Young Tamim's exclusion from Tests surprising -- India Times

amra_korbo_joy · #1 May 13, 2007, 04:59 PM

CHITTAGONG, May 13: Young Tamim Iqbal must consider himself unlucky to be overlooked by the Bangladesh selectors for the Test squad that will take on India later this month. The exciting left-handed opener, who has also been overlooked for the Asia side by the ACC selectors, seems to have been branded as an ODI specialist, who is an automatic choice for the game's shortest version, Twenty20.

Labels are hard to get rid of in modern cricket. Tamim, who is completely fearless and often uses unorthodox methods to perplex rival bowlers, had played a key role in Bangladesh's successful run chase against India in the World Cup. He bothered the Indians no end in the first game before playing a poor shot to get out and was tragically run out in the second ODI.

The Indians sure will not be complaining to see his name missing from the Test side, for Tamim is in the Virender Sehwag mould. As with the Delhi dasher, there is always a chance that Tamim can get out cheaply, but when he gets going, he usually puts his team in a winning position with his unorthodox strokeplay. Another surprising omission from the Test squad is young Mushfiqur Rahim. The diminutive wicketkeeper-batsman has been the find of the World Cup, but the Bangladesh selectors, by turning the clock back to veteran Khaled Mashud have clearly indicated that they have a soft corner for long-serving seniors.

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zahid · #2 May 13, 2007, 05:43 PM

Tamim is an ODI specialist. an ODI player.

Poor knowledge of cricket from Indians.

**Zunaid** · #3 May 13, 2007, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zahid
Tamim is an ODI specialist. an ODI player.

Poor knowledge of cricket from Indians.

Ignore the Indians.

Why do you think Tamim is an ODI specialist?

Miraz · #4 May 13, 2007, 05:52 PM

Some useful info.

Tamim's first class record

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Batting and fielding averages      
   Mat    Inns    NO    Runs    HS    Ave    BF    SR    100    50    4s    6s    Ct    St   
 
     ODIs    15   15   0   281   51   18.73   428   65.65   0   1   38   4   6   0  
     First-class    12   20   1   824   118   43.36   1021   80.70   2   5       4   0  
     List A    22   22   0   404   51   18.36   595   67.89   0   1   
  
  9   0

TheWatcher · #5 May 13, 2007, 05:54 PM

I have to agree with that India journo here. Technically, Tamim is the most compact opening batsman we currently have in the national team and he is the one gets the slash from Test series !

**Zunaid** · #6 May 13, 2007, 05:58 PM

Aye. I wanted those who are prone to dismiss players to back their stance with some hard data. Ignore how he plays in ODIs, see how he has fared in FC matches. He has been opening most instances with a few innings where he was one down. A healthy average with an interestingly high SR for FC matches.

Here are his innings:

Runs Balls Mins 4s 6s
Tamim Iqbal lbw b Rezaul Haque 22 57 93 3
Tamim Iqbal c Shahin Hossain b Ishraq Sonet 29 30 48 6 -
Tamim Iqbal c Salahuddin Ahmed b Ziaur Rahman 18 31 35 2 -
Tamim Iqbal c Mohammad Salim b Dolar Mahmud 0 2 2 - -
Tamim Iqbal c Nabil Samad b Monirul Islam 113 84 132 18 2
Tamim Iqbal c Anwar Hossain Piju b Uttam Sarkar 118 94 153 14 4
Tamim Iqbal not out 71 58 88 13 -
Tamim Iqbal c Shamimul Haque b Mushfiqur Rahman 8 11 8 2 -
Tamim Iqbal lbw b Suhrawadi Shuvo 49 64 83 5 2
Tamim Iqbal c Shahin Hossain b Monir Hossain 76 90 147 14 -
Tamim Iqbal c Ishraq Sonet b Abul Bashar 34 53 73 3 1
Tamim Iqbal c Enamul Haque b Rezaul Haque 11 34 60 2 -
Tamim Iqbal b Tapash Baisya 0 2 2 - -
Tamim Iqbal b Mohammad Sharif 84 131 171 12 1
Tamim Iqbal c Mahmudullah b Talha Jubair 20 40 49 2 -
Tamim Iqbal c Humayun Kabir b Arafat Salahuddin 2 12 18 - -
Tamim Iqbal c Ariful Haque b Tapash Ghosh 76 86 107 13 2
Tamim Iqbal c Ziaur Rahman b Manjural Islam 34 45 58 6 -
Tamim Iqbal c Jamaluddin Ahmed b Manjural Islam 54 83 92 8 -

cricket_pagol · #7 May 13, 2007, 06:07 PM

Personally, I felt there is no need to rush Tamim to the test squad. I think he might be a little weak on the short balls... I hope he is included in the next series.

000000 · #8 May 13, 2007, 06:39 PM

http://banglacricket.com/alochona/im...ilies/kiss.gif

Hello ppl.
all i wana say that the the selectors did the rite thin by keeping Tamim out of the squead.
he is a odi player. and look at the other nation ppl they does that too. they pick different players for test and odi. they should keep the keeper out too.tamim and musifq they r both new . the don't have any experience on test match. and look at khaled masud .. he has 1 century and most experienced wicket keeper and batsman.

I liked their idea. this time the BCB did the rite thing.

http://banglacricket.com/alochona/im...milies/mad.gif

i mean come on ppltamim ke bad diyache to ki, o kenoi ba test khelbe, test hoche dhorjer khela and nerob khela like J.O. R o to mathe name pita-piti churu kore.
and i would like to tell Tamim that keep the way u play in odi, we need that kida plyer. now don't start playing like J.O. thela garito get a chance on test match.
and ro bagaldeshi shomalochokpls ....stop talking about thing s that u don't understand. i remember ppl were saying that why BCB change players too many times... but in the world cup they didn't that much.. they said that why same squad.
oppernent will find the trick. same chock 3 spiners. 2 fat bowler and rest is batsman.
so my q is that what should bcb do if u guyz do this.......???????http://banglacricket.com/alochona/im...milies/mad.gif

000000 · #9 May 13, 2007, 06:57 PM

http://banglacricket.com/alochona/im...s/confused.gif

I have a q?
WHY Tamim should play in the test. he is a big hiter.
http://banglacricket.com/alochona/im...milies/sad.gif

so don't say something that clueless.
taking tamim means loosing an early wicket, bcaz he hits the bowler lik ***. and test is not about hiting.
http://banglacricket.com/alochona/im...lies/phbbt.gif

and Tamim don't become a THELA GARI player to get a chence in teat matches. keep up the way u play.http://banglacricket.com/alochona/im...milies/lol.gif
we enjoy watching u when u kick the forigen bowlers ***

zahid · #10 May 13, 2007, 07:22 PM

Tamim is an aggressive batsman. But with a time bomb when he gets at the crease. Has he managed to go till over no. 25 in any ODI ?

NO. To be a Test batsman, you have to play slow and be cool and survive a long duration.

What some people are failing to see is that we are trying to have 2 sets of players - 1 for ODI and 1 for TESTS.

Tamim is in the ODI set.

layperson · #11 May 13, 2007, 08:38 PM

Perfectly put by the Indian Journo. I attest to his views 200%. People who think otherwise are the ones who belong to the group who think to play test matches you have to be ultra defensive. The truth is actually you need to get your opposition out twice to win test matches. People who think about playing defensively are the ones who usually would settle for a draw in a test match rather than go for a risky win. LEt me give you people a scenario. Battting first you score 400 odd runs in the first day. That is very fast at more than 4 an over. The huge total itself puts pressure on the opposition and if you are bowling well enough then you will have the upper hand to win the match.The only time you need players to defend all day is when you are playing for a draw. I am more than sure than tamim, aftab etc the ones labelled as ODI players are capable of blocking out if needed. It is the technique that matters and tamim has one of the best techniques when he is playing the conventional shots as watcher bhai already mentioned. We should model ourselves on the australian and not on the english. Austalia has power packed batting line up of very aggressive players for test matches. The aussies bat and score a pile of runs and thats how they win matches not by consuming time. Cricket has changed now which is why you see test matches ending in 4 days nowadays with much more results thsan draws. This is a positive sign but some fans are still stuck with the age old process of thinking test is for playing out overs and ODI is for aggressive batting. I find this utter BS.We should learn to think along with the times and evolve not get stuck with one particular theory.

sadi · #12 May 13, 2007, 08:47 PM

I am sure he will get his chances. He is only 18 anyways.

Pundit · #13 May 13, 2007, 09:24 PM

Getting one of our openers out after 20 runs and 10 balls is indeed a bonanza for the Indians in a test.

BD Tigers · #14 May 13, 2007, 09:58 PM

Tamim might have a good avg in FC but u also have to see that the bowlers are not that good (well Indian's attack not that good either). I am sure he's the future openning batsman in the test but not now. I want to see him play a long innings first in an ODI first before considering in Test.

Spitfire_x86 · #15 May 14, 2007, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zahid
Tamim is an aggressive batsman. But with a time bomb when he gets at the crease. Has he managed to go till over no. 25 in any ODI ?

So what? Even the brainless maniac Afridi's test record is lot better than his ODI record.

Quote:

NO. To be a Test batsman, you have to play slow and be cool and survive a long duration.

This "you have to play slow" part is the biggest popular myth about test cricket.

kalpurush · #16 May 14, 2007, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zunaid
Ignore the Indians.

...could we, Zunaid bhai?!

cricket_king · #17 May 14, 2007, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zahid
Tamim is an ODI specialist. an ODI player.

Poor knowledge of cricket from Indians.

His first class average says otherwise.

cricket_king · #18 May 14, 2007, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 000000
http://banglacricket.com/alochona/im...s/confused.gif

I have a q?
WHY Tamim should play in the test. he is a big hiter.
http://banglacricket.com/alochona/im...milies/sad.gif

so don't say something that clueless.
taking tamim means loosing an early wicket, bcaz he hits the bowler lik ***. and test is not about hiting.
http://banglacricket.com/alochona/im...lies/phbbt.gif

and Tamim don't become a THELA GARI player to get a chence in teat matches. keep up the way u play.http://banglacricket.com/alochona/im...milies/lol.gif
we enjoy watching u when u kick the forigen bowlers ***

Dude........why dont you think about what you're saying before telling other people to?
The bangladesh team doesnt require experience. They require BATSMEN!
Tamim is the best opener we've got. I find it ridiculous that tamim and mushfique were dropped. Selectors have made some poor decisions during this test series.
Nevertheless,let's just hope i'm wrong.

WarWolf · #19 May 14, 2007, 03:06 AM

Personally I would like to see TI and Mushy in the test squad. But the selectors have chosen a safer way to go. TI may be given more time before bringing in to the test squad. But I am quite surprized about Mushy. Till WC 2007 we all knew Mushy is a test batsman material and all on a sudden the selectors made him an ODI specialist. I am just speechless.

MysoreHuli · #20 May 14, 2007, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zahid
Tamim is an ODI specialist. an ODI player.

Poor knowledge of cricket from Indians.

Oh really! Then what do u think Gilchrist KP, Sehwag, Jayasurya etc are doing in their respective test teams?
Plz enhance ur crcketing knowledge by keeping quite.

sheikh · #21 May 14, 2007, 06:12 AM

Selector Should give some more time to TAMIM before throwing thim to the test arena and thats what they have done. Why should we be in to much hurry? We have a long way to go. And Tamim is only 18!!

Aritro · #22 May 14, 2007, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zunaid
Ignore the Indians.

Why do you think Tamim is an ODI specialist?

His tendancy to play through the air will cost him in test matches when captains can set their fields free of restrictions.

His tendancy to stay stuck in his crease and flap his bat at anything short or wide will cost him when captains have a 3rd slip in.

His seeming inability to play any shots off the backfoot will be exploited horribly by attack-minded test bowlers and captains.

In fact, I'm of the opinion that he'd benefit from a year in the academy more than anything, but that's a whole other arguement.

Aritro · #23 May 14, 2007, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWatcher
I have to agree with that India journo here. Technically, Tamim is the most compact opening batsman we currently have in the national team and he is the one gets the slash from Test series !

Out of all the adjectives I'd use to describe Tamim, 'compact' would be just under 'even-tempered' at the bottom of the list.

The most compact player we currently have in the national team is Rajin Saleh and I just can't understand why he hasn't been given Javed Omar's anchoring role in one-dayers.

Rabz · #24 May 14, 2007, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sadi
I am sure he will get his chances. He is only 18 anyways.

Pefectly said...
we dont hv to scream our lungs here for that..
he has just started to play his internatioanl games...
may be he didnt get his chance this series... may be not the next not..but he will get for sure very soon.......
He's got lot more to offer to BD cricket and im sure he will deliver on time...

zahid · #25 May 14, 2007, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spitfire_x86
This "you have to play slow" part is the biggest popular myth about test cricket.

Play slow and also make runs at the same time.

What would you prefer?

Tamim scores 50 in 5 overs and he is back in the pavillion.

OR

Tamim plays for a whole day and scores 100.

???