Abdur Razzk, so far in ODI, is a world class bowler

[Mohiul]

Just now I've gone through cricinfo ODI Bowling Records database. After that I have the proud courage to opine that he is a genuine world class bowler for Bangladesh in ODI so far as he is not yet in the test team so far. I found him in the lists of All-time Career Best Bowling Averagees, All-time Career Best Bowling Economy Rates & All-time Career Best Bowling Strike Rates. As I know by virtue of having a small knowledge on cricket that the lower these three rates the better the bowler. He is in a very early stage of his career and imazine how far he can go at the end of his career. I'm really very proud of him. Now, look at these three lists of all time.

ODI Career Best Bowling Averages


Based on all matches up to and including
ODI # 2466: West Indies v Pakistan at Karachi, 5th ODI, 16/12/2006

Qualification: 1000 balls bowled


Name Mat Balls M R W Ave Best 4w 5w SR Econ Team
J Garner 98 5330 141 2752 146 18.84 5-31 2 3 36.5 3.09 WI
AH Gray 25 1270 16 835 44 18.97 6-50 2 1 28.8 3.94 WI
SE Bond 48 2468 49 1767 92 19.20 6-19 4 3 26.8 4.29 NZ
M Hendrick 22 1248 36 681 35 19.45 5-31 2 1 35.6 3.27 ENG
LS Pascoe 29 1568 21 1066 53 20.11 5-30 4 1 29.5 4.07 AUS
AME Roberts 56 3123 76 1771 87 20.35 5-22 2 1 35.8 3.40 WI
NW Bracken 46 2287 38 1663 81 20.53 5-67 2 1 28.2 4.36 AUS
CEH Croft 19 1070 21 620 30 20.66 6-15 - 1 35.6 3.47 WI
Abdur Razzak 31 1644 23 999 48 20.81 5-33 1 1 34.2 3.64 BDESH
DK Lillee 63 3593 80 2145 103 20.82 5-34 5 1 34.8 3.58 AUS
AIC Dodemaide 24 1327 30 753 36 20.91 5-21 1 1 36.8 3.40 AUS
MA Holding 102 5473 99 3034 142 21.36 5-26 5 1 38.5 3.32 WI
RJ Hadlee 115 6182 185 3407 158 21.56 5-25 1 5 39.1 3.30 NZ
AA Donald 164 8561 101 5926 272 21.78 6-23 11 2 31.4 4.15 RSA
Saqlain Mushtaq 169 8770 66 6275 288 21.78 5-20 11 6 30.4 4.29 PAK
CM Old 32 1755 42 999 45 22.20 4-8 2 - 39.0 3.41 ENG
CG Rackemann 52 2791 51 1833 82 22.35 5-16 3 1 34.0 3.94 AUS
GD McGrath 230 11983 271 7654 342 22.38 7-15 9 7 35.0 3.83 AUS
/ICC-XI
B Lee 143 7321 98 5726 255 22.45 5-22 11 6 28.7 4.69 AUS
M Ntini 139 6942 105 5074 223 22.75 6-22 6 4 31.1 4.38 RSA
/ICC-XI
DL Underwood 26 1278 24 734 32 22.93 4-44 1 - 39.9 3.44 ENG
GI Allott 31 1528 17 1207 52 23.21 4-35 4 - 29.3 4.73 NZ
M Muralitharan 282 15397 178 9866 425 23.21 7-30 11 8 36.2 3.84 SL/ASIA-XI/ICC-XI
Sarfraz Nawaz 45 2412 49 1463 63 23.22 4-27 4 - 38.2 3.63 PAK
BA Williams 25 1203 19 814 35 23.25 5-22 1 2 34.3 4.05 AUS
Shoaib Akhtar 133 6276 87 4854 208 23.33 6-16 5 4 30.1 4.64 PAK/ASIA-XI/ICC-XI
TM Alderman 65 3371 75 2056 88 23.36 5-17 1 2 38.3 3.65 AUS
Wasim Akram 356 18186 238 11812 502 23.52 5-15 17 6 36.2 3.89 PAK
RD King 50 2603 41 1807 76 23.77 4-25 2 - 34.2 4.16 WI
Waqar Younis 262 12698 143 9919 416 23.84 7-36 14 13 30.5 4.68 PAK
SM Pollock 269 13990 270 8689 364 23.87 6-35 12 4 38.4 3.72 RSA/AFRICA-XI/ICC-XI
C Pringle 64 3314 36 2459 103 23.87 5-45 2 1 32.1 4.45 NZ
CEL Ambrose 176 9353 192 5429 225 24.12 5-17 6 4 41.5 3.48 WI
JE Taylor 25 1244 11 995 41 24.26 4-24 2 - 30.3 4.79 WI
BP Patterson 59 3050 37 2206 90 24.51 6-29 1 1 33.8 4.33 WI
EO Simons 23 1212 21 810 33 24.54 4-42 1 - 36.7 4.00 RSA
RGD Willis 64 3595 97 1968 80 24.60 4-11 4 - 44.9 3.28 ENG
GB Troup 22 1180 22 791 32 24.71 4-19 3 - 36.8 4.02 NZ
CJ McDermott 138 7461 101 5018 203 24.71 5-44 4 1 36.7 4.03 AUS
MS Kasprowicz 43 2225 28 1674 67 24.98 5-45 1 2 33.2 4.51 AUS
CR Matthews 56 3003 53 1975 79 25.00 4-10 3 - 38.0 3.94 RSA
VC Drakes 34 1640 22 1293 51 25.35 5-33 3 2 32.1 4.73 WI
DW Fleming 88 4619 62 3402 134 25.38 5-36 4 1 34.4 4.41 AUS
JN Gillespie 97 5144 79 3611 142 25.42 5-22 3 3 36.2 4.21 AUS
MF Maharoof 52 2080 24 1628 64 25.43 6-14 1 1 32.5 4.69 SL
KSC de Silva 38 1619 10 1323 52 25.44 3-18 - - 31.1 4.90 SL
SL Malinga 21 1037 11 790 31 25.48 4-44 2 - 33.4 4.57 SL
HA Gomes 83 1345 10 1045 41 25.48 4-31 2 - 32.8 4.66 WI
Naved-ul-Hasan 56 2680 22 2389 93 25.68 6-27 5 1 28.8 5.34 PAK
SK Warne 194 10642 110 7541 293 25.73 5-33 12 1 36.3 4.25 AUS/ICC-XI








ODI Career Best Bowling Economy Rate


Based on all matches up to and including
ODI # 2466: West Indies v Pakistan at Karachi, 5th ODI, 16/12/2006

Qualification: 1000 balls bowled


Name Mat Balls M R W Ave Best 4w 5w SR Econ Team
J Garner 98 5330 141 2752 146 18.84 5-31 2 3 36.5 3.09 WI
MHN Walker 17 1006 24 546 20 27.30 4-19 1 - 50.3 3.25 AUS
M Hendrick 22 1248 36 681 35 19.45 5-31 2 1 35.6 3.27 ENG
RGD Willis 64 3595 97 1968 80 24.60 4-11 4 - 44.9 3.28 ENG
RJ Hadlee 115 6182 185 3407 158 21.56 5-25 1 5 39.1 3.30 NZ
MA Holding 102 5473 99 3034 142 21.36 5-26 5 1 38.5 3.32 WI
SP Davis 39 2016 46 1133 44 25.75 3-10 - - 45.8 3.37 AUS
AME Roberts 56 3123 76 1771 87 20.35 5-22 2 1 35.8 3.40 WI
AIC Dodemaide 24 1327 30 753 36 20.91 5-21 1 1 36.8 3.40 AUS
CM Old 32 1755 42 999 45 22.20 4-8 2 - 39.0 3.41 ENG
DL Underwood 26 1278 24 734 32 22.93 4-44 1 - 39.9 3.44 ENG
CEH Croft 19 1070 21 620 30 20.66 6-15 - 1 35.6 3.47 WI
CEL Ambrose 176 9353 192 5429 225 24.12 5-17 6 4 41.5 3.48 WI
MD Marshall 136 7175 122 4233 157 26.96 4-18 6 - 45.7 3.53 WI
ARC Fraser 42 2392 57 1412 47 30.04 4-22 1 - 50.8 3.54 ENG
MR Whitney 38 2106 43 1249 46 27.15 4-34 2 - 45.7 3.55 AUS
PS de Villiers 83 4422 86 2636 95 27.74 4-27 2 - 46.5 3.57 RSA
EJ Chatfield 114 6065 155 3618 140 25.84 5-34 3 1 43.3 3.57 NZ
DK Lillee 63 3593 80 2145 103 20.82 5-34 5 1 34.8 3.58 AUS
Sarfraz Nawaz 45 2412 49 1463 63 23.22 4-27 4 - 38.2 3.63 PAK
Abdur Razzak 31 1644 23 999 48 20.81 5-33 1 1 34.2 3.64 BDESH
GF Lawson 79 4259 94 2592 88 29.45 4-26 1 - 48.3 3.65 AUS
TM Alderman 65 3371 75 2056 88 23.36 5-17 1 2 38.3 3.65 AUS
AC Dale 30 1596 34 979 32 30.59 3-18 - - 49.8 3.68 AUS
VJ Marks 34 1838 28 1135 44 25.79 5-20 - 2 41.7 3.70 ENG
JK Lever 22 1152 19 713 24 29.70 4-29 1 - 48.0 3.71 ENG
Akram Raza 49 2601 15 1611 38 42.39 3-18 - - 68.4 3.71 PAK
N Kapil Dev 225 11202 235 6945 253 27.45 5-43 3 1 44.2 3.71 IND
SM Pollock 269 13990 270 8689 364 23.87 6-35 12 4 38.4 3.72 RSA/AFRICA-XI/ICC-XI
GR Larsen 121 6368 90 4000 113 35.39 4-24 1 - 56.3 3.76 NZ
PH Edmonds 29 1534 19 965 26 37.11 3-39 - - 59.0 3.77 ENG
GR Dilley 36 2043 33 1291 48 26.89 4-23 3 - 42.5 3.79 ENG
GD McGrath 230 11983 271 7654 342 22.38 7-15 9 7 35.0 3.83 AUS/ICC-XI
P Willey 26 1031 9 659 13 50.69 3-33 - - 79.3 3.83 ENG
CA Walsh 205 10822 185 6918 227 30.47 5-1 6 1 47.6 3.83 WI
AD Mullally 50 2699 48 1728 63 27.42 4-18 2 - 42.8 3.84 ENG
M Muralitharan 282 15397 178 9866 425 23.21 7-30 11 8 36.2 3.84 SL/ASIA-XI/ICC-XI
G Miller 25 1268 20 813 25 32.52 3-27 - - 50.7 3.84 ENG
AJ Traicos 27 1524 15 987 19 51.94 3-35 - - 80.2 3.88 ZIM
Imran Khan 175 7461 124 4844 182 26.61 6-14 3 1 40.9 3.89 PAK
Wasim Akram 356 18186 238 11812 502 23.52 5-15 17 6 36.2 3.89 PAK
Rashid Khan 29 1414 33 923 20 46.15 3-47 - - 70.7 3.91 PAK
PR Reiffel 92 4732 85 3096 106 29.20 4-13 5 - 44.6 3.92 AUS
CG Rackemann 52 2791 51 1833 82 22.35 5-16 3 1 34.0 3.94 AUS
AH Gray 25 1270 16 835 44 18.97 6-50 2 1 28.8 3.94 WI
RM Hogg 71 3677 57 2418 85 28.44 4-29 5 - 43.2 3.94 AUS
CR Matthews 56 3003 53 1975 79 25.00 4-10 3 - 38.0 3.94 RSA
Maninder Singh 59 3133 33 2066 66 31.30 4-22 1 - 47.4 3.95 IND
IT Botham 116 6271 109 4139 145 28.54 4-31 3 - 43.2 3.96 ENG
P Utseya 55 2791 27 1843 36 51.19 3-35 - - 77.5 3.96 ZIM








ODI Career Best Bowling Strike Rate


Based on all matches up to and including
ODI # 2466: West Indies v Pakistan at Karachi, 5th ODI, 16/12/2006

Qualification: 1000 balls bowled


Name Mat Balls M R W Ave Best 4w 5w SR Econ Team
SE Bond 48 2468 49 1767 92 19.20 6-19 4 3 26.8 4.29 NZ
NW Bracken 46 2287 38 1663 81 20.53 5-67 2 1 28.2 4.36 AUS
B Lee 143 7321 98 5726 255 22.45 5-22 11 6 28.7 4.69 AUS
Naved-ul-Hasan 56 2680 22 2389 93 25.68 6-27 5 1 28.8 5.34 PAK
AH Gray 25 1270 16 835 44 18.97 6-50 2 1 28.8 3.94 WI
GI Allott 31 1528 17 1207 52 23.21 4-35 4 - 29.3 4.73 NZ
LS Pascoe 29 1568 21 1066 53 20.11 5-30 4 1 29.5 4.07 AUS
Shoaib Akhtar 133 6276 87 4854 208 23.33 6-16 5 4 30.1 4.64 PAK/ASIA-XI/ICC-XI
JE Taylor 25 1244 11 995 41 24.26 4-24 2 - 30.3 4.79 WI
Saqlain Mushtaq 169 8770 66 6275 288 21.78 5-20 11 6 30.4 4.29 PAK
Waqar Younis 262 12698 143 9919 416 23.84 7-36 14 13 30.5 4.68 PAK
IK Pathan 72 3513 42 2937 114 25.76 5-27 3 1 30.8 5.01 IND
T Mupariwa 19 1023 14 865 33 26.21 4-61 1 - 31.0 5.07 ZIM
M Ntini 139 6942 105 5074 223 22.75 6-22 6 4 31.1 4.38 RSA/ICC-XI
KSC de Silva 38 1619 10 1323 52 25.44 3-18 - - 31.1 4.90 SL
AA Donald 164 8561 101 5926 272 21.78 6-23 11 2 31.4 4.15 RSA
VC Drakes 34 1640 22 1293 51 25.35 5-33 3 2 32.1 4.73 WI
C Pringle 64 3314 36 2459 103 23.87 5-45 2 1 32.1 4.45 NZ
SB O'Connor 38 1487 10 1396 46 30.34 5-39 1 2 32.3 5.63 NZ
MF Maharoof 52 2080 24 1628 64 25.43 6-14 1 1 32.5 4.69 SL
AB Agarkar 174 8560 88 7219 263 27.44 6-42 9 2 32.5 5.06 IND
HA Gomes 83 1345 10 1045 41 25.48 4-31 2 - 32.8 4.66 WI
KLT Arthurton 105 1384 4 1159 42 27.59 4-31 3 - 32.9 5.02 WI
MS Kasprowicz 43 2225 28 1674 67 24.98 5-45 1 2 33.2 4.51 AUS
AR Adams 39 1729 13 1494 52 28.73 5-22 2 1 33.2 5.18 NZ
JM Anderson 53 2608 43 2115 78 27.11 4-25 5 - 33.4 4.86 ENG
SL Malinga 21 1037 11 790 31 25.48 4-44 2 - 33.4 4.57 SL
BP Patterson 59 3050 37 2206 90 24.51 6-29 1 1 33.8 4.33 WI
CG Rackemann 52 2791 51 1833 82 22.35 5-16 3 1 34.0 3.94 AUS
Z Khan 111 5513 59 4514 161 28.03 4-19 6 - 34.2 4.91 IND/ASIA-XI
Abdur Razzak 31 1644 23 999 48 20.81 5-33 1 1 34.2 3.64 BDESH
R Telemachus 37 1918 23 1565 56 27.94 4-43 1 - 34.2 4.89 RSA
RD King 50 2603 41 1807 76 23.77 4-25 2 - 34.2 4.16 WI
BA Williams 25 1203 19 814 35 23.25 5-22 1 2 34.3 4.05 AUS
DW Fleming 88 4619 62 3402 134 25.38 5-36 4 1 34.4 4.41 AUS
DS Lehmann 117 1793 3 1445 52 27.78 4-7 1 - 34.4 4.83 AUS
Mohammad Sami 78 3866 38 3169 111 28.54 5-10 3 1 34.8 4.91 PAK
DK Lillee 63 3593 80 2145 103 20.82 5-34 5 1 34.8 3.58 AUS
DS Mohanty 45 1996 21 1662 57 29.15 4-56 1 - 35.0 4.99 IND
GD McGrath 230 11983 271 7654 342 22.38 7-15 9 7 35.0 3.83 AUS/ICC-XI
CK Langeveldt 34 1550 16 1262 44 28.68 5-62 1 1 35.2 4.88 RSA
HK Olonga 50 2059 13 1977 58 34.08 6-19 2 2 35.5 5.76 ZIM
S Lee 45 1706 14 1245 48 25.93 5-33 1 1 35.5 4.37 AUS
CRD Fernando 99 4230 32 3734 119 31.37 4-48 1 - 35.5 5.29 SL
A Flintoff 105 3912 49 2867 110 26.06 4-14 4 - 35.5 4.39 ENG/ICC-XI
M Hendrick 22 1248 36 681 35 19.45 5-31 2 1 35.6 3.27 ENG
CEH Croft 19 1070 21 620 30 20.66 6-15 - 1 35.6 3.47 WI
AME Roberts 56 3123 76 1771 87 20.35 5-22 2 1 35.8 3.40 WI
KD Mills 64 3167 48 2439 88 27.71 4-14 3 - 35.9 4.62 NZ
AJ Hall 73 2593 23 1970 72 27.36 4-23 2 - 36.0 4.55 RSA




source cricinfo database

[Spitfire_x86]

Can you guys please stop fooling yourselves?

[BangladeshFan]

wow he is among guys like garner, holding, saqlain, murali )

i wonder how will his figures look like if u deduct the minnows zim, kenya and scotland out of it.

[Spitfire_x86]

Originally Posted by BangladeshFan
i wonder how will his figures look like if u deduct the minnows zim, kenya and scotland out of it.

Then he averages 35.0. Not really bad for a SLA in ODI, but he didn't play many matches either.

[Rubu]

even more, deduct those matches that he played with a flawed action.

he has everything to prove, and nothing has been proven

[zakirc]

Razzak is good ... no doubt about it. With the success he got this year, lets hope he builds up some confidence to bowl tight against the better teams.

So sad he failed to get 5 wickets today .... he is the 3rd highest wicket getter for 2006 anyway.

[zakirc]

Originally Posted by Rubu
even more, deduct those matches that he played with a flawed action.

he has everything to prove, and nothing has been proven

All this talk about flawed action etc. sound to me like the WMD Iraq had before the war :p:p ... How come only the good Sub Continent bowlers have flawed action and Australian or English bowlers with identical or even more flawed actions never get called??

We have seen this in ESPN when specialists analyzed Murali's actions and compared with other spinners .... it was proven that according to the prevailing law .... most spinners had flawed actions.

[BanglaCool]

No doubt he has done wonderfully, given the opportunity. However, he has a long way to go. Please don't jump into conclusion, yet.

[Ahmed_B]

Well... I guess the Razzak vs. Rafiq Thread discussed the ins and outs of Razzak's stats and yes.... he still has got lots of things to prove in coming years. He might become our best replacement for Rafiq in time.. but he also has to prove that he has got the fighting attitude that Rafiq has got by-born.

[uss01]

We'll see how he does when players from big teams go after him. How he handles the pressure.

Originally Posted by Ahmed_B
Well... I guess the Razzak vs. Rafiq Thread discussed the ins and outs of Razzak's stats and yes.... he still has got lots of things to prove in coming years. He might become our best replacement for Rafiq in time.. but he also has to prove that he has got the fighting attitude that Rafiq has got by-born.

[IanW]

Ahem.

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/ci/co...ry/272714.html

Bird reported for suspect bowling action
Cricinfo staff
December 15, 2006

Umpires have taken notice of Aaron Bird's bowling action © Getty Images

Aaron Bird, the New South Wales fast bowler, has been reported for a dubious bowling action and faces a ban from state cricket unless tests prove his action is legal. Bird will be analysed by the Australian Institute of Sport biomechanics laboratory in Canberra, however he is still eligible to play for his state until the results of the testing are known.

[pagol-chagol]

Its hard to consider him as a world class bowler, because its hard to remember a game where he wasn't playing the minnows or he wasn't chucking. However, I think, there is a way around this lack of data. We have seen that Razzaq is bowling better than our old man Rafiq. This is not the same Rafiq as our world class Rafiq who was considered, not too long ago, in the same catagory of Giles and Vettori. Now, we all remember that Rafiq, don't we? How does Razzaq compare to that Rafiq?

[akabir77]

Its like I have a score table printed and put on the wall of my cube where bd is second and Australia is 3rd (after the win from the NATWEST series) and I show that to ever one saying look we were on top of Australia at least for a day or two...

I see no problem as long as you don't believe your self that he is truly that good.

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by pagol-chagol
Its hard to consider him as a world class bowler, because its hard to remember a game where he wasn't playing the minnows or he wasn't chucking. However, I think, there is a way around this lack of data.We have seen that Razzaq is bowling better than our old man Rafiq. This is not the same Rafiq as our world class Rafiq who was considered, not too long ago, in the same catagory of Giles and Vettori. Now, we all remember that Rafiq, don't we? How does Razzaq compare to that Rafiq?

Looks like you have already answered (in green) your own question (in red)

[gravitY]

I'd hold my breath until he plays more games against giants, before i come to a conclusion on this issue.

[Kabir]

Just saying that he hasn't played big teams doesn't take away all his credit. He has proved his talent against the minnows, now is time to try the big guys. If the big guys fail, then Razzak can shut a few people's mouth. If he fails, then I'll shut my mouth.

[arafath79]

Originally Posted by Kabir
Just saying that he hasn't played big teams doesn't take away all his credit. He has proved his talent against the minnows, now is time to try the big guys. If the big guys fail, then Razzak can shut a few people's mouth. If he fails, then I'll shut my mouth.

I agree with you.

[pagol-chagol]

Originally Posted by Fazal
Looks like you have already answered (in green) your own question (in red)

Actually, I said he's playing better than the old man Rafiq(the current Rafiq). I am asking if he is playing better than the old Rafiq (when he was younger and considered world class).

[Fazal]

Originally Posted by pagol-chagol
Actually, I said he's playing better than the old man Rafiq(the current Rafiq). I am asking if he is playing better than the old Rafiq (when he was younger and considered world class).

Well then Good Luck!!! Now you are talking about comparing two players performace based on two different time-frame. In my opinion it will always be vague and suject to individual interpretetion and liking. Its like trying to compare like is Boycott is better or Gavasker is better during their best.

[pagol-chagol]

Originally Posted by Fazal
Well then Good Luck!!! Now you are talking about comparing two players performace based on two different time-frame. In my opinion it will always be vague and suject to individual interpretetion and liking. Its like trying to compare like is Boycott is better or Gavasker is better during their best.

Right. I am looking for subjective opinions from people who understand cricket well.

[Mohiul]

Razzzak is the first BD player to be in LG ICC Best-Ever ODI Bowling Ratings. Currently his ratings is 99.

[Shafin]

yahoo!

Sakib will overtake him in the future,just wait and see.

[ahms]

Positive side is so far he is among the best in the world. And negetive side is if he fails keep up the standard in future we will not find him in all time list/lists. We only can brand him among the best at the end of his career.

[Tigers_eye]

World Class?? We will soon find out wouldn't we? No where to hide now. Remind me after the SL away series. He would be playing in those doctored pitches.

For any bowler to be labeled as world class he must get a minimum of 200 wkts (any form of the game).

[nafees_mashrafee]

Originally Posted by Rubu
even more, deduct those matches that he played with a flawed action.

he has everything to prove, and nothing has been proven

u disgust me. u make me sick. i know u dislike abdur razzak, becasue u love rana, but u can't take away what abdur razzak has done. this is a public forum , where we have international visitors visitng all the time, and here u are calling someone from ur own country a chucker. ppl like u don't care what ppl think of bangladesh as long as u get what u want. ppl like u are the biggest traitors. FYI: Abdur razzak played only a very few matches with flawed action. i'm not saying he is a world class bowler. i'm not saying he is the best we've got, but u don't have to make a bangladeshi player look bad infront of international visitors just becasue u love rana.