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Old October 2, 2003, 08:07 AM
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Default How should be the pitch?

When i look at the England team, i wonder how bowlers will stop them. Vaughan, Threscothik, Butcher, Hussain are there to score tons of runs against us. Last time it was Hameed, Inzi, Yohana but this time these four top class batsmans. O i forgot...Thorpe...another great batsman. What will be our strategy to atleast stop them making tons?
...Is English bowling attack really threatenin??

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Old October 2, 2003, 08:40 AM
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Just by the same old fashioned way, good line-length bowling and top class fielding. Furthermore, we have nothing to lose but they have everything. The pressure is really on them. And remember our batsmen are learning by hour.
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Old October 2, 2003, 11:43 AM
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yea I know good length and good fielding...but the middle order crisis how can it be solved...return of shahriar/ moniruzzaman/tushar or out of the selected 20 players.
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Old October 2, 2003, 11:51 AM
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Rokon should not return in any event. The guy zillion opportunities. Enough is enough. If you need to try, then try with Bidyut, Mehrab. But I think moniruzzaman is good choice.
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Old October 2, 2003, 12:14 PM
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>>will England gona whitewash us again?

hmm 68% chance of that.
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Old October 2, 2003, 12:16 PM
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Default only two pacers!!!

As the wicket condition will determine the inclusion of extra spinners. I am not sure where to put him. Openning Hannan-Golla, then bashar, Rajin, Kapali, Babu, Sujon, Pilot, Rafiq, another spinner, Kowshik...but babu iz medium pacers...will it gona be enough to tackle such strong batting line up of England??
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Old October 2, 2003, 12:17 PM
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The best that we can hope for in this tour is one 5-day-rain-uninterrupted draw in the test series.

And I wouldn't mind some good batting performances during the one day series - like a strike rate of over 60 percent at least by the batsman who can stay in the wicket for at least 70 to 80 balls. It will make a good contest, if not a close game like in the 4th odi AGAINST Pakistan.
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Old October 2, 2003, 12:21 PM
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Default Pressure

Bangladeshi players will be under more pressure to perform at home in front of home-crowd after good away performances in Australia and Pakistan.

Although it is a general fact for most countries that at home, the host country will play better - but it is not true in case of Bangladesh - certainly some individual players can perform better at home, but team-wise, Bangladesh will not do better at home - than what they are capable of.
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Old October 2, 2003, 12:43 PM
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Wow! Are we pessy these days.

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The best that we can hope for in this tour is one 5-day-rain-uninterrupted draw in the test series.
We just came back from a tour within an inch of victory. Surely there is scope for more hope. So I think Chinaman is on the right track, we just keep to the basics, i.e line and length and actually all this talk of spin damaging England will not really bear fruit. Still putting my trust on Masri to deliver the goods.
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Old October 2, 2003, 12:47 PM
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Default I agree Oracle but giving the whote pace duty to Masree..

masree iz our only pace hope besides Tapash so far...but if Tapash don't play for spin track wont it gona be hard for Masree...
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Old October 2, 2003, 02:28 PM
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Default The England series

will be tougher than Pakistan, even with home advantage in our favour. The reason we did well in Pakistan was because our batsmen put runs on the board, allowing the bowlers some margin. But our batting is still quite fragile and we will have to work hard to make sure that we score a lot of runs, because England surely will. I just don't see the England line-up folding up like Pakistan did a couple of times in the last series. England will score heavilly, and we will have to match them with a ton of runs, atleast in the first innings.

The England lineup will look something like this :

Trescothick
Vaughan
Butcher
Hussain
Thorpe
Flintoff
Read
Giles
Batty
Harmison
Hoggard

Two specialist seamers backed up by Flintoff, two different types of spinners and a very strong batting order; we surely have our work cut out for us. For more on each player, you guys can read my piece on the front page!
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Old October 2, 2003, 02:36 PM
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England is better team than pakistan.
We don't have any chance with them in ODI. They have some solid batsmen and allrounders. fwullah might be right here.
One draw is what we should look for.
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Old October 2, 2003, 03:14 PM
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Nice article Sham. I didn't know a lot about some of the obscure names in that squad. Then again, I haven't been following English/county cricket on TV for years now.
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Old October 3, 2003, 12:44 AM
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Although it is better not to think ahead of what's gonna happen in the one day series - before the test series even started; but including Mushfique and Mashrafee as the two new ball bowlers will only force Sujon to bowl during the middle overs.

I might be too quick on my judgment and also on my prediction, but in that case, Sujon's bowling will only look poorer in the one dayers.

I say that if we have to keep Mushfique in the side to give a place to an additional spinner (Rafique is always the main spinner) plus give our batting line up a boost, then we have to include Tapash, not Mashrafee.

If our lower order batting is such a concern (so that Mushfique will have to play in the eleven), then we should force our two most experienced all-rounders Rafique and Sujon to concentrate on their batting a little more than they have been doing so far in the last 2 tours.
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Old October 3, 2003, 09:29 AM
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Default Sujon as a third seamer

I have no complain about our fighter captain Sujon. But as a third seamer, I wish he could contribute more like other third seamers who come after openning pace attacks.
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Old October 3, 2003, 01:12 PM
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When i look at the England team, i wonder how bowlers will stop them. Vaughan, Threscothik, Butcher, Hussain are there to score tons of runs against us. Last time it was Hameed, Inzi, Yohana but this time these four top class batsmans. O i forgot...Thorpe...another great batsman. What will be our strategy to atleast stop them making tons?
...Is English bowling attack really threatenin??

BangladeshCricket]
This is the typical mentality of our race. We are always scared of our opponents. Before we blame our players for their "mental block" we should think of how confident are we ourselves. One thing is certain - we won't be able to beat anyone until we really believe that we can beat anyone. And remember our players are not from a different planet - they are from us and among us.
So let's play smartly with a winning attitude and beat England.
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Old October 3, 2003, 01:24 PM
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Default England will be tougher than Pakistan

because England has a much more classical approach to Test cricket. They have lots of patience, the the very thing that worked against Pakistan won't work against England.

Those of you who got to watch the games against Pakistan know that our bowlers didn't do anything special. Not even Rafiq. We just reaped the benefits of bowling tightly and exerting pressure. All the Pakistanis are impulsive stroke players, Umar, Hamid, Hafeez, even Inzi and Youhana lose it after a while. But the English won't be worried about strike rates, they will bat out for long periods. So, while crazyisland is right that we can't go in being negative, we have to figure out what exactly we will do against England.

Pakistan to England is not a natural transition. They are very different teams with very different types of players. Pakistanis are wonderful stroke players, but they are also temperamental and don't like getting bogged down. The English won't play that many strokes but they sure as hell won't lose their wickets because they got frustrated! The important thing is to do our homework and plan well.



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Old October 3, 2003, 01:26 PM
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Default Give the bowlers half a chance

All I say is Whatmore should ask the BCB to prepare wickets so that our bowlers have half a chance in getting the batsmen out. Just don't have the dead wickets where touring sides pile on 500+ runs for the loss of a few wickets. England is side who have proven to do just that in the sub-continent. BD should examine where its bowling strengths are. They don't have quality spin bowlers apart from Rafique. Pace has proven to be somewhat effective. I would prepare the wicket with some bounce and some green. I would rather see England bowled out in both their innings than see BD score some runs but yet never coming close to the mammoth total set by the opposition. We know that Dav can influence the BCB to prepare wickets just like he has done in preparing for the AUS tour and he should really do just that based on whether he wants to go with pace or spin. Just don't have the dead wickets where nothing seems to work.

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Rokon should not return in any event. The guy zillion opportunities. Enough is enough. If you need to try, then try with Bidyut, Mehrab. But I think moniruzzaman is good choice.
Hear! Hear! I say bring back Bidyut or, give Moniruzzaman a chance. BCBs policy of only picking youngsters is counter productive as older batsmen (who aren't really that old in the international cricketing arena) don't seem to have any chance of being selected for the team no matter how well they perform!
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Old October 4, 2003, 10:49 AM
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how should be our pitch last two tours the pitch ....especially in Pakistan pitches were favorable for batsman. And we performed well ....can we make the pitch same way as we had a fruitful result?? or As English Team plays more conventionally is it a good idea to make the pitch favorable for batting.
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Old October 4, 2003, 11:25 AM
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I think the outside conditions helped the Bangladesh and the Pakistan bowlers, especially in the day-night games in Pakistan.

Remember the toss? I wonder how the results would have been if South Africa wins the toss tomorrow and elects to bat first - at the same stadium as Lahore.
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Old October 4, 2003, 02:05 PM
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Default Sumon wanted slower turning pitch but Athahar Ali wanted pitch like pakistan series

Definitely toss was a key factor, even i guess in one day when we won the toss we are to the nearest of that victory. But will toss and environment will play the same effect that was seen in Pakistan series for us?? or it's more about the pitch condition like will it flat, slow or more batting friendly??
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Old October 4, 2003, 02:55 PM
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After playing Mcgrath, Gillespee, Bret lee and Shoaib, English bowling attack should not pose a big threat for Bangladesh...As whatmore said "it will be a test of patience". England will bat longer and also slower. So we will definetly have a better chance of drawing a test if we can prepare wickets similar to Pakistan, i.e., slow-dead-wickets where the ball does not come on to the bat. I hope bangladesh will be able to play Giles with enough guile so he does not become a mencae as Grant flower became in Chittagong.
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