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Old January 18, 2008, 02:47 PM
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Default Bangladesh needs to change the National Anthem????

check out sum pure BS

http://horizonspeaks.blogspot.com/20...-national.html

Of late I am coming across several discussions in Bangladesh news sites on whether Bangladesh should change the National Anthem and incorporate a new song from Nazrul Islam. Let me categorize the different kind of discussions I have come across.

1) There are some people who support them with some unbelievable logic. The basic logics are : Tagore was an Indian Bengali. As we hate India and Indian Bengalis, let's scrap the Anthem wrote by an "Indian".

2) Some Indian Bengali came up with "suggestion" that Indian Bengalis and Bangladeshi Bengalis are carrying two different cultures. As Tagore was a poet of the former culture - his poem does not "suite" as National Anthem of Bangladesh. He has got a reply from a Bangladeshi patriot that people of Bangladesh are the proud of Bengali inheritance and they think Tagore belongs to their culture. There are some communal Mullahs who think otherwise, but they are limited in number. Another person responded in a similar tune.

3) There are some people who discuss about the origin of the song and term it as meaningless to retain as a National Anthem. As the song was written in favour of "United Bengal", that is not possible, Bangladesh should reevalute its' decision.

4) There is one scholarly article which talks about how fitting National Anthem Bangladesh has.

I don't understand a simple fact that how can a person like Prof Aftab Ahmed hold an important post as a VC of the National University even after such a proposal. Is the country running short of quality people to lead the nation?

On the topic, I found almost all the criticism to be meaningless. Tagore is the soul of Bengali literature and his poem is the most suitable choice for Bengali nation, Bangladesh. It is quite unfortunate that a few people today are starting to deny their Bengali culture. For the West Bengal person, it's one more example of comments from ignorants. West Bengal no longer inherit Bengali culture at all, they have become Indians. A century later, I doubt there will be many Bengali speaking individuals left in West Bengal. Let the Bengali culture be a property of Bangladesh, it's better for the language, better for Bengali literature.
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Tagore wasnt Indian he was a Bengali in the British Raj if we have to be specific, so number 1 is pure BS.

if we want to did it on lines of birth, India should have a national anthem by Kazi as he was from West Bengal and then Bangladesh have Tagore's anthem, so why wud these people argue for a song by Kazi? the whole article is crap...and as for the last bit about West Bengalis.....lol...someone was high on drugs
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just too much free time in hand....

this is our only national problem at the moment...
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Something profound is happening in Bangladesh - one is the carefree slide towards Western ignorance and bliss as characterized by the abandon joy while endulging in everthing counter religious, and the other being the subtle but sure infiltration of jamaati angle in the hearts and minds of many, even among the educated -cracy and university proffessorships.

The first problem is giving a bad name to secularism - where the urban elite and loser communists sometimes find themselves sleeping together w/o even knowing so. Sigh!

The second development is creating issues like the one you have brought up in this thread.
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Well seriously speaking (i.e. without moshkora), we have too many problems right now - no scratch that, we've had too many problems ever since history was written - to worry about non-issues.
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Robindronath's nationality is irrelevant. The only valid reason I see why people keeps raising the national anthem issue is, the whole song is about shonar bangla, the name Bangladesh is not there. Shonar Bangla represents both Bangla.

Its too late to change. And I love that song.
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আমাদের বর্তমান জাতীয় সঙ্গীত ‘আমার সোনার বাংলা’ গানটির নেপথ্যে পেছনে যে ইতিহাস, তা অনেকেরই অজানা। ১৯০৫ সালে লর্ড কার্জন বাংলাকে ভাগ করেন। পূর্ব বাংলা ও আসাম নিয়ে হয় পুর্ব বাংলা, রাজধানী হয় ঢাকা। অন্যদিকে পশ্চিম বাংলার রাজধানী কলকাতাই বহাল থাকে। ইতিহাসে এই ঘটনা বঙ্গভঙ্গ নামে পরিচিত। বঙ্গভঙ্গের আসল উদ্দেশ্য ছিল প্রশাসনিক সুবিধা ও পূর্ব বাংলার পশ্চাদপদ মুসলমানদের উন্নতি। কিন্তু সেকালের শিক্ষিত হিন্দু সমাজ তা মেনে নিতে পারে নি। কারণ কলকাতার বাবুদের অর্থনেতিক ভাবে যে রমরমা অবস্থা ছিল, তার পেছনে ছিল পূর্ব বাংলার গরিব মুসলমান চাষীদের অবদান। কলকাতার যে শিল্পসমূহ গড়ে ওঠেছিল, সেগুলোরও চালিকা শক্তি ছিল পূর্ব বাংলায় উৎপাদিত কৃষিজ পণ্য। হিন্দু সমাজপতিদের ভয় ছিল, পূর্ব বাংলা বিভক্ত হওয়ার ফলে পূর্ব বাংলার মানুষজন শিক্ষিত হওয়ার সুযোগ পবে। তাই ঢাকায় যখন বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়, কলকারখানা স্থাপিত হয় তারা শঙ্কিত হয়ে পড়ে। বিশেষ করে লর্ড কার্জন যখন ঢাকা বিশ্ববিদ্যালয় স্থাপনের সিদ্ধান্ত নেন, হিন্দুরা এর তীব্র প্রতিবাদ করে। ঠিক্ একই ধরণের বিক্ষোভ প্রকাশ করে হিন্দুরা যখন শেরে বাংলা এ কে ফজলুল হক পুর্ব বাংলার স্নুল-কলেজগুলোর কর্তৃত্ব কলকাতা বিশ্ববিদ্যালয় থেকে ঢাকা বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ে স্থানান্তর করেন । কিন্তু হিন্দুরা ছিল চতুর। তারা তাদের নগ্ন রূপ প্রকাশ করে অন্যভাবে। তারা শুরু করে বঙ্গভঙ্গ রদ আন্দোলন। “বাংলা মাতার মূর্তি বানিয়ে তাকে এক কোপ দিয়ে কেটে রক্তপ্রাবাহিত করে.........” তারা ককলকাতার পত্র-পত্রিকায় এ ধরণের ছবি প্রকাশ করতে থাকে। আর রবি ঠাকুর রচনা করেন আমার সোনার বাংলা। শেষে হিন্দুদের প্রবল চাপের মুখে লর্ড কার্জন নতি স্বীকার করেন এবং ১৯১১ সালে বাংলাকে একত্রিত করে বঙ্গভঙ্গ রদ ঘোষণা করেন।

আপনারা আমার কথা বিশ্বাস না করতে পারেন, তবে রবি ঠাকুরের প্রতি আমার কোন অশ্রদ্ধা নেই। রবীন্দ্র কাব্য আমার পছন্দ ন্য, আমি তার ছোটগল্পের ভক্ত। তার কাব্যে বিশ্বমানবতার যে সুরের কথা বলা হয়, সেটা আমি জানিনা কতটুকু আছে, তবে যদি থাকেও, কবির কাজে সেটা ছিল না। কবির জন্ম ছিল জমিদার পরিবারে, আর জমিদাররা পূর্ব বাংলার চাষীদের উপর যে অত্যাচার করত তার বর্ণনা শরৎচন্দ্রের সাহিত্য ও জমীদার দর্পণে পাওয়া যায় । রবি ঠাকুরের হয়ত বাংলা প্রীতি থাকতে পারে, কিন্তু তিনি সেটা কেন চাইবেন যে পুর্ব বাংলার মানুষজন অশিক্ষিত থাকুক? ঢাকা বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়কে ত তিনি ব্যঙগ করে বলতেন “Mecca University”

এই প্রেক্ষা্পটকে অনেকে সত্য হিসেবে মেনে না নিতে পারেন, কিন্তু আজকের বাংলাদেশ যে অভিবক্ত বাংলা নয়, সেটা তো দিবালোকের মত স্পষ্ট। আজকের বাংলাদেশ ত পুর্ব বাংলা। লাহোর প্রাস্তাবে আসাম ছিলো না। কিন্তু মাওলানা ভাসানী পরে সংগ্রাম করে সিলেট যুক্ত করেন। আজকের স্বাধীন বাংলাদেশের কিছু কিছু বুদ্ধিজীবী আজো জিন্নাহ্রর “Two Nation Theory” বিষেদগার এখনো করে থাকেন, এমন কী সাহিত্যও পড়ানো হয় (সৈয়দ ওয়ালীওল্লাহর ‘একটি তুলসী গাচের আত্মকাহিনী’)। আবার যখন সামাজিক বিজ্ঞান পড়নো হয়, তখন সগৌরবে পড়ানো হয় লাহোর প্রস্তাব। আবার জাতীয় সঙ্গীত “সোনার বাংলা”, যার প্রেক্ষাপটে আমাদের মুক্তিসমরের লেশ মাত্র নেই; কিন্তু বাস্তবে দেখবেন মুক্তি যুেদ্ধর চেতনা বিনষ্ট হল বলে যারা মাথা কুটে মরেন, যারা ৭১ এর ঘাতক দালাল নির্মূল কমিটি বানানোকে জীবনব্রত হিসেবে নিয়েছেন, সেই সকল বুদ্ধিজীবীদের কাছে যদি বর্তমান জাতীয় সঙ্গীতে মুক্তি যুেদ্ধর চেতনা বিষয়টির অনুপস্থিতির কথা তুলে ধরেন, দেখবেন নিশ্চুপ থাকবে, যেন ভাজা মাছটি উল্টে খেতে জানে না। এগুলোকি স্ববিরোধী আচরণ নয়?

নজরুল এবং রবীন্দ্রনাথের জাতীয়তা নিয়ে ধারণাটি স্পষ্ট হওয়া দরকার। রবীন্দ্রনাথ ভারতীয়, এতে কোন দ্বিমত নেই। জন্মসূত্রে নজরুল ভারতীয় হতে পারেন, কিন্তু স্বাধীনতার পর কবিকে ঢাকায় এনে বাংলাদেশের নাগরিকত্ব দেয়া হয়। তাই কবি কাজী নজরুল ইসলাম বাংলাদেশী এবং নিঃসন্দেহে।

এত আলোচনার পরও আমি মনে করি জাতীয় সঙ্গীত বিষয়ক প্রশ্নের জবাব দেয়ার সময় এখন নয় বাংলাদেশের। দেশের অর্থনীতি যেখনে করুণ, এ ধরণের unproductive বিষয় সেখানে গৌণ। বাংলাদেশ আগে অর্থনেতিক ভাবে স্বাবলম্বী হোক, বাংলাদেশের সব মানুষ শিক্ষিত হোক, এই বিষয়ের জবাব দেয়া যাবে।
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Shadrul, thanks for the well written esaay. Man your command of Bangla is awesome. I agree with the last paragraph of your post whole heartedly. As for the rest of it, elements of it ring true to me. And I plan to read up on it - feel free to refer me to scholarly articles or books.

I have to say though, that the whole Kolkata Hindus getting rich off poor, Muslim Bangladeshi farmer angle seems to be a tad overplayed and simplistic. Didn't we then make the same accusation that the West Pakistan based Muslims were getting their jute and rice from us but not giving us any development fund love? At some point we have to look inwards and ask why are we so easily exploited? I'm pretty sure educated Muslims living in Kolkata also exploited the poor চাষাs. Is it as much a religious thing as a classic class exploitation matter?

There definitely was a strong anti-partition movement led by the predominantly Hindu intelligencia of West Bengal. I think the motivation behind that is open for discussion.
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well well well....so it comes down to this.

I wouldn't be surprised if many members here would whole heartedly support the "change national anthem" movement except elite few based on the reasons written in that article.
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the current anthem doesn't do anything for me...call me a apatriotic. i'd, personally have no problems with a more "islamic" anthem (i'd love it)...but the current one is not exactly anti-islamic either; its pretty secular judging from english translations of it.

however, at this point, there are far more important things than having an "islamic" anthem whilst maintaining a nation which is just as un-islamic as any other nation, be it non-muslim or muslim.

just cuz pakistan has the word islamic on its official name means nothing.

people, beggining with myself, need to worry about their personal life and bringing that into accordance with the quran and sunnah before thinking about changing the anthem or introducing shariah law.
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interesting related two recent bangla blogs which I agree with most parts-
বঙ্গভঙ্গ ও ঢাকা বিশ্ববিদ্যালয় প্রতিষ্ঠার প্রেক্ষাপট
ঢাকা বিশ্ববিদ্যালয় ও রবীন্দ্রনাথ ঠাকুর - একটি অহেতুক বিতর্কের জবাব
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What nonsense! People should look forward.
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What nonsense! People should look forward.
Ditto.

I am amazed this is even an issue.

Idiots will be idiots.

And I say the above entirely as my arrogant self independent of my BC designation.
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Put in another ditto for me. Some of you might have heard it at a slower tempo (a common flaw when it is sung); I find it difficult not to be stirred when it is played/sung at the correct tempo.

Here's an MP3 of an instrumental version played, in my opinion, at the right tempo.

That said, I think, as far as national anthems go, the Russian one is hard to surpass.
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Stupidity to the max!

আতেলদের আর কোন কমকাজ না থাকলে দয়া করে অফ যান!

I am embedding the anthem in the thread so that who ever comes here gets the true feelings. I love my anthem. Its an extraordinary composition.

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I wouldn't be surprised if many members here would whole heartedly support the "change national anthem" movement except elite few based on the reasons written in that article.
I don't think so!

And even if that were true...it would only be a reflection of the pathetic 3rd world psychy...never able to live with something handed down by your brother. Everything has to be of his/her own mould, or its unacceptable. This behavior is also well reflected by the lack of professionalism among asian workers in corporate america. Its the worst among mid easterners, and only slightly better moving east through to the sub-continent.

People who want the anthem changed are playing with minds, and they have chosen it merely as a tool.
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What nonsense! People should look forward.
This coming from a man who wouldn't mind spending his time endlessly ranting over the virtues of having a trial for the Mujib killers.

What a joker.

This is the hipocritical life them awami leaguers live in.
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Put in another ditto for me. Some of you might have heard it at a slower tempo (a common flaw when it is sung); I find it difficult not to be stirred when it is played/sung at the correct tempo.

Here's an MP3 of an instrumental version played, in my opinion, at the right tempo.

That said, I think, as far as national anthems go, the Russian one is hard to surpass.
Holy effing s**t!!!!!!!!!!!

shaad bhai: i clicked on that mp3 link u provided, so i could simply post here and say that the anthem did absolutely nothing for me...dude, that anthem sounded AMAZING!!!

i don't think i've ever been jilted so...i listened to anthem several times in a row...

will have to check the russian one out and see if thats any good (my sister will love it)
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Damadam Maskalandar??????????!!!!!!!!!!!???????????

Next what, change the flag. It is almost like you are idoling the Sun and the greenery.
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Holy effing s**t!!!!!!!!!!!

shaad bhai: i clicked on that mp3 link u provided, so i could simply post here and say that the anthem did absolutely nothing for me...dude, that anthem sounded AMAZING!!!

i don't think i've ever been jilted so...i listened to anthem several times in a row...

will have to check the russian one out and see if thats any good (my sister will love it)
I'm glad you enjoyed it, al Furqaan. For a slight change of pace, I'm including a Youtube clip of Nora Ali playing the national anthems of Bangladesh, USA, and Canada on a violin at a Fobana conference. With all due respect to Miss Ali, I think she is a competent violinist, not necessarily an excellent one; but it should give you an idea of how the anthem sounds on one of my favourite instruments.

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sounds so soothing on violin.
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This coming from a man who wouldn't mind spending his time endlessly ranting over the virtues of having a trial for the Mujib killers.
I don't remember posting anything on that issue, ever. If anything, I have religiously avoided posting about all the "traditional" political issues concerning Bangladesh.
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ditto as well. It is the greatest anthem to me.
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Thanks Nasif. Sounds amazing.
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well well well....so it comes down to this.

I wouldn't be surprised if many members here would whole heartedly support the "change national anthem" movement except elite few based on the reasons written in that article.
You base that assumption on what? Its the other way around. Only a few may like this ridiculous idea. You are nobody to judge us like that. The follow up question is obvious. Why do you spend so much time here if you suspect the majority here are what you think they are? Very twisted..
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