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Old July 12, 2007, 01:30 AM
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Default Right They Have To MAke The Change Now

Its time for ash and rahim to move up the order to numbers 4 and 5 if we are going to have any hope in the future these two are our best players and they need to face as much as the bowloing as possible especially as our tail can not bat
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Old July 12, 2007, 01:52 AM
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I agree ..... maybe have Rahim at 5 and Ash at 4.... and maybe put one of these players at 7 Tamim /Aftab / Reza/Tushar

1. N.Iqbal
2. Omar
3. Saleh
4. Ashraful
5. Rahim
6. Nafees
7.Tamim /Aftab/Reza/Tushar
8. Mashrafe
9. Rafique
10. Rasel/Enamul/Razzak
11. Shahadat
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Old July 12, 2007, 03:20 AM
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yuup i also agree, heres my test team
JO
tamim
rajin
ash
mushfiq
nafees
sakib
mashrafe
rafique
shahadath
3rd seamer/2nd spinner
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Old July 12, 2007, 03:21 AM
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every time the team fails, you guys come up with a proposal of a new team. do you really think that a new set of players will solve all the problems?
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Old July 12, 2007, 03:26 AM
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every time the team fails, you guys come up with a proposal of a new team. do you really think that a new set of players will solve all the problems?
Spot on. Changing the players is not a solutions at all, the system needs to be changed.
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Old July 12, 2007, 03:50 AM
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Spot on. Changing the players is not a solutions at all, the system needs to be changed.
ya... system should be changed. but even you restructure it right now, something good will come up not earlier than a couple of years. so what should we do till then? our ODI team improved a lot actually by inclusion of some fresh blood with much better potential. shouldnt we give that a thought for our test team too? atleast how worse it can go?
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Old July 12, 2007, 04:54 AM
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Sumon,

our ODI team also has big problems, that were eclipsed by the realatively comfortable position in the World cup table. If you go through the WC matches closely, you will find that only one match, against India, was actually well-played, while most of the time, we were getting humiliations.

Fresh blood etc. is no solution. Fresh blood may work in a shorter version of the game. The younger players these days are better skilled; but test matches need much more concentration and patience. If a player has the combination of skills, fitness, technique, mental toughness and attitude, he can play, no matter, if he is 14 or 40.

But a blind permutation and combination is certainly not for international cricket. For a good duration of time, cricket is no gamble.
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Old July 12, 2007, 05:24 AM
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Rahim should bat at no.3 and Ashraful at no.5
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Old July 12, 2007, 05:29 AM
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I don't know why the selecters does'nt select tamim his first class average is 40+ and his strike rate is 80+ so tamim is a player who plays shots and also gets runs for it.
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Old July 12, 2007, 06:10 AM
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every time the team fails, you guys come up with a proposal of a new team. do you really think that a new set of players will solve all the problems?
ditto
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Old July 12, 2007, 06:33 AM
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Sumon,

our ODI team also has big problems, that were eclipsed by the realatively comfortable position in the World cup table. If you go through the WC matches closely, you will find that only one match, against India, was actually well-played, while most of the time, we were getting humiliations.

Fresh blood etc. is no solution. Fresh blood may work in a shorter version of the game. The younger players these days are better skilled; but test matches need much more concentration and patience. If a player has the combination of skills, fitness, technique, mental toughness and attitude, he can play, no matter, if he is 14 or 40.

But a blind permutation and combination is certainly not for international cricket. For a good duration of time, cricket is no gamble.
ya... you are right... the best way ofcourse is to groom the young potential players in the longer version domestic games and then give the test cap but what will we do right now? we can go on with the current team and have the same fate every match. i am not asking to change players every other match, but to get a more potential but inexperienced bunch of players.
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Old July 12, 2007, 06:39 AM
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Rahim needs to bat at # 3 ---- the way he ran out of partners really frustrating!! In WC against India he batted at 3 and guided us to a historical victory.
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Old July 12, 2007, 06:59 AM
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They can change batting order or players however they wish but the fact is result will be the same.
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Old July 12, 2007, 07:15 AM
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ya... you are right... the best way ofcourse is to groom the young potential players in the longer version domestic games and then give the test cap but what will we do right now? we can go on with the current team and have the same fate every match. i am not asking to change players every other match, but to get a more potential but inexperienced bunch of players.
The first thing is to improve the FC matches standard and the players must be allowed to build their 'attitude' in those matches. And as you have pointed out grooming the potential players has no alternative; they must be trained well and care must be taken so that a talent is not destroyed because of improperly using him.

for right now, my personal opinion is, the current set of players are enough skilled to keep us alive in the international circuit. Only thing they have to do is to play sensibly. And the management has the responsibility to ensure that they can do it. After a failure, the management just does some permutations and combinations in the team. That is absolutely a rubbish idea. In stead, they must make things easier for the players. Try to maintain a stable team. When a change is needed, dont make it looking like a big issue, make everyone feel like a part of the team, irrespective of being in the playing 11 or not. Make them feel home and that should produce the maxm of result.
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Old July 12, 2007, 07:37 AM
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Pretty simple and clear as water, no change matters. All batsmen are on the same boat regardless of their techniques and soundness (which is not test cricket standard). The main problem lies on structure and failure of ur cricket authorities to restructure a professional leage. BCB totally failed and try to decieve us, million of dollars were not used for cricket development but for 'other reasons'.
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Old July 12, 2007, 07:49 AM
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Pretty simple and clear as water, no change matters. All batsmen are on the same boat regardless of their techniques and soundness (which is not test cricket standard). The main problem lies on structure and failure of ur cricket authorities to restructure a professional leage. BCB totally failed and try to decieve us, million of dollars were not used for cricket development but for 'other reasons'.
and thats why they came to BCB. so their goal is fulfilled. aha, koto taka, free bideh vromon. who cares about infrastructure, future planning, game development.
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Old July 12, 2007, 10:59 AM
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Sumon,

our ODI team also has big problems, that were eclipsed by the realatively comfortable position in the World cup table. If you go through the WC matches closely, you will find that only one match, against India, was actually well-played, while most of the time, we were getting humiliations.

Fresh blood etc. is no solution. Fresh blood may work in a shorter version of the game. The younger players these days are better skilled; but test matches need much more concentration and patience. If a player has the combination of skills, fitness, technique, mental toughness and attitude, he can play, no matter, if he is 14 or 40.

But a blind permutation and combination is certainly not for international cricket. For a good duration of time, cricket is no gamble.
Spot on.
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Old July 12, 2007, 11:21 AM
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one series is not a reason to do a complete overhaul of our team. the tail failed miserably against the combined firepower of murali and malinga. i don't blame them at all; the top 6 should worry about scoring runs. when u are 50-5, i personally wouldn't want the tail to carry us even to 400 all out.

rajin will not always struggle to a 30 ball duck...murali is a special beast altogether. thus i propose that our current Test XI be as follows (in batting order):

1 SN
2 Nafees Iqbal/Mehrab Jr
3 Mushy
4 Rajin
5 Ash
6 Sakib
7 Aftab
8 Mashrafee
9 Rafique/if Rasel, then at #10
10 Shahadat
11 Enamul

12th Tushar/Alok
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Old July 12, 2007, 09:53 PM
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I agree ..... maybe have Rahim at 5 and Ash at 4.... and maybe put one of these players at 7 Tamim /Aftab / Reza/Tushar

1. N.Iqbal
2. Omar
3. Saleh
4. Ashraful
5. Rahim
6. Nafees
7.Tamim /Aftab/Reza/Tushar
8. Mashrafe
9. Rafique
10. Rasel/Enamul/Razzak
11. Shahadat
Nafees iqbal? What has he done to get a spot into your team? Tamim at 7? WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?!
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Old July 12, 2007, 10:10 PM
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1/2.Mehrab/Nafis Iqbal/SN (Any 2)
3.Mushi 4.Ash 5.Aftab 6.Tamim (The best talents we got, why mess with it?)
7.Sakib/Reza
8.Mashrafe 9.Shahadat (The best bowlers we got, why mess with it?)
10/11: Rafiq/Enamul/Rasel/Unknown speedstar (Any 2)
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