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Old November 4, 2007, 11:22 PM
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Default failures of the so-called stars...

I am quite dissappointed and frustrated to see that most of national team players, indeed the vast majority, are struggling in the NCL so far. through 5 innings no batter, except shakib, has scored consistently. i don't care if mushfiq babu or pilot are scoring runs because they are not the guys that are the future of our team.

one lone innings of 70 or 80 odd out of five innings doesn't count. of course the bowlers are really not that much of a problem, plus mashrafee and rasel are doing OK.

if our batsmen cannot score bowlers against the likes of rubel, dollar, or poisha how will they fare against bond, franklin, and vettori?

of course i am factoring in that the national team players play with some more zeal on tours than they do during the domestics, hence their stats are roughly the same between FC and Test averages.
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Old November 4, 2007, 11:31 PM
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yeah it is a bit of an issue, the national team players should be dominating domestic cricket. ashraful is the most disappointing though, the guy should be scoring centuries and/or double centuries consistently. i don't know what his attitude is like but based on his talent all i can assume is that he doesn't take things very seriously otherwise he would be scoring as consistently as shakib has this season or better. and the fact that there's only been 2 centuries in 3 rounds of FC matches is pretty much a disgrace for the leading domestic competition in a test nation. how do they expect to be competitive internationally if they don't even score the way they need to in international cricket in domestic cricket?

i mean there have been a few decently consistent players e.g. mehrab jr, jahirul islam, nazimuddin and obviously shakib has done well but they're still not quite up to par with where things need to be.
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Old November 5, 2007, 01:41 AM
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gowza, are you a bengali who lives in australia or a real native (white) australian?

cuz if its the latter, then you're pretty impressive in your following of BD cricket, right up there with James and Ian.
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i'm a white australian, bangladesh imo are a team of the future and i just find it really interesting to follow BD cricket. problem is over in australia we don't get to see much of the BD national team and obviously we don't get to see the domestic comps so it's kind of difficult to judge a players talent because for most of them all i have are their stats. i'm new to BD cricket though and this forum has helped a lot in educating me about BD cricket.
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Old November 5, 2007, 01:54 AM
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wow these aussie visitors in the forums are quite impressive.
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Old November 5, 2007, 10:01 PM
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And all these times I was thinking what a nick, wtg mate
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Old November 5, 2007, 11:16 PM
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Reality check for our "jodi laigga jay" way to cricket ...

Coach Siddons couldn't get here soon enough.
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The truth is ... most of our national players have never been consistent on the domestic circuit...So its not too difficult to understand why they arent consistent on the international circuit..
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Old November 6, 2007, 05:08 AM
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The truth is ... most of our national players have never been consistent on the domestic circuit...So its not too difficult to understand why they arent consistent on the international circuit..
The awful truth ...
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Old November 6, 2007, 09:22 AM
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as you all know that selectors even looking out very closely regarding the performances of players in NCL. If they really determine to take players based on NCL performance, they will have a difficult time selecting key players especially key batsmen for the upcoming tour. Do you guys think our selectors should really determine their selection process on NCL performance? Not sure if the coach is already observing the performance especially for our batsmen. I still recommend after preliminary selection we should create teams from 30 preliminary squad and play some more matches (like A team and B team) to do the final selection.
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Old November 6, 2007, 09:44 AM
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Hello SS,
In my humble opinion, I don't think the selectors have any choice but to select player from their gutt feelings (best 11). The bench players may be some of the performers in the NCL.

No one put their hands up for opener slots as of yet. I patiently wait to see Ash, Aftab coming back to form. The oldies are no better than the newbies with the vast experience they have. Sometimes worse than the teenagers. I hope Nazimuddin gets a chance in ODIs.
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SN has been the biggest disappointment so far. Ashraful hasn't scored anything yet. but its good to see junayed, tamim, sakib are scoring.
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Old November 6, 2007, 09:58 AM
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as you all know that selectors even looking out very closely regarding the performances of players in NCL. If they really determine to take players based on NCL performance, they will have a difficult time selecting key players especially key batsmen for the upcoming tour. Do you guys think our selectors should really determine their selection process on NCL performance?
Domestic league performances are generally used as a selection criterion for national team fringe players (in our case - Tamim, Alok, Tushar, Rajin, Mehrab Jr, Enamul Jr, Mushfiq, Farhad, etc) or youngsters that are pushing for a national team spot (Zunaed, Nazim, Riyad, Raqibul, Dollar, etc). It's also an important factor for under threat senior players (Javed, Bashar, Mashud). But selectors generally don't discard national team core players (SN, Aftab, Ashraful, Sakib, Mashrafe, Rafique, Razzak, Rasel, and Shahadat) based on domestic league performances, it's a standard practice all over the world.

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Old November 6, 2007, 04:43 PM
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I hope Nazimuddin gets a chance in ODIs.
nazimuddin's innings against pakistan seems more and more a fluke. he hasn't scored a decent innings yet since that match.

SN's failings are a cause for concern, though i would still prolly take him in our Test team.

I think it is the endless cycle of having few "in form" batting options which is making it seem like a good idea to insert junaid and imrul into our ODI XI.

i think this is doable. our best shot at winning anything comes in the ODIs and we have to take some calculated risks here. besides, playing one dayers at age 20 should not ruin the careers of this players if they have the determination to have a Test career.

so we should keep Junaid, Imrul and others out of the test lineup but play them in ODIs provided they keep their form for another couple weeks.
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This really is disappointing. All these years coaches have been asking for grassy wickets, so that our batsmen can become more competitive in the international arena. I dont know how the wickets are this season, but it definitely is not doing any good. We need these guys (Our so called stars) to get runs and get their confidence up. Seems like they are repeating the mistakes they make in Test matches.
Meanwhile in India, even the B team Batsmen have healthy averages. Its all about technique and application. Maybe our guys have the technique, but they just lack the intelligence and what it takes to do well in First Class cricket.
We have to be patient, these things take time. But there is definitely no excuse for making the same mistake over and over again. Yes i am talking about the likes of Ashraful.
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Old November 7, 2007, 03:55 AM
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This really is disappointing. All these years coaches have been asking for grassy wickets, so that our batsmen can become more competitive in the international arena. I dont know how the wickets are this season, but it definitely is not doing any good. We need these guys (Our so called stars) to get runs and get their confidence up. Seems like they are repeating the mistakes they make in Test matches.
Meanwhile in India, even the B team Batsmen have healthy averages. Its all about technique and application. Maybe our guys have the technique, but they just lack the intelligence and what it takes to do well in First Class cricket.
We have to be patient, these things take time. But there is definitely no excuse for making the same mistake over and over again. Yes i am talking about the likes of Ashraful.
Two rounds and Ashraful is an inconsistent performer in NCL? He saved a match Dhaka whice he gets no credit for since he's our demi god and supposed to score 300 every match. A 40 average over 25 matches is really impressive and after all he comes through when we really need him. He single handedly or helped us beat the WI, SA, Australia, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and dominated the bowling attacks of India and England. But the fans Vent always has to go to Ash.

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Old November 7, 2007, 06:19 AM
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JO.. should be included. i think most of our players can surprise us apart from of course players like Basher n pilot..
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nazimuddin's innings against pakistan seems more and more a fluke. he hasn't scored a decent innings yet since that match...
You are not following the NCL (4 day). He is the second in scoring runs after Shakib. Don't make Twenty/20 as a barometer of anything.
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Jeesh criticized Ashraful to which Cricman replied as such:

Two rounds and Ashraful is an inconsistent performer in NCL? He saved a match Dhaka whice he gets no credit for since he's our demi god and supposed to score 300 every match. A 40 average over 25 matches is really impressive and after all he comes through when we really need him. He single handedly or helped us beat the WI, SA, Australia, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and dominated the bowling attacks of India and England. But the fans Vent always has to go to Ash.


I agree! Ashraful is supposed to be the SHINING STARin the BD team. When he goes out to bat, he is always supposed to score a great innings, if he does not, then he is bashed by the fans for his failures.
He is a human being and too much burden has been placed on his young shoulders since I witnessed him scoring that dazzling Test century in Sept.2001 in Sri Lanka when he was a mere lad just 17 yrs old. For Bangladesh, a star was born, but that star who is still holds the record of being the youngest Test centurion, could not deliver that brilliance all the time because he was also scared of failing. At this age, instead of carrying this burden, he should have been having fun playing cricket, but at this stage, a whole nation depended upon him and it had become an ordeal for him, so much so that he did begin to fail. How many cricketers below the age of 22 can dream of having scored 4 Test centuries, muchless playing Test cricket.

It is amazing that so many times, he has reinvented himself and came through and delivered for Bangladesh . But now, it will be harder for him because he is the young captain, and when the team fails, then he is blamed for it.
He was instrumental in the victories against 2 super teams e.g. Australia and South Africa. I was fortunate and thank Allah to give me the opportunity to witness these matches, where I saw his brilliance with the bat.
In Guyana, he entertained a huge homecrowd with his elegant and entertaining stroke play, it changed the whole tempo of the game, because BD batted first, the crowd got their money's worth watching Ashraful and all Guyanese fell in love with him because he mesmerized them.they could not believe that a little lad could rip apart the SA bowling attack and send all those balls to the boundary.
He also entertained the crowd recently in South Africa, though I must say that Aftab also shared that with him.. He has made the rest of the world take notice of BD cricket and why it is such an exciting team to watch.
Fans, pls do not start writing off Ashraful, this is the same Ash who has mesmerized us with his brilliance. He still has it in him to do so again and again.

I am a die hard fan of his and I must write this to defend him.

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You are not following the NCL (4 day). He is the second in scoring runs after Shakib. Don't make Twenty/20 as a barometer of anything.
completely slipped my attention...had no idea nazim was doing so well there. thanks
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The truth is ... most of our national players have never been consistent on the domestic circuit...So its not too difficult to understand why they arent consistent on the international circuit..
I have to agree with this, like Sohel bhai.

I guess the good thing is that NCL is slowly becoming more competitive. Our reserve strength is growing steadily. This is important for creating pressure on the national team batsmen. Our infrastructure for domestic cricket is growing slowly, we have to be patient with it because this a gradual process.
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NCL will continue to be kind of useless tournament unless selectors start rewarding the NCL peformers and penalizing NCL non-peformers during their national team selection.

I understand NCL performace cannot be the sole criteria, but is has to be a significant part of the selection process...otherwise no one will take this seriously.

There is a risk using NCL performace in the selection process in short term, but not doing so makes more damage to our system in long run. So I think we need to bite the bullet now and make it more more meaningful and significant while selecting our national team.

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NCL will continue to be kind of useless tournament unless selectors start rewarding the NCL peformers and penalizing NCL non-peformers during their national team selection.

I understand NCL performace cannot be the sole criteria, but is has to be a significant part of the selection process...otherwise no one will take this seriously.

There is a risk using NCL performace in the selection process in short term, but not doing so makes more damage to our system in long run. So I think we need to bite the bullet now and make it more more meaningful and significant while selecting our national team.
they are. BCB declared that national team players' contracts will expire and that for the first time, NCL performance will dictate the contracts that players get.

which is why its all the more frustrating to see our super star players perform so calously.
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It had been told before start of the National Cricket League that performance in the first-class competition would be the yardstick for selection of the upcoming New Zealand tour.

But the fact is the first three rounds have hardly produced anything encouraging for the new selection committee led by Rafiqul Alam. Apart from Shakib Al Hasan, most of the national batsmen's performance has been a real concern.

The preliminary squad for the demanding tour is expected to be announced within a week just as formality as the three-member selection panel is actually working on the final squad. The final team will be named after discussion with new national coach Jamie Siddons, the Australian who is due to join on November 19.

The national cricketers will be able to play two more rounds in the competition before going into the camp from November 27 and the next three weeks would be a real testing time.

"We have been working on the final squad but the fact is that our national cricketers, especially the top batsmen, haven't reached our expectation so far," said Rafiqul.

"We expected a lot of batting coming from them but they have failed to impress. I can single out only one player, Shakib, who has impressed me most.

"Our batsmen have been struggling to occupy the crease for long periods even on dead wickets. How can they cope with the tough conditions in New Zealand then?" questioned the former national cricketer.

Left-handed Shakib has been consistent by scoring 313 runs in six innings including one hundred and three fifties but his other national colleagues simply looked out of sorts in the longer-version matches. Even captain (Mohammad) Ashraful has scored just one half century in four innings.

The focus is also on former national skipper Habibul Bashar and left-handed opener Shahriar Nafees but both the batsmen have not been convincing enough in their bid of returning to form.

Khulna skipper Bashar slammed two half-centuries in six innings while his Barisal counterpart Nafees has one fifty but chief selector Rafiqul believes that this should not be the standard performance of Test players.

"They have to make big scores consistently to show the difference with the others. Among the other players, Imrul (Kayes) played two good knocks but he has a long way to go. Left-arm pacer Sajidul Islam proved that he could be a good longer-version bowler but still, I can't say we have found a few exceptional players," he explained.

He, however, highly praised pace spearhead Mashrafe Bin Mortaza. "He is really special."

Gazi Ashraf Hossain Lipu, former national skipper turned chairman of the cricket operations committee, was also frustrated by the national players' performance.

"It's the selectors who ultimately decide the team but I am not happy with the top players so far. Our strike bowlers have been good but the batsmen have not," Lipu observed.

"The next two rounds are very crucial for them and it's high time to comeback with the selection coming soon. If they struggled against this kind of bowling it would be difficult when they will face a much better attack from the Kiwis in unfamiliar conditions."

Lipu was not ready to blame the pitches for poor batting.

"I think conditions of the pitches have gradually improved after the first round and the important thing is that no one can say that conditions were too difficult to score runs," he added.

The board has improved the facilities and financial package for the cricketers this year to better the standard of domestic cricket but only players can make it worthy with their performances.

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Dont worry, our players will rise to the occasion.

Ostader mair shesh raite.

Ekhon kheila luv ki?
NZ er mathe giya unara khelben.
Ekhon to onno der ke khelassen.
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