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Old February 25, 2008, 12:51 AM
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Mushfiq is batting very low down the order, and it can't be helping much. Bangladesh needs to go into the second test with a proper 4 man bowling lineup, and drop a batsman like bashar who is done and should be gone. This will move Mushfiq up one slot and I think you will get better returns from him.

It's his wicket keeping that is not up to Pilot's level for sure, at least not yet. But dropping him in the middle of the series will not accomplish anythig and is highly unlikely.
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Old February 25, 2008, 12:53 AM
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oh come on people,stop bashing this poor guy.even sangakara misses a few stumpings or catches once in a while.he kept pretty well in this test and batted pretty well too.now look here,i know that its too early for him 2 play tests but look,we dont have an alternative.i know that we r gambling with him as playing so frequently in this level can either devastate him or make him a golden boy but do we have other options?
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Old February 25, 2008, 12:56 AM
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off topic:will someone please explain to me how the countdown given above works?how come 217 days?
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Old February 25, 2008, 01:04 AM
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off topic:will someone please explain to me how the countdown given above works?how come 217 days?
Not 217 days

It says 3 days 21 hrs 55 days left till the 2nd Test begin on 29th Feb.
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Old February 25, 2008, 01:08 AM
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oh come on people,stop bashing this poor guy.even sangakara misses a few stumpings or catches once in a while.he kept pretty well in this test and batted pretty well too.now look here,i know that its too early for him 2 play tests but look,we dont have an alternative.i know that we r gambling with him as playing so frequently in this level can either devastate him or make him a golden boy but do we have other options?
yes there are other options/alternatives to rahim, dhiman is the obvious choice, especially since pilot is about to retire.
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Old February 25, 2008, 02:40 AM
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o fickle fans! the same guys who were baying for mashud's blood a month back, suddenly find him to be our savior during crisis. What did Mashud really do to deserve his spot back? Not a whole lot, right?
Mushfiq has been struggling with the bat. But did you see his dismissals during this test? The first innings he hung around, and stitched together a crucial partnership with Mortaza before getting out to a great yorker. In the second innings he never actually got out. His glovework has definitely improved, and imo he is not lagging behind pilot in that department.We have never had a keeper who has the technique and temperament to bat in the top 6. He might be out of form but he will come good sooner rather than later. Seems like Siddons and Co. know the value of little Mushy, we should have some more faith in him too.
Bahi jan apnar comments dehika to mone hoitase apne ekjon Mushfiq vokto, 100% for your feelings and support for your favourite player but facts remains the same that he (Mushfiq) has done nothing outstanding for the team and the stumping which he was missing its just not on, sorry If I have hurted you with my comments but as said earlier truth and the facts we can not denie. (It is just my opinion, nothing personal)
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Old February 25, 2008, 03:07 AM
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Batting down the order,, Gilchrist scores tons of runs, batting down the order even Boucher scores runs..Where does Dhoni or Akmal bat? In fact, there are very few WKs that bats up the order in tests because for Test, only specialists batsman are up the order. For ODIs, you can argue that Gilchrist, Dhoni bats up the order but seriously man,, you cant compare Mushfique with Ashraful/Aftab/Nafees let alone Dhoni or Sangakkara.. He has no batting quality to be up the batting order. Especially not with his stats being as it is. Only time he scored better up the order was against the India match ( his only notable performance since his debute 2 years back). Batting up or down the order doesnt make a batsman a better or worse batsman.
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Old February 25, 2008, 03:23 AM
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If he doesn't play, how some fans gonna see his cute face?
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Old February 25, 2008, 09:33 AM
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Batting down the order,, Gilchrist scores tons of runs, batting down the order even Boucher scores runs..Where does Dhoni or Akmal bat? In fact, there are very few WKs that bats up the order in tests because for Test, only specialists batsman are up the order. For ODIs, you can argue that Gilchrist, Dhoni bats up the order but seriously man,, you cant compare Mushfique with Ashraful/Aftab/Nafees let alone Dhoni or Sangakkara.. He has no batting quality to be up the batting order. Especially not with his stats being as it is. Only time he scored better up the order was against the India match ( his only notable performance since his debute 2 years back). Batting up or down the order doesnt make a batsman a better or worse batsman.

Well don't really want to get into the debate whether Mushfiq should be in the team or not. I am sick of him not scoring runs as well but I do see how bringing him up the order may help get back into form. You can't really compare him with Gilly, Boucher or Dhoni. These batsmen are hard hitter of a cricket ball and can scores runs really quick and thus, can play with the lower order. Mushfiq is a grafter and need a long time in the crease for a big innings. I would compare his batting style with Rajin (Desi) or Prince. Again, maybe a break is good for him and thats a totally different issue but if we want to utilize his batting talent, he must bat up the order.
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Old February 25, 2008, 10:42 AM
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No point in debating,, because he is still the golden boy. Check this out:
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উইকেটকিপার হিসেবে তাদের দু'জনের মধ্যে তুলনা করতে গিয়ে নির্বাচকরা বলে থাকেন, "উনিশ-বিশ"। খালেদ মাসুদ বিশ আর মুশফিকুর রহিম উনিশ। কিন্তু ব্যাটিংয়ে মাসুদের চেয়ে নির্বাচকরা মুশফিককে অনেক বেশি এগিয়ে রেখেছেন। এই বিবেচনাতেই গত বছর ওয়েষ্ট ইন্ডিজে অনুষ্ঠিত বিশ্বকাপ দলে ঢুকে গিয়েছিলেন। এখন টেস্ট দলেরও নিয়মিত সদস্য। কিন্তু পারফরম্যান্স কোথায়?

গত বছর শ্রীলঙ্কায় মোহাম্মদ আশরাফুলের সঙ্গে রেকর্ড ১৯১ রানের পার্টনারশিপে ৮০ রান করা ছাড়া আর কোনো উল্লেখযোগ্য স্কোর নেই। তার ১৪ টি টেস্ট ইনিংসের মধ্যে দ্বিতীয় সর্বোচ্চ ১৯ রান। এখন উইকেটের পেছনে বাজে পারফরম্যান্সও তার অন্তর্ভুক্তি নিয়ে প্রশ্ন তুলে দিয়েছে। আগের দিন রফিকের বলে অ্যাশওয়েল প্রিন্সের স্টাম্পিং মিস করেছেন। ঢাকা টেস্টের চতুর্থ দিন সকালেও একই বোলারের বলে এবি ডি ভিলিয়ার্সকেও স্টাম্পিং করতে পারেননি। তাই সংবাদ সম্মেলনে কোচ জেমি সিডন্সকে মুখোমুখি হতে হলো অনেক প্রশ্নের। আর জবাব দিতে গিয়ে বাংলাদেশ দলের কোচও মিডিয়াকে দাঁড় করিয়ে দিলেন কাঠগড়ায়। মিডিয়ার কারণেই নাকি পারফরম করতে পারছেন না মুশফিকুর রহিম!

মুশফিকের পক্ষ নিয়ে বললেন, "আজকেও ও একটা স্টাম্পিং মিস করেছে ঠিকই। এজন্য আমি কোনো অজুহাতও দিচ্ছি না। তবে এটা মিস করেছে বলে এমন কিছু এসেও যায় না। ও-ই দেশের সেরা উইকেটকিপার।" কিন্তু দায়িত্ব নেওয়ার অল্পদিনের মধ্যেই কী করে জেনে গেলেন যে মুশফিকই দেশের সেরা উইকেটকিপার? জবাবে বললেন, "আমাকে বলা হয়েছে যে মুশফিক দেশের সেরা উইকেটকিপার। আর আমি কিন্তু নির্বাচক নই।" নির্বাচকদের কাছ থেকেই শুনেছেন বলে বোঝা যাচ্ছে। এই পজিশনে অভিজ্ঞ কাউকে আনার ব্যাপারেও খুব একটা আগ্রহী মনে হলো না তাকে, "আপনি সবসময়ই অভিজ্ঞদের দলে নিয়ে আসতে পারেন। কিন্তু একই ফল হবে। আমি সেটা করবো না। আর প্রত্যেক তরুণ উইকেটকিপারেরই ক্যারিয়ারের শুরুর সময়টা এমন কঠিন যায়।"

এতোটুকু পর্যন্ত ঠিক আছে। কিন্তু সিডন্স যে মুশফিকের কঠিন সময়ের জন্য মিডিয়াকেও দোষারোপ করতে ছাড়লেন না, "আপনারা তাকে বাদ দেওয়ার কথা বলে ওর ওপর প্রচন্ড চাপ তৈরি করছেন। এটা ওর উপকার করছে না। ও-ই আমাদের সেরা কিপার। যদি ওর চেয়ে ভালো কাউকে পাওয়া যায়, তাহলে আমাদের ভবিষ্যতের জন্য ভালো। তার নামটা আমাকে জানালে ভালো হয়।"
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Old February 25, 2008, 10:53 AM
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No you are wrong musfiq got in becuase of his form and he was the right choice than. but now since pilot got back some of his form back and since mushi is in bad form he should be in for his last test.

BTW no reason have you seen what pilot did before he got dropped? Even in the local games?

SOme fans just jump on to something...
Pilot got his form back? When and where did he he show his form? But I do agree that as a formality we should let him play the 2nd test and retire..and I think in a squad of 15 we should have 2 keepers in ODIs and Mushfiq and Dhiman should be the 2.
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Old February 25, 2008, 10:58 AM
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Our coach wants to have longer honeymoon with Mushy inspite of repeated golden eggs and poor wicketkeeping. Seems like he is brainwashed by selectors and giving a blind eye to his performance. Pressure and media is baseless excuse, every player has to take this in their career. Dissapointed.
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Old February 25, 2008, 11:09 AM
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Disappointed to see Siddons is babying the players. Asking the media not to create pressure on a player ! Sounds pathetic.
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Old February 25, 2008, 11:18 AM
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Whats wrong with Siddons? For some weird reason he wants the squad to stay the same forever
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Pilot got his form back? When and where did he he show his form? But I do agree that as a formality we should let him play the 2nd test and retire..and I think in a squad of 15 we should have 2 keepers in ODIs and Mushfiq and Dhiman should be the 2.
At least he is not getting out in 10 balls like mushi is and he can occupy the crease. can u imagine what would have happen if for those 10/11 runs pilot occupied the crease for 1 or two hours. That could have made SA bat in a spinning pitch by that time...

Anyway we don't have any other replacement right now who is far better keeper than mushi but at least batting little better than him...
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to add to that 1 or 2 hour occupying the pitch if those stumps where done who knows what would have happen?
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Before selection, where Mushfiq shoed his form?? Look at his average in domestic...

Te select Mushfiq everyone tried to make Pailot look worse than he actually was at that time.....even they tried with female scandals as well
Please don't start that puran pachal again. at that time that was the right decision. we need to drop pilot at that time and there was none better than mushi in the pipe line. and didn't he scored that all important 50 against India in the WC?

Its that same reason pilots should get selected because there r no replacement in the pipe line.

If we had in both times a third keeper could have gotten in easily but because of our management we don't have one...

BTW even before Mushi got in as a keeper he was in the playing 11 for his batting? forgot his score in the warm match in england? There were other players in the team who had worse avg than him in local games. he got in cause of his U19 games just like some other U19 team players in the NTL.

AT that time local league was very weak. and they were selecting players from U19!!!
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No bhola bhala Hashi and chikon golar chilla chilli anymore? How that can be possible?
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It is clear who are selecting the 11. Selectors are main culprit.
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yes there are other options/alternatives to rahim, dhiman is the obvious choice, especially since pilot is about to retire.
not exactly @ this moment though,not for tests @least.
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If he doesn't play, how some fans gonna see his cute face?
true,true!!everytime i feel disappointed in him,his innocent face makes my anger fade away.
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It is clear who are selecting the 11. Selectors are main culprit.
Our selectors should be banned and thrown into the Bay of bengal. Hell with these rubbish selection policy. I still cant understand how they blocked Rafiq from playing in NZ. Shala juto diya mara uchit. In my opiion Dhiman Ghosh should be given a chance.
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It took only forty-five minutes on the fourth morning to see the South Africans complete their job to take a 1-0 lead in the two-Test series against Bangladesh.

Interestingly, the post-match briefing was much longer than the day's action. The victorious skipper Graeme Smith and man-of-the-match Jacques Kallis made a short presence on the podium and home captain Mohammad Ashraful was also not in a mood to have a long conversation with the media.

It was however Bangladesh coach Jamie Siddons, the man who loves to share his ideas with the press, who took centre stage as the Australian had his first real salvo with the media regarding his policy about the 'future team'.

The shaven-headed coach came down hard when asked in which criteria wicketkeeper Mushfiqur Rahim is continuing his place in the team. The criticism has been loud, not only because of Mushfiq's poor keeping but also because of his batting, for which he took over the reins from veteran Khaled Mashud.

The right-hander was nowhere among the runs since he made a well-composed 80 against Sri Lanka and has scored only nine runs in the first Test at Mirpur.

"I think he is the best wicketkeeper in the country. You guys (media) are putting enormous pressure on him with talks of getting rid of him. It's not helping him. He is our best keeper; if you can find a better keeper who is good for our future, let me know. I am looking forward to seeing him.

"I am not a selector. I was told he is our best keeper. I have seen a couple of other wicketkeepers. We can always bring the experienced players and have the same result; I am not going to do that. Every young wicketkeeper is going to get it hard in his first couple of years," he said while defending Mushfiq.

Siddons had also some explanation behind Mushfiq's poor keeping in the match.

"He missed one (chance) today, but I don't think it would have made any difference. But there is no excuse for missing, but it was something very tough on a wicket on the left-side that had unpredictable bounce," he said.

At one stage, he was reminded that every foreign coach, after his arrival, found a lot of potential in a single player but suddenly lost interest in that blue-eyed boy.

When asked how to get rid of the phenomena, he responded: "If you keep picking on a young player, you are going to force him out of the team. You should give him time to prove himself. The young players that we have got in this team have the talent to improve and I am happy to stick with him for as long as I am here."

He however said that he has a lot of work to do with his charges.

"At the moment our batsmen are collapsing and we can lose five for 30 or six for fifty-odd. It is difficult to cover; we are working on having a winning habit, big partnerships -- that we are not doing at the moment. We have a lot of work to do," he opined.

"We have played against a very good cricket team. The have created a lot of pressure on us and we are working to survive in that pressure. (Dale) Steyn was getting a lot of outswing, which turned into inswing for our left-handers," he said.

The main headache of the team is their poor batting and Siddons said that there was no recipe to come out from the problem other than hard practice.

"We have got eleven batsmen out there, who have different mindsets, different techniques, they have deficiency in their temperament, so I have got to work with every individual, not just any one. Unfortunately we don't have bowler who can bowl around 150 in practice matches. So it's very tough for these guys. So it will take time. We have got to do more practice," he said.


Link: http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=24980
Although I am feeling a little impatient with Rahim, but I will support siddons on this one.
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Old February 25, 2008, 01:37 PM
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Blame Siddons and the selectors. They should have looked at the option of having 2 wicketkeepers in the National team, one for tests and one for ODIs. This works very well for SL. Pilot has retired now, they must look at training another wicketkeeper, but
he has to be gradually exposed in the National side to prove himself. Rahim has been keeping for one year. He should have never been put i n the test side, but because of Mashud's poor form in batting, he was brought in the test side.At that time, they had no other choice, but he rewarded them by making 80 runs and building a partnership of 191 with Ashraful. i blame the selectors. Since the day Mashud was dropped in SL, they should have looked at another wicketkeeper.
I feel sorry for poor Rahim. He has enthusiasm and spirit and i am sure he wants to perform well, but is out of form and should not play in tests for his own sake. He is still young, and his inclusion in the A team will give him back his confidence.
At the moment, they cannot change in midstream.
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