facebook Twitter RSS Feed YouTube StumbleUpon

Home | Forum | Chat | Tours | Articles | Pictures | News | Tools | History | Tourism | Search

 
 


Go Back   BanglaCricket Forum > Cricket > Cricket

Cricket Join fellow Tigers fans to discuss all things Cricket

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old April 20, 2007, 06:31 AM
bd_fan_from_india bd_fan_from_india is offline
Club Cricketer
 
Join Date: December 20, 2004
Location: New Delhi, India
Favorite Player: MS Dhoni(India)
Posts: 179
Default i cant understand how come bd fans think that they r the 2011 wc champs

i apologise if this post hurts anyone feelings out here, but then bangladesh have just started to show some improvement now and started to best the big teams beaing nz(warm-up), ind and sa, but then they r inconsistent as well like losing to ireland and england(2 games which bangladesh should have won). bangladesh r now in a in-between position where they r not bad enough to be called "minnows" and not strong enough to be called a "big team", however some more wins over big teams might change that soon, however they have lost their minnow tag in this wc.

but then some fans r getting way too over-excited with bd performance saying that they will win the 2011 wc. 1 thing is there that bd winning 2011 wc will be a far bigger surprise than india winning in 1983 and sri lanka winning in 1996. however bd will be in with a great chance to make the super-8 or even super-6(if that format is taken again), but i do not c bd winning the wc but they might have some chance in the 2015 wc. its time bd fans got a bit realistic also and ended this over-optimism. for the last 7-8 years, bd fans have been saying indian fans to get realistic, but thats changing now with indian fans asking bd fans to get realistic.

as of now, bangladesh should aim at getting their 1st ever test win over a big team and their 2nd test win overall.
__________________
Bangladesh are NOT minnows
  #2  
Old April 20, 2007, 06:36 AM
Baundule's Avatar
Baundule Baundule is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: November 5, 2004
Favorite Player: Lara
Posts: 5,902

If in the super6, why not the champ?

jokes aside, i am sure the fans are not asking them to be the wc2011 champ. All we want is that they keep up improving, learn from their mistakes and never-say-die. The result, be the champion or runners up does not matter.
  #3  
Old April 20, 2007, 06:40 AM
Sovik's Avatar
Sovik Sovik is offline
Cricket Guru
 
Join Date: August 17, 2005
Location: Dhaka, Bangladesh.
Favorite Player: Brian Charles Lara
Posts: 9,241

Quote:
Originally Posted by bd_fan_from_india
i apologise if this post hurts anyone feelings out here, but then bangladesh have just started to show some improvement now and started to best the big teams beaing nz(warm-up), ind and sa, but then they r inconsistent as well like losing to ireland and england(2 games which bangladesh should have won). bangladesh r now in a in-between position where they r not bad enough to be called "minnows" and not strong enough to be called a "big team", however some more wins over big teams might change that soon, however they have lost their minnow tag in this wc.

but then some fans r getting way too over-excited with bd performance saying that they will win the 2011 wc. 1 thing is there that bd winning 2011 wc will be a far bigger surprise than india winning in 1983 and sri lanka winning in 1996. however bd will be in with a great chance to make the super-8 or even super-6(if that format is taken again), but i do not c bd winning the wc but they might have some chance in the 2015 wc. its time bd fans got a bit realistic also and ended this over-optimism. for the last 7-8 years, bd fans have been saying indian fans to get realistic, but thats changing now with indian fans asking bd fans to get realistic.

as of now, bangladesh should aim at getting their 1st ever test win over a big team and their 2nd test win overall.
the reason we didn't do well in barbados is the same reason India got thrashed in ODI series against south africa in south africa. so we can't blame our players, its our infrastructure. we never had bouncy pitches in sub-continent.

4 years, there are lots to be done. but if we can stay focused and try hard, we will have a competitive side by 2011. we are inconsistent but we need to work on that. winning WC11 is not a unrealistic dream but it will take hell of a effort.
  #4  
Old April 20, 2007, 06:43 AM
Hatebreed's Avatar
Hatebreed Hatebreed is offline
BC T-Shirt Design Winner
 
Join Date: June 19, 2005
Location: Camden, London
Favorite Player: Mashrafe Mortaza
Posts: 7,200

We may not be champions, but we can at least hope to beat teams more consistently by then. Semi-final should be our next target, and who knows what can happen. You worry about India. With most of your star players gone by then, how will you reach super-8?
__________________
My photography
  #5  
Old April 20, 2007, 07:04 AM
tanvir_nus's Avatar
tanvir_nus tanvir_nus is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: April 17, 2005
Location: the heart of the tiger
Favorite Player: Taskin Ahmed - TazKing
Posts: 684

hahahahaha.... funniest thread!I might be a bit too optimistic when I say that we are going to win the world cup. Yes, I am but I am setting goals. Just like Bangladeshi team set goals before going for the goal which is the 2nd round. The target is getting bigger and bigger obviously, and the players will start peaking around that time and probably reach their absolute prime by 2015 for sure but 2011 will be the period when the team will be both matured and young in a way. They would have come to terms with their talent with performance. You can already see a lot of our youngsters (Ashraful/Mash/Razzak) starting to show improved signs of maturity. They are only 23/24 now. Probably by the next world cup Tamim/Nadif/Mushfique will be in the same league as them. And if you don't think Mash/Ash/Razzak are world class now then I have nothing to say.....

As for the 2011 world cup winning target, I do not think even one bit that it is unrealistic. Our team is going to be formed with a new captain a new coach just for that target right from this world cup. All I know is that the next target is to be right up there as the title contenders and not super-eight which has already been achieved.

And did I forget to mention, we are playing it in our home~~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
__________________
Taskin Ahmed Tazim - The future
Edited: The future is here. The next big thing for Bangladeshi Cricket.
143 KPH - 18 years - Against Aussies - 1st April, 2014
  #6  
Old April 20, 2007, 07:23 AM
WarWolf WarWolf is offline
Cricket Guru
 
Join Date: March 3, 2007
Favorite Player: Love them all....
Posts: 11,404

Quote:
Originally Posted by bd_fan_from_india
i apologise if this post hurts anyone feelings out here, but then bangladesh have just started to show some improvement now and started to best the big teams beaing nz(warm-up), ind and sa, but then they r inconsistent as well like losing to ireland and england(2 games which bangladesh should have won). bangladesh r now in a in-between position where they r not bad enough to be called "minnows" and not strong enough to be called a "big team", however some more wins over big teams might change that soon, however they have lost their minnow tag in this wc.

but then some fans r getting way too over-excited with bd performance saying that they will win the 2011 wc. 1 thing is there that bd winning 2011 wc will be a far bigger surprise than india winning in 1983 and sri lanka winning in 1996. however bd will be in with a great chance to make the super-8 or even super-6(if that format is taken again), but i do not c bd winning the wc but they might have some chance in the 2015 wc. its time bd fans got a bit realistic also and ended this over-optimism. for the last 7-8 years, bd fans have been saying indian fans to get realistic, but thats changing now with indian fans asking bd fans to get realistic.

as of now, bangladesh should aim at getting their 1st ever test win over a big team and their 2nd test win overall.
Actually you misunderstood the whole thing. Yes, we are dreaming but we are keeping our feet on the ground as well. Going to semi-final in WC 2011 will be the real target for us. If we can accomplish that target then championship will be only 2 wins away. LOL.

We know our real condition of the team. We know how much potentials we have along with which sectors we need to improve. You might have seen that there wasn't any nasty criticism from BD fans when BD lost to Ireland. Everybody took it as a bad day. We know how to dream yet still know how to keep our feet on the ground.
__________________
And Allah Knows the best
  #7  
Old April 20, 2007, 07:40 AM
OZGOD's Avatar
OZGOD OZGOD is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: April 12, 2006
Location: Boston MA (from Sydney OZ)
Favorite Player: AC Gilchrist
Posts: 549

Bangladesh have improved considerably, but they have a heap more improving to do before anyone can talk about winning the 2011 WC. For starters, most other teams will also be doing their own improving - the environment is not static. BD will have to improve at a better rate than their competitors to improve their chances of victory.

Anyone who has suggested that they can win the 2011 WC now is smoking too much mull.
  #8  
Old April 20, 2007, 08:23 AM
BanCricFan's Avatar
BanCricFan BanCricFan is offline
Cricket Guru
 
Join Date: April 29, 2005
Favorite Player: Bangladesh
Posts: 9,345

Quote:
Originally Posted by OZGOD
.

Anyone who has suggested that they can win the 2011 WC now is smoking too much mull.
Most BC members are naturally high and they dont need anything beside to alter their state of mind!

BD has a VERY realistic chance to go all the way come next World Cup. The key would be retaining most of the players from this bunch and groom them well. The average age of the current squad is 22 and ,therefore, they will be in their prime by the next CWC both mentally and physically. Having said that, its a long way to go till then. Hard work and constant improvement has to be made along the way.

The advantage of BD team over others is that we already have core players for the next CWC- Ashraful, Mashrafi, Razzak, Aftab, Mushfiq, Saqib, Rasel, Shahadat et all! Add to that Alok Kapali, Enamul, Farhad and one or two more. Its very formidable, indeed!

BD's success at U19 level is also another good indicator. Therefore, winning consistently by the next CWC is very realistic! Nothing should be taken for granted though. Good coach, good management, hard work, grooming existing players, keeping a stable squad, long-term planning, leadership training, improving domestic standards will pave the way for unprecedented succeess!

Last edited by BanCricFan; April 20, 2007 at 08:29 AM..
  #9  
Old April 20, 2007, 08:31 AM
cricfanz cricfanz is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: April 25, 2005
Favorite Player: nadif chowdhury
Posts: 716

BD winning the 2011 WC is as unrealistic/realistic a aim as India winning the 2007 WC was....beat that...

Its not about winning the championship itself (although I'll admit to having that as my phone intro msg since the 2003 WC), its about setting targets...

If anyone who was watching the Indian team right before the WC could honestly say they could win the WC, they were probably smoking stronger stuff than us.

Actually, I dont see why the question of India came in...

I honestly think we have a good chance at the semis for 2011. We'll have a good mature team by then..and we'll hopefully do even better than this performance (i.e. semis!!)
  #10  
Old April 20, 2007, 08:34 AM
OZGOD's Avatar
OZGOD OZGOD is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: April 12, 2006
Location: Boston MA (from Sydney OZ)
Favorite Player: AC Gilchrist
Posts: 549

Quote:
Originally Posted by BanCricFan
Most BC members are naturally high and they dont need anything beside to alter their state of mind!

BD has a VERY realistic chance to go all the way come next World Cup. The key would be retaining most of the players from this bunch and groom them well. The average age of the current squad is 22 and ,therefore, they will be in their prime by the next CWC both mentally and physically. Having said that, its a long way to go till then. Hard work and constant improvement has to be made along the way.

The advantage of BD team over others is that we already have core players for the next CWC- Ashraful, Mashrafi, Razzak, Aftab, Mushfiq, Saqib, Rasel, Shahadat et all! Add to that Alok Kapali, Enamul, Farhad and one or two more. Its very formidable, indeed!

BD's success at U19 level is also another good indicator. Therefore, winning consistently by the next CWC is very realistic! Nothing should be taken for granted though. Good coach, good management, hard work, grooming existing players, keeping a stable squad, long-term planning, leadership training, improving domestic standards will pave the way for unprecedented succeess!
I think that you definitely have a serious chance at a semi-final spot in 2011 - but there's still a bit of a way to go, in terms of batting consistency and getting a bit more variety in your bowling attack. Some of the attributes you suggested (good coach, good management, improving domestic standards, grooming existing players, leadership, to name just a few) are critical and your team will have to make sure they put these in place well before 2001, as they take a few years to take effect. Improving domestic standards is one of the key activities and will take a while - it took the OZ about 10 years to improve the standard of the Pura Cup/ING Cup to the point where it was considered one of the best first-class competitions in the world.

One of the things that people don't always think about is that teams don't exist in a vacuum - other teams will also be implementing programs to make sure that they improve and make sure that these improvements are sustainable. Teams like OZ, NZ, SA, India, Pak and so on will all be looking to improve and build on their young players to make sure that they are in a position to consistently deliver quality performances leading up to the 2001 tournament, so BD will have to make sure that their rate of improvement exceeds those of other competitors.

It's good that people are optimistic though! Good luck.

Last edited by OZGOD; April 20, 2007 at 08:41 AM..
  #11  
Old April 20, 2007, 08:55 AM
Miraz's Avatar
Miraz Miraz is offline
BC Staff
BC Editorial Team
 
Join Date: February 27, 2006
Location: London, United Kingdom
Favorite Player: Mohammad Rafique
Posts: 14,895

I don't feel that most BC members think that Bangladesh will be world champion in 2011.

Definitely Bangladesh will pose more threat to the oppositions and will be a much more improved side, no doubt.

Unless we start beating quality oppositions regularly, our glimpses of achievements will not assure success in any ODI tournament.
__________________
You only play good cricket when you win/draw matches.
I am with Bangladesh, whether they win or lose . http://twitter.com/BanglaCricket
  #12  
Old April 20, 2007, 08:57 AM
Omio's Avatar
Omio Omio is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: February 25, 2006
Location: London, UK
Favorite Player: Only Ashraful & Me
Posts: 4,429

I think we have better chance to qualify for semi,
  #13  
Old April 20, 2007, 09:02 AM
allrounder's Avatar
allrounder allrounder is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: September 4, 2003
Posts: 3,761

Four more years to go, lets see how we proceed in these years. Now that we will have a new coach, things are also going to be different for the team.
__________________
Durgomo giri kantar moru dustoro parabar he
Longhite hobe ratri nishithe jatrira hushiar.
  #14  
Old April 20, 2007, 09:12 AM
Tigers_eye's Avatar
Tigers_eye Tigers_eye is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: June 30, 2005
Location: Little Rock
Favorite Player: Viv Richards, Steve Waugh
Posts: 24,372

Only selected few says we will win the 2011 cup. Even among them some have doubt in their minds. So as the thread title generalizes it, that is not the fact.

If someone says, "You are a donkey" that don't make me a donkey. So take what is worth, think rationally.
__________________
The Weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the Strong." - Ghandi.

Last edited by Tigers_eye; April 20, 2007 at 11:21 AM..
  #15  
Old April 20, 2007, 09:14 AM
Ahmed_B's Avatar
Ahmed_B Ahmed_B is offline
BanglaCricket Staff
 
Join Date: February 3, 2004
Posts: 5,566

Quote:
Originally Posted by bd_fan_from_india
i cant understand how come bd fans think that they r the 2011 wc champs
Well... take it as a "die-hard-fan-thing" and surely not literally.
Its somewhat like the WestIndians, English and Indian fans hoping that they would win the 2007 WC.. even though deep inside they all knew very well how much of a dream-achievement it would had it happened.

BD fans do know well to carefully seperate dreams and expectations.
__________________
Well...you only get one chance to make your first impression somewhere...!
  #16  
Old April 20, 2007, 10:43 AM
al Furqaan's Avatar
al Furqaan al Furqaan is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 18, 2004
Location: Chicago
Favorite Player: Mominul, Nasir, Taskin
Posts: 20,146

simple. the same way indian and pakistani fans thougth their teams had a realistic shot at the 07 championship: its called over-optimism.

but if you look at the distance travelled by BD from 03 to 07 and project that for 07-11, then it makes a lot of sense.

whether that improve keeps going at the same average rate is a completely different assumption, however.
__________________
I drop knowledge so heavy it leaves the world unbalanced, exterminating the spiritual force of all that challenge, I'm the lyrical apocalypse that crumbles the granite, replacing you as the dominant species on the planet.
  #17  
Old April 20, 2007, 10:49 AM
Mahmood's Avatar
Mahmood Mahmood is offline
Administrator
Operations & Administrations
 
Join Date: June 20, 2002
Location: Montreal, Canada
Favorite Player: Mashrafe Mortaza
Posts: 7,770

Dont pay too much attention to what Amit says, he has a bad habbit of putting words in your mouth. Just coz few BC members said or made a wishfull comment that Bangladesh will win the WC 2011, he is posting why BD fans think that way as if all fans think that.

Actually this is not that bad, soon you will see worse accusations, he always does that and eventually gets himself banned. Happend too many times.
  #18  
Old April 20, 2007, 11:40 AM
Farhad's Avatar
Farhad Farhad is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: December 11, 2006
Location: Boston, MA
Favorite Player: Sakibul Hasan
Posts: 2,815

Not us dude. Not us. Target the coach of the BD academy team - Allister de Winter. This is what he had to say just yesterday.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerCricket
When can Bangladesh hope to be among the leading cricket playing nations?

Allister: Within five years. I strongly believe that when these players (academy scholars) will form the majority of the team Bangladesh will start winning the Test matches. I also consider Bangladesh as one of the title contenders for the 2011 World Cup because that team will be full of Academy players.
You can check out the whole article here
__________________
^True dat^
  #19  
Old April 20, 2007, 11:45 AM
AsifTheManRahman's Avatar
AsifTheManRahman AsifTheManRahman is offline
Super Moderator
BC Editorial Team
 
Join Date: February 12, 2004
Location: Canada
Favorite Player: Ice Man, Chatter Box
Posts: 27,672

lol, Amit's at it again.

btw, i like this de Winter dude quite a bit. i think he's doing an excellent job in building professionalism among the academy players and we all see the virtue of discipline when we look at the flock coming into the national team from the U-19 side. we need someone like him to be the next coach - someone who does not necessarily have a high profile, but is good at getting his hands dirty and getting the job done.

it's time to lure him into the forum by complaining about the academy team's performances, just as we did to McInnes
__________________
Screw the IPL, I'm going to the MLC!
  #20  
Old April 20, 2007, 12:53 PM
Fazal's Avatar
Fazal Fazal is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: September 16, 2004
Posts: 15,455

>> i cant understand how come bd fans think that they r the 2011 wc champs

Don't understand the fans (who think BD will be 2011 WC champs) here?

Then read the thread....posted by BD4eve.

Quote:
When can Bangladesh hope to be among the leading cricket playing nations?

Allister(Academy team coach ): Within five years. I strongly believe that when these players (academy scholars) will form the majority of the team Bangladesh will start winning the Test matches. I also consider Bangladesh as one of the title contenders for the 2011 World Cup because that team will be full of Academy players.



Still you don't believe it? Then I guess you have to ask the question to our (Australian) Academy team coach Allister about that.
  #21  
Old April 20, 2007, 01:22 PM
bengaltiger's Avatar
bengaltiger bengaltiger is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: March 14, 2006
Location: East Coast
Posts: 718

it's tough talk by us (the b'deshi fans). it's a form of ecouragement. it's pretty early to say whether b'desh will win the next world cup or not.
__________________
Bad deeds of 200 years (equivalent) are obliterated if a man recites 100 Durood on Friday. Hadith
  #22  
Old April 20, 2007, 02:22 PM
BANTigress's Avatar
BANTigress BANTigress is offline
Club Cricketer
 
Join Date: April 16, 2007
Location: Uk
Favorite Player: Tamim, Ash, Sakib, Mash
Posts: 157

let wait nd watch.......4yrs left wow!
__________________
[Mod: check forum signature rules]
  #23  
Old April 20, 2007, 02:49 PM
TheWatcher TheWatcher is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: April 20, 2005
Posts: 4,782

Quote:
Originally Posted by cricfanz
If anyone who was watching the Indian team right before the WC could honestly say they could win the WC, they were probably smoking stronger stuff than us.
__________________
If everyone is thinking alike then someone isn't thinking.
  #24  
Old April 20, 2007, 03:07 PM
bharat bharat is offline
ODI Cricketer
 
Join Date: September 25, 2005
Posts: 914

Why not ?

Thinking abt it, the BD team looks a lot like the Indian team that won in '83.

My best comparison would be Mortaza with Kapil (may be too early ..but )

Mortaza is what Kapil was to the Indian team then..

--The Lone Pacer (ofcourse we had others and BD has others too ..) but it was Kapil and co then and Mortaza and co now.

--A likely candidate for captancy

--A hard hitter (But has to be more consistent to be reach the league of Allrounders)

--Charismatic like Kapil .



And even Tamim might be matured by then ..a la Srikanth to unnerve the bowlers.

what BD needs is just a couple of world class Batsmen in the middle liek Gavaskar,Vishy or Vensarkar.

Saqib,Ash will have to make rapid strides to fill that up.


And more importantly BD has the bits and pieces allrounders that India had then .
  #25  
Old April 20, 2007, 03:23 PM
GoldenAsif GoldenAsif is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: April 8, 2007
Posts: 303

A lot of the younger fans on the forum had very unrealistic expectations of the BD cricket team, whereas the older, more mature and more cricket-educated members had their feet on the ground.

I believe anything is possible. BD beat New Zealand, South Africa and India in the past month or so and by 4 years they will be far stronger and will be able to beat these teams on a more regular basis. However the Ozzie dominance of world cup cricket is truly awesome and it seems like they are unstoppable in this world cup and perhaps maybe even in the next, who knows.

So in other words if our cricket team can beat South Africa, India and New Zealand in ODIs (though all 3 of those teams are better than BD) then not only can they do that in 4 years time, they can do it more regularly and perhaps get to the same level as Australia.
Closed Thread

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:05 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
BanglaCricket.com
 

About Us | Contact Us | Privacy Policy | Partner Sites | Useful Links | Banners |

© BanglaCricket