the lowdown after the canada game

[al Furqaan]

i don't know about you all, but i think i smell "complacency" all over this game. SN, Aftab decided to poke at the ball, thinking "amra to besh shohoj bhabe jeete jabo" and before you know it we're 30-3.

then saqib, bashar, and ash realize "khobor asey" and decide to play as if their lives are dependent on the result.

then again 2nd innings the mantra is "amra duisho ashee run kore kemne harbo?" only to pull the act together again.

honestly, there is no other way to explain the cavalier fielding effort our players displayed. dropping sitters, knocking balls into the boundary, throws at the stumps after players reach the crease...

in short, our performance against canada was pathetic. if the tigers plan on playing this 4th rate version of cricket, then we might as well enter or u-17 team into the tourney and hope for better results.

there is no opportunity for rest and breaks...the first XI must play all remaining games and attempt to get their rhythm back in all depts: batting, bowling, and fielding.

[Tigers_eye]

Move this thread to BD forum.

BD forum hahakar kortasey!!

[Rubu]

Things that went wrong:

1. Tamim wasting opportunity. He should have been thinking. I have been given a free ride because no one else clicked. I need to prove that I worth it. Instead, he keeps throwing his wicket.
2. Mushfique having too big of a hole somewhere. I can't imagine someone would give so many by runs.
3. Shahadat being consistent at bowling wrong line and length. He just don't know how to use the new ball. Rasel should be the opening bowler. Shahadat either sits out or comes as 1st change (we play 3 seamers).
4. Rafique not being able to show his class. Really is, he never actually did good in WI.
5. The whole team is in a 'fielding' mode as if they are doing it in front of a girl's college, not in cricket field.

[akabir77]

We need to improve fileding a lot and I feel like we could have made some more runs at the end but i am ok with the effort.

[cricman]

Originally Posted by akabir77
We need to improve fileding a lot and I feel like we could have made some more runs at the end but i am ok with the effort.

We scored 95 off the last 10!

[BD Tigers]

I cud not follow the game but after reading many posts and looking at the score it seems like BD was in some kind of pressure before the game because of last WC history. I cant believe anybody went to the field thinking it will be an easy game. So Nafees/Aftab poking ball doesnt mean they took it easy.

In our innings, our bowlers were probably complacecent early but when Canada started hitting the balls so well that they probably got nervous and put more pressure on themselves. But having self belief and experience brought the win.

My brother was telling (during the game) that Mushfiq missed quite a few stumping chances. I really hope he doesnt do this in the real game because just missing one stumping chance might kill the game for BD.

Tamim is just wasting his chance but if he doesnt do anything against NZ, I am pretty sure JO will play against Scotland and India and that might not be a bad thing. I do hope Tamim takes this last chance and make a good score.

Congrats to Sakib, Sumon and Ash for good batting. I guess "Monkey off the back" now even tho it was a close call.

[Kabir]

Fielding and bowling need work. Batting wise, not every team will always have a perfect top-order everyday, or a perfect middle-order everyday. But fielding and bowling wise, it should be at its best everyday.

So, I just agree with one thing. In the 2nd innings, our bowlers thought, oh these guys will be out for less than 100 against our top bowlers...huh!!!

[BanglaCool]

We can't change the way Canada plays, no matter how much we want them to be minnows and under performing, our opponents on a given day are the set of players on the field. What we have to do is play our level best to overcome their challenge and I must admit we did a poor job out of that in the last game. Our batting left much to be desired, particularly from the top order and the slowish recovery from the middle order that deprived us from a decisive 300+ score on this pitch. But most pathetically our bowling and fielding left us at the same level with Canada in this match, the only difference made are by the latter's inexperienced run chase and a few good flighted slow deliveries (that we still need to perfect).
On the plus side, we have seen a good recovery from bashar and sakib and a number of improvisations from the batting of young sakib and ashraful.

[zakirc]

I actually see a lot of positive in yesterday's match. For the first time ever (As far as I remember) we recovered twice in a match, once while batting and then when bowling. While we almost always had the players capable of doing this, we never actually succeeded. I think yesterdays efforts is a direct result of the winning habit we have grown last year, our team is much more mature and focused now.

[PoorFan]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
... there is no opportunity for rest and breaks...the first XI must play all remaining games and attempt to get their rhythm back in all depts: batting, bowling, and fielding.

Yeah, lets play final eleven in rest of the practice matches. No need for farther experiment!

[PoorFan]

Originally Posted by Rubu
Things that went wrong:

1. The whole team is in a 'fielding' mode as if they are doing it in front of a girl's college, not in cricket field.

What a way of expression! Only applies to BD boys perhaps.

[sunny747]

WI commentators often complaining about the weak arm of BD players....they said al the throw was reaching to keeper after 2/3 drops and of course: not accurately.

what were they trying to do? saving their arm for the big guns?

[fwullah]

This is what I think: I am sorry to say that our players are not yet International class. Yes, batsman took 95 off the last 10 overs, yes, there was a huge partnership between middle order Bashar and Saquib. But if you see behind the lines, our 2 specialist middle order batsman were batting in the last 10 overs, so we can't expect anything less than 95 off the last 10 overs.

At best, we're still struggling to up our ICC (non-test) level performance, and we're sucking at it - the only encouraging thing is that we're winning.

I thought in recent months, we would not have to feel shaky while playing against non-test playing teams, but the fact is, that we're still shaking sometimes away from home against the likes of Zimbabwe (our batsman scoring 150 odd in our last Zim series there in Harare is the proof) and Canada (our mere 13 runs victory yesterdy).

The only way to go up from here is to improve our own performance and improve our domestic circuit as well as players indivdiually to take up the class into a test class. I am saying this because - look at the better performers of Canada - they're all coming from other test playing countries, albeit 40 year old or non-regulars in their own national or age group teams they may be - they're still better players than our own players if compared one by one.

For example, we don't have any batsman, yet, (Saquib will be in Cricinfo's stats - after the World Cup and Shahirar Nafees has played too many games against Zimbabwe, Kenya) who have a batting average of 38. And yet, this Canada team has someone whose average is over 38. Now I haven't gone through the details, but I'm sure that if we compare the players individually - we'll find that at least a few of the Canadian players have actually much better stats than our own.

As Whatmore, our outgoing coach after the WC had insisted in the beginning of his tenure, playing good cricket step by step will eventually lead us to victory, this is one measure that we should take into account very seriously.

[zakirc]

Originally Posted by fwullah
This is what I think: I am sorry to say that our players are not yet International class. Yes, batsman took 95 off the last 10 overs, yes, there was a huge partnership between middle order Bashar and Saquib. But if you see behind the lines, our 2 specialist middle order batsman were batting in the last 10 overs, so we can't expect anything less than 95 off the last 10 overs.

At best, we're still struggling to up our ICC (non-test) level performance, and we're sucking at it - the only encouraging thing is that we're winning.

I thought in recent months, we would not have to feel shaky while playing against non-test playing teams, but the fact is, that we're still shaking sometimes away from home against the likes of Zimbabwe (our batsman scoring 150 odd in our last Zim series there in Harare is the proof) and Canada (our mere 13 runs victory yesterdy).

The only way to go up from here is to improve our own performance and improve our domestic circuit as well as players indivdiually to take up the class into a test class. I am saying this because - look at the better performers of Canada - they're all coming from other test playing countries, albeit 40 year old or non-regulars in their own national or age group teams they may be - they're still better players than our own players if compared one by one.

For example, we don't have any batsman, yet, (Saquib will be in Cricinfo's stats - after the World Cup and Shahirar Nafees has played too many games against Zimbabwe, Kenya) who have a batting average of 38. And yet, this Canada team has someone whose average is over 38. Now I haven't gone through the details, but I'm sure that if we compare the players individually - we'll find that at least a few of the Canadian players have actually much better stats than our own.

As Whatmore, our outgoing coach after the WC had insisted in the beginning of his tenure, playing good cricket step by step will eventually lead us to victory, this is one measure that we should take into account very seriously.

Now I am getting depressed .... আমাদের কি কোনই আশা নেই?

[Miraz]

Originally Posted by Rubu

1. Mushfique having too big of a hole somewhere. I can't imagine someone would give so many by runs.

I don't know why many members are pointing finger at Mushfiq. He has given away only 4 bye runs. This can happen to any keeper at any day.

[Rabz]

Originally Posted by zakirc
I actually see a lot of positive in yesterday's match. For the first time ever (As far as I remember) we recovered twice in a match, once while batting and then when bowling. While we almost always had the players capable of doing this, we never actually succeeded. I think yesterdays efforts is a direct result of the winning habit we have grown last year, our team is much more mature and focused now.

Very well said!!

Yes, our performance in the last match was nothing to mention about..but to me it was like the yesterdays...only the role has been reversed...

years after years..we have seen how the big teams stumbled in the beginning only to find thier way out of the misery and win the match...( remember Colombo test 05, SL 47/4 to win by innings)...
that was the case of knowing they can and they would win..it is as if they forced the opponent to surrender the match..but virtue of shere experience and silent bullying.

Thats exactly what we did against Canada yesterday. If this was the old Bangladesh, who was more used to loosing ... we would have definately lost it. BUT NO, that did not happen. Even though our players suffered from a massive complicency, they knew they should win and indeed they emerged as the winner.

A win is a win at the end of the day... no matter how.
History would record the game as the one where BD won by 13 runs.

Remember how Australia got caught snoozing against BD at Fatullah, but they somehow managed to force thier way out of it, by shere self belief and the habit of winning.. it was more like the Aussies saying,"hey, we cant loose, we dont loose..so we wont." and they didnt.
And it was the complete opposite for Bangladesh...saying, "hey, wait a minute, we are not supposed to win against Australia,not in test, we couldnt, and we wouldnt." and they lost.

This BD team now believe they can win, they should win. Every dog have its bad day...so did we. But as to quote Shakespeare,"All's good if the end is good". And the end result is we WON.

Now looking back, i would actually say that playing Zim, Kenya and Scots last year was the best thing we could have had. It was the build up year where we got into that WINNING ( yes i am repeating that word, so that we all get that in our head, win, win, win, win, win) habit.

That was the new Bangladesh for you yesterday.
We should win, we could win, and so we did.
We won the match.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by PoorFan

What a way of expression! Only applies to BD boys perhaps.

With underaged boys this is bound to happen. This is the norm.

[Tigers_eye]

Those who listened to the radio can attest to the following:
The newzealanders were smacking or playing almost every ball. Very few went without untouched. there were one bye run given by mushfiq while he was standing right up and the player blocked the view and i think the ball went to the 3rd man region and the players took 2 runs. The other one was at the dying moments, when the runner just took of. Blaming Mushfiq is not the correct thing. His two stumping changed the game.

[sadi]

How many stumping chances did he miss?

[Tigers_eye]

Yeah, if the putu putu fielders can't throw fast enough two hops to the keeper most of the half chances would go in vain. Didn't you listen the commentators saying BD players are weak (strength wise)?

[Rubu]

how come I can't find out how to delete a message?

[akabir77]

I agree with sydny and others who r saying playing the minow helped us great and I have been saying that over and over again.
I still remember how akram khans team in Dhaka lost a match to zimbabwe by one wkt where we had two three run out chances and missed and andy won the game for them. We were in similar situations and lost the games, other times too. even the match we lost to kenya in 2003 we were in good position and also with canada but we lost just because we didn't know how to win....
after yesterdays match, I am another satisfied customer...
If we want to show a good show with big teams we have to be far better in the fielding then we r. I think the bd fielding coach is not helping bd team. we need to bring in some ausi or SL people as a fielding coach.

[Mav]

Well done.

[AsifTheManRahman]

Originally Posted by Rubu
how come I can't find out how to delete a message?

try edit->delete

[Fazal]

Or you can try a rubber thukku eraser

Or you can mask it with similar background color