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Old August 31, 2007, 07:23 AM
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Default expectation vs reality

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/engv...ry/309128.html

stuart broad just had a clutch performance and yet his father cautions that the young all rounder should not be touring sri lanka.

he says its too much to expect a 21 year old to score runs and get wickets consistently.

if this is reasonable from a team playing Test cricket for the past 130 years and with possibly the strongest domestic setup known to man, then perhaps it shows why it should be expected that our boys struggle.

this is should be the end of our "they'll never learn..." quips.

of course this all leaves the question of but our 21 year olds have played many more matches than Broad. does that or should that accelerate the maturation process or learning curve???
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Old August 31, 2007, 07:41 AM
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Many of our "21 year olds" aren't 21 year olds in the first place.

Experience doesn't necessarily increase skill. Tushar is no better than what he was 5 years ago.

We "protected" Enamul Haque jnr form Indians 3 years ago. What good did it do? We are yet to see the result.
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Old August 31, 2007, 08:57 AM
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We too will be able to afford such luxuries in the not too distant future Inshallah, a decade after BCB reformats domestic cricket from the school to the FC level, and takes bold steps to enhance the overall quality of the game.

Until then, it's all about recognizing genuine talent, setting them up for success the best we can, so that they can learn to harness that talent and apply what they've harnessed on the pitch, and everyone else having the patience and wherewithal to let them learn on the job.
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Old August 31, 2007, 09:18 AM
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I had to comment on few comments by our respectable knowledgeable members who can foresee our future and dream for a better cricketing nation. Sometimes I wonder if they could have contributed or head organizations like BCB, things could have been different. Few days ago, I was talking with a person, engineer by profession with very successful records from engineering school, mentioning how their colleagues with less credibility are running organizations. Our faithful politicians did enough damage to our whole country system by engaging ineligible individuals to run the country. Should we have any expectations from these people who are elected to run these organizations, not because of their merit or hardwork but for being government's marrionette?
sometimes I wish BanglaCricket and its members' intellectuality, devosion could have helped BD cricket improve much better than our current BD cricket administrator.
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Old August 31, 2007, 07:09 PM
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Many of our "21 year olds" aren't 21 year olds in the first place.

Experience doesn't necessarily increase skill. Tushar is no better than what he was 5 years ago.

We "protected" Enamul Haque jnr form Indians 3 years ago. What good did it do? We are yet to see the result.
our 21 year olds are close enough to 21... ie they are closer to 21 than say 27...

why bring tushar as your golden example?
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Old August 31, 2007, 07:11 PM
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We "protected" Enamul Haque jnr form Indians 3 years ago. What good did it do? We are yet to see the result.
enam has played just 2 tests in two years punctuated by 13 months...anybody would struggle. and also there the fact that he bowled on flat pitches. those same matches, was rafique pulling in 5-fers consistently? secondly, what kind of total did our batsmen give to enam?
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Tushar is not the only example. You can replace Tushar with any of Rokon, Hannan, Sezan et al.

What I meant is there is not much solid reason behind "protecting" youngsters. At the end it comes down to whether the team can afford such luxury or not. Playing their debut test series at India didn't hurt Panesar or Cook's career. Sachin was thrown at the lion's den at very early age, it paid off. Kambli had more domestic cricket experience before his debut, but what happened to his international career?

About Broad: as they can afford to play the test series in Srilanka without him, maybe they should. But it wouldn't make sense to keep him out of the ODI series in Srilanka (if there's any, I don't know the schedule).

On the age issue: Majority of our ordinary "certificate 21"s are 22-23. Given our sports culture and love for cheap success, I wouldn't be surprised if the age level administrators/organizers/coaching staff try to stretch the age limit as much as possible. So many of them would be close to 25. Take Shanto, JO as example. They have been around forever, and weren't exactly known as teen prodigy when they started out. At present, they are barely over 30!
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Many of our "21 year olds" aren't 21 year olds in the first place.
abe...who gives a **** whether they are really 21 years old or not. why do we continue to bring that **** up in spite of the fact that it has nothing to do with their performance. contrastingly - experience, the amount of cricket they have played, has everything to do with it.
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Many of our "21 year olds" aren't 21 year olds in the first place.

Experience doesn't necessarily increase skill. Tushar is no better than what he was 5 years ago.

We "protected" Enamul Haque jnr form Indians 3 years ago. What good did it do? We are yet to see the result.
1 LOL to that

2. true...every player in BDESH loses his skills after getting {hope the new kids wont sakib tamim reza musfiQ...}

3 what save from indians???? can u rite me bak pls
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Old August 31, 2007, 09:36 PM
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Tushar is not the only example. You can replace Tushar with any of Rokon, Hannan, Sezan et al.

What I meant is there is not much solid reason behind "protecting" youngsters. At the end it comes down to whether the team can afford such luxury or not. Playing their debut test series at India didn't hurt Panesar or Cook's career. Sachin was thrown at the lion's den at very early age, it paid off. Kambli had more domestic cricket experience before his debut, but what happened to his international career?

About Broad: as they can afford to play the test series in Srilanka without him, maybe they should. But it wouldn't make sense to keep him out of the ODI series in Srilanka (if there's any, I don't know the schedule).

On the age issue: Majority of our ordinary "certificate 21"s are 22-23. Given our sports culture and love for cheap success, I wouldn't be surprised if the age level administrators/organizers/coaching staff try to stretch the age limit as much as possible. So many of them would be close to 25. Take Shanto, JO as example. They have been around forever, and weren't exactly known as teen prodigy when they started out. At present, they are barely over 30!
much better post this time around. valid points all...cannot disagree.

but your first post was garbage, with all due respect.
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abe...who gives a **** whether they are really 21 years old or not. why do we continue to bring that **** up in spite of the fact that it has nothing to do with their performance. contrastingly - experience, the amount of cricket they have played, has everything to do with it.
We should care whether they are listing proper age or not. Because success achieved at age level cricket raises our hope, and then disappointment becomes much worse when they can't get anywhere close to our expectation.
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perhaps there would come a personality cricketer amongst the present generation who would be truly world class. like how imran khan used to be for the pakistan team. once this happens, the rest would simply learn to aspire for better displays on the pitch.
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We "protected" Enamul Haque jnr form Indians 3 years ago. What good did it do? We are yet to see the result.
I though he ripped those helpless Zimbos apart a month later. Plus I bet if he was on the end of that Tendu 220 or Dravid 180 his confidence would have went down the drain.
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He would get those wickets against them anyway. The opposition was neither high in skill or confidence. As a better skilled opponent he has always done well against the Zimbos. Even if he was a bit shaky at start, rest of our bowling attack was good enough to contain them. So finding back rhythm was unlikely to be a serious issue.
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We should care whether they are listing proper age or not. Because success achieved at age level cricket raises our hope, and then disappointment becomes much worse when they can't get anywhere close to our expectation.
point taken. we do tend to give up on our youngsters rather early though - see hannan, nafis, kapali et al. those 3 probably are the only ones from previous teams capable of making it into the current test and odi teams - since our current batch of youth is visibly better. i hope we stick with them.
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if they are rubbish its not difficult to give up on them.
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