat. He has limitations it's true so why playing some nasty looking unorthodox shots? Can't play a sweep, can't play a proper straight drive, can't play an on drive..so what can you play? Same goes for Rajin. Both of them got poor technique, very weak stance. I can't imagine they don't wanna learn. Fitness is another issue. Is Bashar fully fit to play in the international level? Power - this word does not go with him. Still I would say he has done his best.

If I continue then I will never stop. So lets stop here. The last thing I would like to say - if we conclude Ash and Aftab from the current team then it will look like the pre icc trophy team. Still we will have some good bowlers left in the team but you need good batsman to give the bowlers the chance to bowl! We have improved its true but its also true that we need to find a solution for opening position and the middle order.
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Are we walking backwards??
Nope. We are stumbling and limping, but walking forward alright.

Reminds me of আমার আল্লাগো ...




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Thanks Cats_eye ( I can also realize your feeling right now).
The bruital truth is, when Australia get out for 93, the cricket world take it as an accident. And when it happens for BD, the question arrises by the whole world if we are really improving.
So what if the rest of the world ask that? They have proven time and time again they understand hardly anything about our cricket. The reality is more importent than their illusion
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