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Old August 29, 2003, 02:38 PM
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Default Slow Bowling Terminology

Right Handed spin bowlers

Off spin / Off break:
A slow ball which turns towards the bowling hand side of the bowler after pitched. The spin is produced mostly by Fingers

For a right handed bowler, the ball will turn towards the right side of the bowler and a RHB will see the turn as Off to Leg direction.

For a left handed bowler, the ball will turn towards the left side of the bowler and a RHB will see the turn as Leg to Off direction. (See SLA below)


Leg spin / Leg break:
A slow ball which turns opposite the bowling hand side of the bowler after pitched. The spin is produced mostly by Wrist.

For a right handed bowler, the ball will turn towards the left side of the bowler and a RHB will see the turn as Leg to Off direction.

For a left handed bowler, the ball will turn towards the right side of the bowler and a RHB will see the turn as Off to Leg direction. (See SLC below)


Left Handed spin bowlers

Left-arm orthodox spin:
Left-handed Off spin. Generally called Slow Left Arm (SLA).

Since this is Off spin, the ball will turn towards the left side (bowling hand side) of the bowler and a RHB will see the turn as Leg to Off direction (just like leg spin).


Left-arm unorthodox spin:
Left-handed Leg spin. Generally called Slow Left arm Chinaman (SLC).

Since this is Leg spin, the ball will turn towards the right side (opposite the bowling hand side) of the bowler and a RHB will see the turn as Off to Leg direction (just like off spin).


Variations: These are surprise deliveries to fool the batsman.

Googly and Chinaman:
Off spin bowled with a Leg spin action and grip by a right handed bowler is called Googly.
Off spin bowled with a Leg spin action and grip by a left handed bowler is called Chinaman.

Googly bowlers are basically Right handed Leg spin bowlers and
Chinaman bowlers are basically Left handed Leg spin bowlers (Left-arm unorthodox).
Both Googly and Chinaman are called Wrong-un in Australia (and now by many as well).

Off spin bowlers produce off spin with off spin action and grip, not with leg spin action and grip. Thats why they are not called Googly or Chinaman bowlers.

A RHB will see Googly as Off spin (Off to Leg) and Chinaman as Leg spin (Leg to Off).

Arm Ball
Spin bowler sometimes make a delivery with more pace but without spin to fool the batsman.

Doosra:
Leg spin bowled with an Off spin action and grip. Doosra bowlers are basically Off spin bowlers. No separate name for right or left handed bowlers, yet!

Leg spin bowlers produce leg spin with leg spin action and grip, not with off spin action and grip. Thats why they are not called Doosra bowlers.

Top Spin / Over spin:
Ball picks up more speed and high bounce after pitched.

Flipper / Under spin:
Ball picks up more speed and low bounce after pitched.


Anyone with flash expertise for interactive explanation?

[Edited on 8-31-2003 by chinaman]
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Old August 29, 2003, 03:21 PM
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Link for this should be on the main page

Good job chainaman.
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Old August 29, 2003, 03:55 PM
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That was very helpful, thanks a lot!
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Old August 29, 2003, 05:31 PM
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Two thumbs up!!! Great work.
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Old August 29, 2003, 09:42 PM
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Default Thank You.

I appreciate your appreciation. Your passionate dedication and love to cricket and a historic day of our spinner's thunderous dominance in Peshawar encouraged me to write this small piece. Cheers.
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Old August 30, 2003, 07:12 AM
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Chinaman .. great job bhai. Would you mind if we post this on the site ?
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Old August 30, 2003, 11:39 AM
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Default good compilation.

These definitions of Chinaman 'variations' arre somewhat mixed up.

Chinaman ( SLC ) = Left Handed legspin or wrist spin. The Stock ball moves from left to right. 'Chinaman googly' is a variation of that.

When the SLC bowler bowls a wrong'un ( moves from bowlers right to left ) its called the 'Chinaman Googly'. To Explain the difference, think of this - any left-hander who bowls his legspin/wristspin ( ( from his lfet to right ) is a Chinaman Bowler. If he bowls a wrong'un (right to left) that is considered the 'Chinaman Googly'.

Famous Chinaman Bowlers :
Brad Hogg
Michael Bevan
Paul Adams
Garfield Sobers

http://www.channel4.com/sport/cricke...ng/ana_62.html

[Edited on 31-8-2003 by say]

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Old August 30, 2003, 08:06 PM
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Sorry about the delay.
Tehsin bhai, of course I wouldn't mind.
Say, I am aware of the issue, little uptight right now, will address it in a day or two.
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Old August 30, 2003, 10:31 PM
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Qoutes from Simon Huges at Channel4:
"A chinaman is actually a ball from a normal left-arm spinner that turns the opposite way to his normal delivery"

"Just to complicate things even further, they can bowl the chinaman-googly, out of the back of the hand, which spins the opposite way to the chinaman and the same way as orthodox left-arm spin"

About the first qoute: That's a variation for my take.
About the second quote: Opposite way to chinaman is the normal way of bowling according to his first quote! No need to use the term "chinaman-googly".

Seems like he himself is not that clear on this matter. Any other good and authentic reference to "chinaman-googly"?
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Old August 31, 2003, 09:30 AM
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Thanks Chinaman:

I had no idea what exactly a 'Doosra' was, although Saqlain Mushtaq was aparently an exponent of it. this clears it up.
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thats exactly what i bowl all the time, chinaman googly
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chinaman: Why don't you start writting a book on cricket? A great job in deed. Cheers.
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Good job, CM.
I think, there should be some slow-batting terminology as well. I can propose some names: Gullu Edge, Atapattu leave, Jimmy (Adams) block, Rahul defence...
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chinaman: Why don't you start writting a book on cricket? A great job in deed. Cheers.
hehhehhe...I will definitely write a book but I will have to mention lots of books as refference!
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hehhehhe...I will definitely write a book but I will have to mention lots of books as refference!

Hasan bhai...I would be the first one to buy your book! I read a book with more than 100 refferences!! I care the content most!!!

N.B. : If you want to send me a complimentary copy you are most welcome.
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For the people who wants to know more in detail about different cricket skills, BBC has a very good website on it.
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Good job, CM.
I think, there should be some slow-batting terminology as well. I can propose some names: Gullu Edge, Atapattu leave, Jimmy (Adams) block, Rahul defence...
Nice! I enjoyed it!!
Let me add some more:

Aftab Max, Jayasuriya Smash, Bashar pul, Ashraful shot(without judging the ball!)...
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he he, Ashraful is the hooker SO, it should be Ashraful hook.
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he he, Ashraful is the hooker SO, it should be Ashraful hook.
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