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Old March 27, 2007, 11:01 AM
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OK I guess we can keep the same lineup. It does seem like that these teams in S8 are good against Pacers. But the thing that worried me most was Razzak's 86 Run against SL. There is no way We can drop Mashrafe,Rasel, Rafique, and sakib.
I know that's real worry. However this how I see it:

The problem is not "Razzak the bowler", the problem is "lack of a 6th bowler" and "how they are using Razzak".

Razzak is carrying additional load of bowling as "one down bowler" in power play plus he (along with mashrafee) is bowling as a stopper in slogging overs. Both of these are not easy if you are a spinner. Therefore in my opinion, Razzak's contribution with the ball cannot be detected by stat only.
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Old March 27, 2007, 11:09 AM
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Well said TE & Fazal.
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Old March 27, 2007, 11:35 AM
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Well said TE & Fazal.
No sense replacing Shahadat with Rafiq/Razzaq/Rasel
Bouling looked ok, only on the first match; think of both the later matches. We are very weak on the bouling side. We have so far played all the matches virtually without any contribution with bat from SN & Aftab. I cant see both of them coming back to form soon, that too with tougher teams. Yes, if they would be in form, we could probably manage if we concede some extra runs.

Keeping both of them is gambling. We can take chance with one of them and include another extra bouler to restrict the opponents to a lesser total. Since we have enough spinners, we lack a pacer in the middle overs. That could be anyone who is our 3rd seamer. Be it Shahadat or Bashya who ever is better. I prefer Shahadat.

We are not sacrificing batsmen, compensating for the off form of batsmen. A target over 300 spreads panic in the batting order; but if it is 20/30 less, the same batsmen show much more positive psyche.

That an extra pace bowler can achieve; Does it make sense now !!
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Old March 27, 2007, 11:51 AM
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I know that's real worry. However this how I see it:

The problem is not "Razzak the bowler", the problem is "lack of a 6th bowler" and "how they are using Razzak".

Razzak is carrying additional load of bowling as "one down bowler" in power play plus he (along with mashrafee) is bowling as a stopper in slogging overs. Both of these are not easy if you are a spinner. Therefore in my opinion, Razzak's contribution with the ball cannot be detected by stat only.
Very good point from Fazal. I totally agree. We need a pacer to share some power play overs. Than leaving it all on to the spinner. They have done superb so far.

Same problem also in last 5 overs, when batsmen have licence to slog, spin is not always a better option.

I don't say that spinners cant bowl in PP or last five; but we must have a pace option, so that we are not cought off guarded if the situation does not favour the spinners. then what you do if you don't have an alternative?

India always thought they can cover up the weaker bowling attack by their strong batting line up; but it did not work at all. Srilanka on the other hand picks up specialist bowlers and affords to drop batsmen like atapattu. How much run you do, you need very strong bowling side to restrict the opponent. Good bowling side can make batsmen's job easy.

Attack is the best form of defence; Bowlers are the weapons. We can't lack their.
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Old March 27, 2007, 12:15 PM
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Between Tigers_eye and Fazal, all has been said. There cannot be anymore argument as to why include Shahadat. The first game that Shahadat should play has to be against Ireland. No Shahadat before that, please.

As far as having either Aftab or Nafees sitting out the next one, I think Rajin can replace one of them. My choice would be to replace Nafees, not Aftab. Aftab plays better against pace than Nafees.
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Old March 27, 2007, 01:48 PM
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i think selectors did a bad job by selecting Rajib just for his pace n aggression.. and now they havent use him for any of the matches.. except the bermuda match...

they should have selected Mohammad Sharif, who is better than Rajib..and he could contribute with the bat also...
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Old March 27, 2007, 02:36 PM
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i think selectors did a bad job by selecting Rajib just for his pace n aggression.. and now they havent use him for any of the matches.. except the bermuda match...

they should have selected Mohammad Sharif, who is better than Rajib..and he could contribute with the bat also...
I guess so. But now they have only two options only. Rajib & Tapash. Lets see, how the matches go in S8. Hope to see BD fighting tough with all. Don't like to see a match like SL/BD. Our run rate is the poorest coz of that big margin.

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Old March 27, 2007, 03:27 PM
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Why not turn Bashar,Tamim or Nafees into a pacer and get this problem solved.
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Old March 27, 2007, 04:23 PM
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I think we should keep the squad as it is. If it isn't broken, don't fix it.
I think our spinners can cause a tsunami of patla paikhana for Aussies...
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Old March 27, 2007, 05:17 PM
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Actually drop Rafique...because he's the most famous bowler we have..Bangladesh SLA = rafique..so aussies might have studied a bit about him..unlike Razzak..he's a silent assasin. And against SA we should go on with 3 SLA's!
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Old March 27, 2007, 07:00 PM
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But Ash & Aftab both are spinners, they don't solve the requirement of a pacer. They are expensive also.
.........are you out of your mind? Aftab is a spinner?
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Old March 27, 2007, 07:08 PM
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we don't have luxery to leave a batsman out or leave any one from rafiq or razzak
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Old March 27, 2007, 08:53 PM
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We're lacking two decent pacers who could potentially partner Mashrafee and take wickets against top sides. Frankly, Rasel, Rajib, Sharif and Tapash are all of the same caliber. No matter who they play, they get hit for mad runs...Rajib was even getting hammered by Canada for crying out loud...so much for sheer pace doing the job. We lack intelligent pacers, unfortunately.

Now, given the dearth of quality quicks, we should stick with our SLA army of three. Nothing doing for now. Besides, they have been more successful than not in choking the runs in the middle overs, and Mashrafee has been doing a fabulous job in taking early wickets. If Rasel can continue what he did against India, i.e. check the run-flow by confusing batsmen with a little swing, then that's good enough for now. Rajib will leak runs left, right and centre and Tapash has been pathetic in recent months. So let's just stick with our existing line-up.

I reckon that with our 5 bowlers, three of whom are arguably wicket-takers, we can at the very least restrict sides like Australia and Sri Lanka to totals just south of 300...provided, of course, that the fielding is spot on, i.e. absolutely no dropped catches and there is sufficient aggression to force run-outs like against India (remember Mashrafee barging into Danguly and Aftab knocking out Slogwag?).

Our batting line-up should (theoretically) be able to take care of the rest. We bat very deep down the order. And we have an awesome combination for one-dayers. A decent number of lefties. A decent number of sloggers. A decent number of classical batsmen. The right combination of youth and experience. It's all there. They just have to keep their cool and play to their potential, and chasing a total of around 300 should be on. I see no reason why Tamim, Nafees, Aftab, Mushfiq, Ash, Shakib, Habib and Mash together should not be able to score 300.
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Old March 27, 2007, 09:00 PM
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we need to drop aftab for rajin then hablu will get a grafter up the order and also a offie a 6th bowler. Austrlia will murder us we need 2/3 over from ash 2/3 from rajin and rest from rassel, mash, rafiq, sakib and razzak
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spin or pace... the aussies are capable of hitting them all over the park. If you want to contain that, then the fielders have to throw themselves all around the place to catch, stop and cause run outs everytime. This ultimately trickles down to bashar and how aggressively/intelligently he sets his field and uses his bowlers. From prior experience he has earned the name "hablu" he isnt very creative- doesnt create field settings and use bowlers to create opportunities, rather he always seems to set a field by reacting to how the batsmen play to our bowling.
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we need to drop aftab for rajin then hablu will get a grafter up the order and also a offie a 6th bowler. Austrlia will murder us we need 2/3 over from ash 2/3 from rajin and rest from rassel, mash, rafiq, sakib and razzak
Rajin = unintentionally waving the white flag
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Old March 28, 2007, 06:03 AM
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Whats up with people still determined to drop top ordered batsmen for mediocre pacer. Lets face it, rajib isnt that quick of a bowler infact hes no brett lee, tait or akhter. He will leak too many runs by the end of the day. Why do people want to switch nafees for rajin saleh? Jesus thats like just asking for ten runs only when you have the oppertunity to score over 50 runs if nafees can click. IF rajin is played i can guarantee that we will only get 10 runs and then lose him while nafees may get out too but there is a big chance that he will click and show that he is capable. What I see about Nafees is that he needs time to settle in just like Hayden on that West Indies game(took hayden 15-17 balls to score run) Nafees is built like hayden(pat ha).... well the shorter version of him atleast. So guys please think before you make comment of adding a mediocre quality pacer for a batsmen.(im saying mediocre for now cause Shahadat hasnt really impressed me yet with his pace, line nor swing actually he has almost no swing. but that might change if he shapes up and practice.)
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I Dont Think, It will be a Wise Decission to Change the Winning Combination.
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Old March 28, 2007, 02:12 PM
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I Dont Think, It will be a Wise Decission to Change the Winning Combination.
The wining combination is more appropriate for established teams. In our case, The energy of victory is supposed to be more or less equal in all of 15 members.

Are we not risking too much on 'If SN perform' Fact is, 'he is not performing' not even against Bermuda. A break before he looses all his confidence, might help him to comeback.

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lets bring in Rajin. he is an allrounder unlike Shariar Nafees.
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lets bring in Rajin. he is an allrounder unlike Shariar Nafees.
Apparently, this is much likely to happen when we can't sacrifice one of our spinner. I hope one of our two spinners(Raz or Rafique) a better batsmen, then we could have make that sacrifice and bring in extrace bowler(third seamer). Even two years ago we had an allrounder who used to bowl 5 to 6 overs and used to contribute 30 odd runs, and now we don't have that quality allrounder anymore.
three spinners might be a drawback for us, we have to wait till the Aussie match, no options. But I am scared if something wrong happens, our players might give up!
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Old March 28, 2007, 02:42 PM
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Even two years ago we had an allrounder who used to bowl 5 to 6 overs and used to contribute 30 odd runs, and now we don't have that quality allrounder anymore.
We had a allrounder in making, but we were not patient enough to give him enough chance to grow i.e. fine tune his bowling. And his name is Farhad. He is below par in bowling but more than adequate in batting. If we were patient enough, he could have given us those 5/6 overs.
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We had a allrounder in making, but we were not patient enough to give him enough chance to grow i.e. fine tune his bowling. And his name is Farhad. He is below par in bowling but more than adequate in batting. If we were patient enough, he could have given us those 5/6 overs.
True on that, Farhad was not given chance, but what I heard/read from this forum his pace is like chacha, we saw how Bermuda batsman go after Aftab that day...he had erratic lengths, giving too much width...even you or me can go after his bowling even he bowls like that....
I believe Aftab didn't practice enough and didn't concentrate in this bowling and same goes for Ash. Anyways, I believe we can't stop top teams making 300+ agnst us. Sad but it's true, what can we do at this point.
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what can we do at this point.
bat better, maybe?
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Here is another allrounder option for you all:
Hasibul Hossain not out 61 98 67 10 0 91.04
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