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Old August 22, 2007, 06:38 PM
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Its more than that fight. Its a stance against army's bullying. For the past months the army opened up a camp in DU gym,denying students the use of their gym. They also needed permission to play in soccerfields that belong to them for no apparent reasons. That fight was just an uchila.
You know, it's not as if students in other countries don't get upset with either the government or university administration. But they seem to be able to demonstrate that by sit-ins and civil gatherings, not by destroying the public's property, injuring innocent bystanders, and invading people's homes. Sorry, nothing justifies that, far less not being able to use the gym or requiring permission to play soccer. Police-r shathe raag, Army-r shathe raag, bujhlam. Kintu public ki dosh korechhe? Public-er upor ei otyachar keno?

As for those of you who try to conflate this with student movements during the Bhasha Andolon or 1971, take a moment to realize how ridiculous that would sound before posting.

I'm with SohelNR and chinaman on this issue. And I think the "students" responsible for this should be arrested, tried, and if found guilty, sentenced to a life of hard labour without parole, and the keys tossed away. Keep our academic institutions for students who actually want an education.
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You know, it's not as if students in other countries don't get upset with either the government or university administration. But they seem to be able to demonstrate that by sit-ins and civil gatherings, not by destroying the public's property, injuring innocent bystanders, and invading people's homes. Sorry, nothing justifies that, far less not being able to use the gym or requiring permission to play soccer. Police-r shathe raag, Army-r shathe raag, bujhlam. Kintu public ki dosh korechhe? Public-er upor ei otyachar keno?

As for those of you who try to conflate this with student movements during the Bhasha Andolon or 1971, take a moment to realize how ridiculous that would sound before posting.

I'm with SohelNR and chinaman on this issue. And I think the "students" responsible for this should be arrested, tried, and if found guilty, sentenced to a life of hard labour without parole, and the keys tossed away. Keep our academic institutions for students who actually want an education.
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BBC probaho from yesterday (Aug 22)... analysis of yesterday's news
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/c...nbram=1&nbwm=1

You get a sense why Hawkers join the protest at Nilkhet and New Market area...
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No! It's not all rumour. The Army is beating the students.
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Old August 23, 2007, 10:08 AM
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Sabotage snapped internet link, overseas phones: BTTB
International telephony, internet and private international data circuits went down when the submarine cable link was "sabotaged" at 4am Thursday, a senior BTTB official confirmed. It cut off Bangladesh from the rest of the world and intensified panic and confusion at home and abroad amid widespread violence across much of the country for days. Bangladesh Telegraph and Telephone Board (BTTB) has been trying to restore the country's only terrestrial overseas communication lifeline. "This underground transmission link has been chopped at two different locations of Chunoti under Lohagara upazila 79 kilometres from Chittagong towards Cox's Bazar," BTTB's divisional engineer Aminur Rahman told bdnews24.com Cox's Bazar correspondent Ansar Hossain. Corrected
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Above two news shows typical sign of military dictatorship.
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They deserve it. It was a staged violence. Students who have been taken are involved with politics as we all know. Using a small issue to create a big caos, that itself will tell you how it was staged. After the first day I was talking about it with my friends and family. What happened on the second day was predicted by me on the first day. Most of these are political goons who have also somehow involved regular students. I predict that almost all of these students were supporters of BNP, BAL, JP or some other political party, all of them have now got together against these government.

Those who are involved in this violence must be arrested and must be prosecuted if found guilty. BTW I thought campus politics was banned. How did it start then? Were the profs. involved in initiating it again? Bunch of losers.
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Above two news shows typical sign of military dictatorship.
We cannot cry for democracy when we don't have any idea what it is. I will take this dictatorship any day with a smiling face.

This incident has been blown out of proportion by those thugs. They have nothing to do with studies or university. None of them are students. Under the current govt. they were out of job as there were no big political activities for a long time. They just to had to stretch their legs.

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They deserve it. It was a staged violence.
Ehsan, who deserves it? the angry mob (or say students) who vandalized public properties and made the situation worse? or anyone who has got the student ID? or in particular every Dhaka University student?

Can you clarify a bit?

Now, army is raiding student mess/hostel and brutally assaulting them. If they find any Dhaka University student, they are treated with batons. Is it justified?

Where was government intelligence (or say Army/Rab intelligence) when Goons/Thugs were organizing the mob/destructive movement? Why they failed to intervene earlier? They have got all the technology to intercept phone calls (and its lawful), e-mails and other means of communication.

The overall situation is blown out of proportion, and political parties used to make the situation unpleasant for the army backed CTG, but that cannot hide the cascades of mistakes and blatant failures of the government in tackling the situation.

We must call spade a spade, whoever is responsible should be held responsible and brought to the justice.
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But what strikes me from listening to BBC World Service's Probhati is that there are genuinely people who have joined this violence to vent their frustration and how they have been disaffected by the doings of the Caretaker Government. I'm referring to the hawkers not allowed to sell on the footpaths, or the slum dwellers evicted from the slums, and now facing the high prices of foodstuff. Perhaps to them this protest was to portray their struggle for day-to-day survival.

On the other hand he did bring up how the CTG has evicted them and is instead doing "share bazar". I dont buy that they have not been instigated by political quarters with such logic. And it shows how "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing". These people have always been the victims... of politicians & politics exploiting them, and then later of the law taking its course.
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Ehsan, who deserves it? the angry mob (or say students) who vandalized public properties and made the situation worse? or anyone who has got the student ID? or in particular every Dhaka University student?

Can you clarify a bit?
Those who broke the law. Those who were not students but part of the violence. Those who were students but are associated with some political parties and were influenced by the political party leaders (whoever it may be) to carry out these violence. And no, it is not just limited to DU but all educational institutes in the country, or lets say every part of the country.
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Those who broke the law. Those who were not students but part of the violence. Those who were students but are associated with some political parties and were influenced by the political party leaders (whoever it may be) to carry out these violence. And no, it is not just limited to DU but all educational institutes in the country, or lets say every part of the country.
From Aziz Market incident, those who had student ID cards are the culprits, no matter they were involved in violence or not. Why on earth they have to go to the university, when they could serve the country joining the proud BD army?
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I believe they would not be kicked without no reason. They must have been involved with something. If not then its sad that they became the victims. They should have gone away from the troubled sites. Lets accept the fact that its not always possible to be perfect during such situations. Our country is already under the flood water, and situations like this would not help the cause of recovery.

To me, now all that matters is catching the real culprits and sentencing them to severe punishments.
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Let me chip in for a moment to point out a thing or two. People has been suffering, they suffered in the past and their suffering will not end anytime soon. Nobody knows any magic. If we think that the CTG and army will end the sufferings and bring in joy overnight, we are living in fantasy.

We have bad people in politics, business, hospitals, army, offices, classes everywhere and each of those bad section affect us in its own way. Rotten doctors do not necessarily affect the same way the evil politics do.

If we do not stop the evil politics, our sufferings will continue indefinitely. Current CTG has been trying to put a brake or atleast slow down the systemic degradation so that the sufferings may end down the road.

Police or army may continue to insult our sisters and mothers just the way the mastans, political or not, did. But if we help the CTG root out the bad guys, we might have a fare chance of joy in the distant future. Else, we go back to the stone age.

Let us just take a pause here and ask ourselves, if this CTG fails to boundle out corruptions, when we will get another realistic chance to root it out? In our life time?
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Bangladesh remains shut down

Violence has subsided in Bangladesh's capital Dhaka after the interim government imposed an indefinite curfew to end days of rioting.

Dhaka's usually bustling streets looked largely deserted on Thursday, witnesses said.

The curfew was declared on Wednesday evening on the country's six main cities, including the capital, after one man died and scores were hurt in clashes which spread from Dhaka University to other cities.

Fakhruddin Ahmed, the country's interim head of government, in a brief televised speech late on Wednesday, said: "This is a temporary measure. The curfew will be lifted as soon as the situation improves."
The curfew cleared cities of protesters, forced residents to stay home and temporarily shut down mobile phones.

Mobile phone service was restored early on Thursday, but stores and offices remained closed, streets were empty of cars and security forces were stopping anyone out walking or taking tricycle rickshaws.

Seven journalists were arrested during the curfew, the private CSB news channel reported. United News of Bangladesh (UNB) said at least two journalists were beaten up despite showing press cards.

Protests

Violent protests began on Monday night.

Clashes had followed a troop assault on students after they protested the presence of soldiers at a football match at Dhaka University's gymnasium compound.

Troops had been based in the complex since January when a military-backed interim administration took power following months of political violence.

The government shut down the army camp on Tuesday night after the clashes.

Fakhruddin said: "The steps taken were temporary measures to protect lives and public and private properties as vested quarters had started acts of anarchy in Dhaka and other places."

Aside from imposing a curfew and putting security forces into the streets, the government has closed down universities and colleges in six cities including Dhaka until further notice, telling students to vacate dormitories.

The country's leading newspaper, the Daily Star, said: "The government for its part could no longer remain a passive bystander to the turmoil.

"What started off as spontaneous protest by students had regrettably been taken over by politically motivated elements."

Dhaka University's 40,000-strong campus was deserted on Thursday, with police and troops patrolling nearby streets and no visible protests, witnesses said.

Emergency

The government warned stern action would be taken against troublemakers, and asked the media not to publish or broadcast "provocative news or footage" that could incite more violence.

Bangladesh has already been under various emergency rules since January when the interim government took charge. It promised to hold a free and free election by end of next year, after completing a drive against corrupt politicians.

Kawsar Khan Sumon, a journalism student at Dhaka University, said: "The protests were spontaneous, but on the third day it spread among a section of the public under the apparent instigation of some political activists."

Students played a key role in previous political movements but the government has said it planned to ban student politics, or at least prevent students from working for the major parties.

That angered both the students and many teachers, education officials said, while the political parties have also supported them and repeated calls for an immediate end to a nationwide ban on political activity.

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if this CTG fails to boundle out corruptions, when we will get another realistic chance to root it out? In our life time?
This morning, I was thinking the same way. If this CTG fails then I don't see any future for us. For God's sake let's hope for the best.
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How long is the curfew going to be on? 8:00 pm August 22 - ?
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Joint forces lead away two DU teachers

Dhaka, Aug 23 (bdnews24.com)—Joint forces Thursday picked up two Dhaka University teachers from the teachers' quarters on Fuller Road, family members said.

The joint forces took away the Dhaka University Teachers Association general secretary, Professor Anwar Hossain, from his home, his son Sanjib Hossain told bdnews24.com shortly after midnight.

"Army men took away my father. They told us that they are taking him for quizzing for a while," he said.

Anwar Hossain, professor of biochemistry, is younger brother of Nov 7, 1975 leader Col Abu Taher. He is a former JSD leader and now a prominent leader of the pro-Awami League teachers' grouping.

The joint forces took away Harun-or Rashid, dean of social sciences, from home shortly after midnight.

His son Ishtiaque Rashid told bdnews24.com that the members of the joint forces had led him away and said they would take him to Shahbagh Police Station for quizzing.

But assistant sub-inspector Md Jamaluddin told bdnews24.com that no DU teachers were brought to Shahbagh Police Station.
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I think we need to be sensitive with this issue. If political thugs are involved, then a certain type of solution is needed, but if low-income people like hawkers are involved then repressing them is not a solution. Heavy handed action by army never helps in the long run. CTG needs to act sensibly.

We really need this CTG to succeed, nobody wants to go back to pre 1/11 days.

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There is no doubt in anyone’s mind that when the state of emergency was declared by the president back in January, our country was passing through a period of crisis. A complex political and economic situation had been created due to the confrontational stances taken by our major political parties in the build-up to the parliamentary elections slated for January 22. At a time such as that, the declaration of emergency, which had brought to an end a period of senseless political chaos and violence, was welcomed by almost all sections of society, even though the fundamental rights of citizens had been suspended as a result of it. Everyone was further encouraged by the initial pledges made by the chief adviser, who spoke of creating a level electoral playing field before holding general elections and of trying to move the country away from confrontational politics and towards the politics of consensus in an effort to democratise the political parties in particular and the political process in general. It is extremely unfortunate, therefore, that this week, seven months on from that time, we have had to witness such widespread and sustained agitation, even in the absence of political leadership, against the very same government that the people so openly welcomed back in January.
While it is only natural that the events of the last few days will be explained differently by different quarters, we strongly feel that the real causes of such dissent must be correctly identified by the present government. For the wrong diagnosis will only worsen the situation, and that will not desirable for anyone — be it the government, our armed forces, civil society, media or the general public. However, the official explanation that has thus far been provided — as can be discerned from the chief adviser’s address to the nation on Wednesday night — that university students’ response to a seemingly minor incident that had already been dealt with by the government was intentionally amplified by ‘evil forces’ and ‘self-seeking quarters’, appears to us to be not only simplistic but also incorrect. In our view, there is growing disillusionment with this government among the people at large, owing to the fact that this government, instead of concentrating on fulfilling the initial pledges that it had made, has been seen to be more busy with other activities such as trying to fracture political parties, expel political leaders, make arbitrary arrests, shut down factories and mills, evict slum-dwellers, etc. Also, instead of working expeditiously to bring about necessary political reforms through the enactment or amendment to electoral laws and rules, the government has given itself an open-ended tenure and has perceivably stalled the restoration of fundamental rights and return to elected rule. The disappointment and disillusionment with the government has, in our view, turned into anger, which found expression in the students’ agitation and the spontaneous involvement of the general public in the protests of the last few days.
It should also be kept in mind that the general public identify this government with our armed forces because of the instrumental and proactive role played by the latter in the installation of this government under Fakhruddin Ahmed. Therefore, any failure of the Fakhruddin government will naturally also be seen as a failure of our armed forces, which have through countless struggles and sacrifice earned a place in the national conscience as the protector of our sovereignty and a symbol of our pride. We feel that if the government does not re-commit itself to the initial pledges made by it and return the country to democratic order, it will create a situation where the people’s faith in the army may be greatly eroded as well, which we as a nation-state cannot afford.
Therefore, we strongly and sincerely urge the Fakhruddin government to steer clear of conspiracy theories and to properly analyse the factors that led to the spontaneous street agitations of the last few days. We also urge it to immediately shift its focus back to the levelling of the playing field and on the holding of credible, acceptable and participatory elections in order to return democratic process to the country and to safeguard the army’s well-earned reputation as the symbol of our sovereignty.
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I have no sympathy for these teachers who openly supported the violence. They should be quizzed and their agenda uncovered so that any political mess ever made such as these are severely weakened.

On the other hand I do have sympathy for the patients and families who were refused the right of way and assaulted at times during curfew hours by members of the security forces. It is exactly heavy handedness like this, and the inability of the individuals to distinguish between right and wrong in discharging their duties that caused the problem 3 days ago.

If the CTG is sincere in removing the systemic corruption brought upon by decades of incompetent and ruinous government, then they should equally root out the public servants who see themselves not as public servants but as bosses of the public.

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