**** The Mohammed Ashraful Thread **** - Page 164

Night_wolf · #**4076** November 28, 2012, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mufi_02
Arree bhai, Ash is only 28. 12 bochorer baccha thakle toh 16 bochor boyoshe baccha hoite hobe. Shei hishab korle toh nadim tomaro 2-3 bochorer baccha thakar kotha. ase naki?

are nadim er ki r akta pola..or koyekta pola to BD team ai khele, koyekta abar team e dhukar opekhay, koyekta to nadim er thekei boro...nadim hoilo akjon rotno gorva!!!

simon · #**4077** November 28, 2012, 08:30 AM

Nadim is a donor.
he provides good fertilizer and links too.

SS · #**4078** November 28, 2012, 08:59 AM

Sir Ash should be in...btw ...sorry I didn't read all the posts..but is Sir Ash seeking advice to be donor and reaching out Nadim...I am lost...notheless I think I see Sir Ash Jr nowadays in one down...Ash's legacy will continue

mufi_02 · #**4079** November 28, 2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by simon
Nadim is a donor.
he provides good fertilizer and links too.

eta ki Vicky Donor movier plot paisen naki

. Nadim koi tumi???

on topic - I think this is the beginning of the end of Ash's career. He simply has nothing left to give it to the team. Selectors are drafting in new players and all the deadwoods (SN, JS, Nazim) will soon fade and will buy Ash's hotel franchise.

Navo · #**4080** November 28, 2012, 11:05 AM

It's curious that Ashraful has only been out in the 90s once (98 versus Zimbabwe in 2004) and scored 5 Test centuries while Shakib has been stuck in the 90s 4 times and scored 2 Test centuries. I'm surprised that someone will well known 'psycho-somatic' issues (as Sohel bhai likes to term it) like Ash hasn't fallen prey to the nervous 90s more.

Fazal · #**4081** November 28, 2012, 11:40 AM

Usually when Ashraful florish, he plays his natural game, so nothing to think about... so no chance to get nervous.

crikss · #**4082** November 28, 2012, 12:24 PM

Will Ash get selected for T20 match ? or that option also gone

*AsifTheManRahman* · #**4083** November 28, 2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Navo
It's curious that Ashraful has only been out in the 90s once (98 versus Zimbabwe in 2004) and scored 5 Test centuries while Shakib has been stuck in the 90s 4 times and scored 2 Test centuries. I'm surprised that someone will well known 'psycho-somatic' issues (as Sohel bhai likes to term it) like Ash hasn't fallen prey to the nervous 90s more.

Awesome Sherlock! You have solved the mystery, cracked the code, unearthed the cause of Ashraful's chronic failures in all sorts of cricket! Now all he needs to make one of the most remarkable comebacks in the history of the game, revive his international career and prolong it past the age of 40, breaking Bradman's record average in Tests in the process, is for someone - preferably a figure of guardianship, affection and consolation in his life, like his mother, a wife, a coach or a shrink - to tell him to go out to bat thinking he's on 90 every time. Genius.

wktkeeper · #**4084** November 28, 2012, 01:09 PM

east or west, sir ash is the best. bhai amar fav player niya ulta palta montobbo korben na. sir ash form e ashbei.

zsayeed · #**4085** November 28, 2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Navo
It's curious that Ashraful has only been out in the 90s once (98 versus Zimbabwe in 2004) and scored 5 Test centuries while Shakib has been stuck in the 90s 4 times and scored 2 Test centuries. I'm surprised that someone will well known 'psycho-somatic' issues (as Sohel bhai likes to term it) like Ash hasn't fallen prey to the nervous 90s more.

98 - test : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...tch/64069.html
94 - odi : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...ch/211579.html
Once he is set he is SET.

NoName · #**4086** November 28, 2012, 09:54 PM

Ye, I have to agree if its Eid for Ash IT IS REALLY EID.

cricketboy · #**4087** November 28, 2012, 10:02 PM

Ashraful should play the 20-20 unless he is injured. He is doing an ok job as 20-20 opener. Bangladesh's first 20-20 specialist.

Maysun · #**4088** November 29, 2012, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by zsayeed
98 - test : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...tch/64069.html
94 - odi : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...ch/211579.html
Once he is set he is SET.

Don't seem to remember his 98 against the Zimbabweans. But I remember his 94 against the English, got bowled playing the scoop.

Yes, that is correct. Once he's in the mood and is set, nearing a milestone is the least of his concern, except when he crosses 100. He just goes bang, bang, bang.

zsayeed · #**4089** November 29, 2012, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by maysun
Don't seem to remember his 98 against the Zimbabweans. But I remember his 94 against the English, got bowled playing the scoop.

Yes, that is correct. Once he's in the mood and is set, nearing a milestone is the least of his concern, except when he crosses 100. He just goes bang, bang, bang.

Ashraful is the only one who put up a fight when BD faced a 391 target in the ODI. He scored at 180% SR for his 94. Openers scored at 56% and 30 something percent.

wktkeeper · #**4090** November 29, 2012, 04:31 AM

i remember the 98 run against zimbabwe. he was bowled by heath streak. if i remember correctly sir ash was trying one of his cheeky shots

and his jersey number was 98 for a long time

simon · #**4091** November 29, 2012, 06:29 AM

I don't remember when was the last time Ash played an eid innings.
Before 2008 we used to see atleast one eid inn every yr.

Sohel · #**4092** November 29, 2012, 06:55 AM

He has amazing natural ability and works harder than all of our national players put together. Unfortunately, he's also insane because he has been gifting his wicket away playing low percentage shots, over and over and over again for 12 years, expecting different results each time. FACT, people. Time to let your spirit roam free again.

SS · #**4093** November 29, 2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by simon
I don't remember when was the last time Ash played an eid innings.
Before 2008 we used to see atleast one eid inn every yr.

here dosh den ken apnera ...he to Eid korte chai moha furtiti ...khali opposition teams don't want him to celebrate it the way he used to be...even I can't celebrate Eid the way I used to be...amago kono dosh nai...amago apnare shujog den dekben abaro amra ager moto Eid korum

wktkeeper · #**4094** November 29, 2012, 10:50 AM

Amar mone hoi soon abar Ash er Eid ashbo

Isnaad · #**4095** November 29, 2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by wktkeeper
Amar mone hoi soon abar Ash er Eid ashbo

First, let him be picked for the XI. I don't see that happening

BrianLara7 · #**4096** November 29, 2012, 01:40 PM

lol, some people seriously overestimate his talent. A guy with an average of 20 can't be more talented than Lara/ Ponting. His fans will even go as far as saying he is more talented than Bradman.. when even swann (a bowler) averages more than him with the bat. There are so many so called talents who have failed to make an impact in international cricket, being able to play shots is worth nothing if you don't have a brain and the ability to take pressure.

zsayeed · #**4097** November 29, 2012, 01:46 PM

^ One can be average on the average without talent - but the finesse and master-class he has shown when he has scored significantly is undeniable.

No denying his averages are poor - but that is not because of lack of talent - it is an inherent self belief issue. Beyond that average when the mind is settled - he is pure class.

Fazal · #**4098** November 29, 2012, 01:51 PM

Is it lack of self belief issue or lack of judgement issue i.e. which shot to play when... when to take high risk shots and when to take low risk shots, which shot is best suited for which type of ball, etc.

zsayeed · #**4099** November 29, 2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianLara7
lol, some people seriously overestimate his talent. A guy with an average of 20 can't be more talented than Lara/ Ponting. His fans will even go as far as saying he is more talented than Bradman.. when even swann (a bowler) averages more than him with the bat. There are so many so called talents who have failed to make an impact in international cricket, being able to play shots is worth nothing if you don't have a brain and the ability to take pressure.

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Originally Posted by Fazal
Is it lack of self belief issue or lack of judgement issue i.e. which shot to play when... when to take high risk shots and when to take low risk shots, which shot is best suited for which type of ball, etc.

Let me answer it from a coaches post:
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...&postcount=601

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Originally Posted by Ian Pont
Let me repeat something I said over a year ago and add to it: Ashraful is the most talented Bangladeshi batsman ever produced.

When he bats properly, truly properly, he bats to a world class standard that only Shakib can get close to. This is my genuine opinion. During the BPL he played some incredible shots, placed to perfection, effortlessly for example.

I cannot comment on how other coaches have dealt with Ash or how they work with him, but from my viewpoint we hit it off well. I feel we got almost the best out of him with Dhaka Gladiators.

Deep down I think Ash need challenges to excel and finds things far too easy sometimes. In the BPL he was playing alongside other world class players who showed their skill levels. I feel Ash responded to this. He WANTED to play.

Any cricketer needs to feel wanted, loved, valued and important. But they also need to feel challenged. The secret is in working with a player who has this level of ability and making him an important asset. Ultimately, it is all about the player himself and what motivates him.

With Ashraful, the talent is clearly there.

Fazal · #**4100** November 29, 2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by zsayeed
Let me answer it from a coaches post:
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...&postcount=601

but ... thats is comming from coach's observation in T20 format. Do Ashraful have the same problems (that he is facing through out his life) in TEST and ODI that he have in T20?

If you ask me, in T20 due to its format, you can be less selective in your shot choice and take high risk shots and can be very successful. The same approach may not work in TEST for example where you need to be more selective about your shot selection.