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Old January 15, 2008, 01:57 PM
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Default Hoping an invitation to the Pre SA series training camp!!

I am hoping the training camp at home would include a group of 25+ players. Then there would a cut of 15. This is the time where our National coach can watch some of our promising players that he has yet to see.

We already know the boys JS wants to go war with. They are:
1. ZSiddique
2. Tamim
3. Ash
4. Aftab
5. Shakib
6. Mushi
7. Mash
8. Shahadat
9. Rasel
10. Bashar (not sure)
11. Abdur Razzak (ODI)
12. Enam Jr. (test - home conditions)

13. Rafique will be in.
14. Sajidul will be in.
15. Forhad Reza will be in the 25.
Now comes the hard part who else needs to be invited in the training camp? May be you can help narrow down the players/performers?

16. Imrul Kayes and 17. Nazimuddin should be invited for their overall performance in NCL. 2 more slots for bowlers. That puts the total count of 19. May be you can decide which six would get the call. See the table below, may be that would help you determine whom you choose.

50+ scoresSBNS (Mirpur)BSSRAS (Chittagong)Overall NCL stats (FC + list A)
BatsmanRuns FCRuns List AFCList AInnRunsAvg100's50's
Al Shahriar Rokon922246822.292
Anwar Hossain62652248423.053
Arafat Salauddin682753120.423
Dhiman Ghosh6626704324
Ehsanul Haq1175678572690037.515
Foysal Hossain D86525191*2375939.956
Gazi Salauddin13894602157227.2412
Golam Mabud1102681835.5726
Hannan Sarkar852546418.563
Imran Ahmed502661726.834
Jahirul Islam892868426.315
Javed Omar Belim1011744326.061
Kamrul Islam Emon78*816723.861
Khaled Mashud522363827.745
Mahbubul Karim612363827.745
Mahmudullah Riyad816550522679035.916
Masumuddowla1181132329.3610
Md. Sharif572323812.531
Mehrab Hossain jr6251*1755639.713
Mosharaf Hossain7269512555327.653
Mohammad Shahzada1091731120.731
Mushfiqur Rahman50*2757726.234
Mustafizur Rahman781749228.943
Nadif Chowdhury5051*1738529.623
Nafees Iqbal501531850129.4712
Nasiruddin Faruq61551237634.184
Nayeem Islam1043078232.5815
Nazmul Hossain Milon95931133341.632
Nazmus Sadat9192*2477833.836
Raquibul Hasan562996935.8917
Shakil Haider95930033.333
Shamsur Rahman661642630.434
Tapash Baishya501214812.332
Those who did perform good in NCL but not have a fifty in these particular venues
Alok Kapali2897034.6424
Imtiaz Hossain2776628.3723
Tushar Imran1668642.8814
Forhad Hossain2359026.8212
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Old January 15, 2008, 02:02 PM
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One word: Kapali should be in. He should get the chance!!
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Old January 15, 2008, 02:07 PM
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One word: Kapali should be in. He should get the chance!!
That is more like saying, "I am a Kapali fan". Rubu koi?

Which other five do you think should get a call?
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Old January 15, 2008, 02:19 PM
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tushar will be one of em...
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For me, these six deserve a chance to go to the camp:

1. Dhiman (The golden boy need some competition)
2. Raqibul (Consistent performer. Maybe a year away from the national team but JS should take a look at him now)
3. Kapali (Performed well, deserve a chance)
4. Shezan (One of the top three scorer for last few NCL, maybe he turned the corner)
5. Tushar (We are just talking about the camp)
6. Nazmus Sadat/ Mehrab jr/ Mahmudullah Riyad/ Nafees Iqbal (One of these four. They weren't consistent enough but all of them are talented no doubt.)
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Old January 15, 2008, 03:31 PM
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For me, these six deserve a chance to go to the camp:

1. Dhiman (The golden boy need some competition)
2. Raqibul (Consistent performer. Maybe a year away from the national team but JS should take a look at him now)
3. Kapali (Performed well, deserve a chance)
4. Shezan (One of the top three scorer for last few NCL, maybe he turned the corner)
5. Tushar (We are just talking about the camp)
6. Nazmus Sadat/ Mehrab jr/ Mahmudullah Riyad/ Nafees Iqbal (One of these four. They weren't consistent enough but all of them are talented no doubt.)



1 - check
2 - check
3 - check, sort of
4 - no way, is this ehsanul haque? i don't think talentless players from the pre-whatmore era belong (i.e tushar, rokon, alok keeps failing he'll be in this cat. too)
5 - no, but i suppose he deserves a last chance, camp is OK, and only if JS sees genuine skills in him then he should get a call up to final XV
6 - id go with NI, mehrab, riyad, and NS in that order.
7 - ziar rahman/dollar for the camp only. for JS to scout them out.
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25 player r too many. I think JS will call for 20.
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Old January 15, 2008, 03:34 PM
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And Kapali, jr., Tusher, That spinner (ref by rafiq), NI should get the call
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i'd turn it more into a development camp for a week before the real training camp begins, someone in another thread suggested resting the current national players for a week and i agree with that. this means they can add a few more players to the overall camp numbers. have a few extra the first week just so siddons can take a look at a few more players, then after a week cut a few players. without the national players you could have about 15 players in the first week (maybe even 20 if you make cuts more than once), then cut 10 of them after the first week and bring the national players back into the squad. this would leave siddons with about 20 players to choose from and work with for the upcoming series.
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i'd turn it more into a development camp for a week before the real training camp begins, someone in another thread suggested resting the current national players for a week and i agree with that. this means they can add a few more players to the overall camp numbers. have a few extra the first week just so siddons can take a look at a few more players, then after a week cut a few players. without the national players you could have about 15 players in the first week, then cut 10 of them after the first week and bring the national players back into the squad. this would leave siddons with about 20 players to choose from and work with for the upcoming series.
Very good idea. now some one needs to forward this message to BCB.

I am afraid BCB might go their old route to save some money...
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Old January 15, 2008, 04:05 PM
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4 - no way, is this ehsanul haque? i don't think talentless players from the pre-whatmore era belong (i.e tushar, rokon, alok keeps failing he'll be in this cat. too)
First of all, it is kinda risky to assume someone is talentless when we haven't seen him bat since 2003. I have seen many batsmen who may seem like a fish out of water in their early days but has turned it around since then. There is something called second chance. I believe he deserves to be called in the camp atleast after consistent performances in the NCL years after years. Let JS decide whether he has the tools to cut it or not. It is just a training camp after all.
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First of all, it is kinda risky to assume someone is talentless when we haven't seen him bat since 2003. I have seen many batsmen who may seem like a fish out of water in their early days but has turned it around since then. There is something called second chance. I believe he deserves to be called in the camp atleast after consistent performances in the NCL years after years. Let JS decide whether he has the tools to cut it or not. It is just a training camp after all.
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4 - no way, is this ehsanul haque? i don't think talentless players from the pre-whatmore era belong (i.e tushar, rokon, alok keeps failing he'll be in this cat. too)
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I like several things about Ehsan.
#1 He is the only one among the rejects to score 50's on both ground in FC. (those are the ground where we would face SA)
#2 He is a captain of a divisional side, that gives me the notion he understands the game of cricket.
#3 He is older than most of peers and has been playing well for few years now.
#4 We are talking about the training camp first. Once he is in the coach would decide if he has that "it" in him. We are talking about facing SA in dead pitches like SBNS and Chittagong (his home town). Did you notice how well Bell adjusted after a long absence for NZ?

Gazi Salauddin did fairly well too. That is another guy I would think can be in the practice squad and get benefited from Siddons evaluations. And ofcourse, Sadat!!
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we need grafter and players who have played for a while. these kids in ntl doesn't even understand cricket. I think any one who is scoring heavily should be given a chance. yeah bring back decens too if he is up for it.
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what do you guys think of shafaq al jabir.
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what do you guys think of shafaq al jabir.
He is very tall.
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i am surprised that people are still rooting for Tushar and kapali... they are many people in the league who performed in a similar manner! Why not give them a chance.
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That is more like saying, "I am a Kapali fan". Rubu koi?

Which other five do you think should get a call?
Yes I'm Kapali fan as u can see from my fav. palyers list, but thats not the point. Here I listed five whom should be called up for SA training camp:

Batsman:
1) Kapali (performed well both with bat and ball in NCL, moreover experienced in international level, this guy deserves some chances)

2) Tusar (To me he hasn't proved his potentiality what he possessed, could be to much nervousness and pressure to keep place in the national team spoiled his chances)

3) Gulam Mabud (Outstanding batting performance from 26 innings with 2 X 100's and 6 X 50's, thats something to consider)

* I don't justify batsman with particular venue, it s more the consistency of batsman regardless of venue.

Bowler:
1) Rafiq's pick(what was his name?), anyway when Rafiq noticed something(there must be something ) in him and the NCL performance, could be checked out.

2)Rubel (His performance with under 19 is awesome, can be a valuable option for future, so could be checked in the camp)
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He is very tall.
didn't know that i guess. no, i was just asking cause he is very economical and his 1st class and list a bowling averages are impressive
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didn't know that i guess. no, i was just asking cause he is very economical and his 1st class and list a bowling averages are impressive
Not an effective wickt taker, not pacey either. There was a time he was in competition with Rasel for the left arm medium pacer spot in the national team, but at the end Rasel had beaten him in the race by a big margin. Shafaq is not in the picture even for academy now.
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didn't know that i guess. no, i was just asking cause he is very economical and his 1st class and list a bowling averages are impressive
oh..i see! Yes, he is very eco in list- A, but apparently he doesn't have much pace and probably cant swim the ball as good as...say...Rasel.
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What's wrong with Siddons? He says that he will keep this team upto 2 years.He says that this is the best team( including haba,mushy, Nafees,Enamul). I don't get it. I simply don't get it. When a player doesn't have form or can't perofrm, then he should be replaced by another player.

I don't know whether Siddons will pick Rasel,Masud,Rafique, or Riyad. These players are excellently good. Plus, Siddons can look at the NCL performers, he could find better players than we have in our national team.
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What's wrong with Siddons? ....
Don't take his words literaly. He never mentioned any names. That is how a confident coach would say things about his approach. I am certain within two years there will some changes. Actually in the next test you will see some changes. Just be patient. Nothing is wrong with him.

You create a system. Then you tweak it every now and then to get maximum output. That is what he going to do. Nafees and Mushi is fine. They will have a better series at home. Habibul and Nazmul may not be there.
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rassel might be still out for SA series. Ittefaq reported that his shoulder injury is better now but that old ankel injury is giving him trouble. Remember that injury occurred when he stepped on the rope before the WC-irland game.
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Batsman:
1) Kapali (performed well both with bat and ball in NCL, moreover experienced in international level, this guy deserves some chances)

2) Tusar (To me he hasn't proved his potentiality what he possessed, could be to much nervousness and pressure to keep place in the national team spoiled his chances)
1. This is what Siddons said about Javed Omar Belim: "Whats the use of experience if you dont have the ability?". Kapali and Tushar fall in the same category. Just because they played for many games for the national team with nothing to brag about, and when there are several performers at the NCL with similar outcome, Kapali/Tushar have very little chances to come back.

2. What potential? He got some real gold inside him right? Really, if a goose got some golden egg inside but never lays it out, whats the point of even talking about? Its all about pressure when it comes to playing for the national team. Pressure due to unknown condition, weather, pitch, facing unknown bowlers, bowling style, huge expectation from coach, fans, media etc etc etc. But it really comes down to the ability to survive under pressure and deliver the goods. Either you dont have the right ability or you cant perform: either way you cant survive for too long. Looking at the last 3 series (and even earlier times) as how Tushar performed, it is obvious he does not have the "it" in him to become an international player. Play him for 3 years non stop, and there is good chance Tushar will never reach even a 20 average.
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