Never Play With 2 Pacers

[nahaz]

I have no idea why...but for some reason or other a lot of the members here, and the selectors, think it is perfectly reasonable to play with 2 pacers.Not only is that a grave mistake, since u practically negate any chance of keeping the opposition under pressure with quality pace bowling over a 10-20 over period , we also have one of those 2 pacers off-form, Mashrafee. There's a reason why Australia even don't wanna go with 2 pacers, and it's not that only Warne was a good enough spinner.See, if a guy like Shahadat gets 3 wickets in quick succession, and then there's no third pacer, you're just throwing the game away after a while. Imagine what would have happened if Shahadat got those wickets first and then they scored 500.
We also overestimate the quality of our spinners... it's too much to ask spinners to get most of the wickets anyway.Then u have only rafique who has some good experience. And our curators are also not too smart in creating any specific type of wckiets.
But like I said, NEVER play with 2 pacers again. At least have a Farhad Reza as a 3rd pacer, if not a Rasel. It has to be someone who has the CAPABILITY to put the opposition under pressure with a fine spell every now and then, and good control at other times.
Seriously, it's worth playing even one less batsman for one more pacer. Mostly, the extra batsman doesn't make much difference.

[arafath79]

Exactly Nahaz, I agree with you. The whole Bangladesh Cricket Team, the management and captain Ashrafool are dumb and failed to understand that playing only 2 pacers are the dumbest idea in every condition and even in a flat batting track. If Bangladesh had one bowler like Murali, one like Shane Warne or Anil Kumle then I would support them to go with three 3 spinners including Rafique(the only world calss spinner we have).

[Alien]

Originally Posted by arafath79
Exactly Nahaz, I agree with you. The whole Bangladesh Cricket Team, the management and captain Ashrafool are dumb and failed to understand that playing only 2 pacers are the dumbest idea in every condition and even in a flat batting track. If Bangladesh had one bowler like Murali, one like Shane Warne or Anil Kumle then I would support them to go with three 3 spinners including Rafique(the only world calss spinner we have).

Our spinners are nothing compared to Warne or Murali. Hence it makes more sense to play with fast bowlers. Problem is that fast bowlers are a rare item in BD. And I mean extremely rare. Slow less bouncy pitches only breeds spinners.

On that note, our bowlers success is usually limited to opponent's batsmen underestimating us, or they are having a bad day themselves.

[arafath79]

Originally Posted by Alien
Our spinners are nothing compared to Warne or Murali. Hence it makes more sense to play with fast bowlers. Problem is that fast bowlers are a rare item in BD. And I mean extremely rare. Slow less bouncy pitches only breeds spinners.

On that note, our bowlers success is usually limited to opponent's batsmen underestimating us, or they are having a bad day themselves.

But the pace bowlers like Sajidul, Rasel, Farhad should get more opportunities to play in the test cricket. They will learn nothing if the bloody team management of BD leave them out of the squad and play 2 pacers only.

I have got a huge hope on the four up coming young pace bowles who are Rubel Hossain, Subhasish Roy, Mohamad Salahuddin and Dollar Mahmud. They arestill young and three of them played for under 19 team allready and they will be encouraged by watching the senior bolwers like Mashrafe, Shahadat, Rasel, Sajidul but if they see that the BD team is playing with 2 pacers speacially in the longer version of the game that will not give them confidence at all.

[Tigers_eye]

lol you play with 3 pacers and the score after 1st day stands 450/0 in 85 overs. Read more and understand the wicket first.

For SA, fast bowling is there strength. They have no spin attack. Thus they stick to their basics/strength.

Instead of batting track I wish it would have spinning track and we dropped Mash for an Off spinner. and let Aftab open with Shahadat for few overs and then start webbing them.

[arafath79]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
lol you play with 3 pacers and the score after 1st day stands 450/0 in 85 overs. Read more and understand the wicket first.

For SA, fast bowling is there strength. They have no spin attack. Thus they stick to their basics/strength.

Instead of batting track I wish it would have spinning track and we dropped Mash for an Off spinner. and let Aftab open with Shahadat for few overs and then start webbing them.

If every one thinks like dropping pace bowlers then Bangladesh will never produce good pace bowlers at all.

The main job for the spinners are to keep one end tight enough and rest the fast bowlers to gain their strenght back. Most of the time spinners need support from the wicket and a bit of luck to get wickets and win the match for the team unless they are Murali, Kumble or Warne. But a good fast bowler can get wicket with raw pace in any sorf of wicket. Look at Shahadat, he is the leading wicket takers in the test series but he needs to generate some more pace.

[Umar]

Sayed Rassel or Farhad Reza should've been playing in this test. Instead of RAZZAK!

"u can argue that razzak got smith out...but it doesnt matter because RAFIQ Dropped a Catch the previous day"

[Ajfar]

well tehnically we played with 1 pacer...cause as far as i'm concernedd..Mash doesn't really countt..he needs a break...

[Rabz]

Pacers or no pacers, im tired of SLA's.
Too many of them in our cricketing scene.

may be we should force them to bowl otherwise.

[detroitpagla]

hmm...so u r another bangali pondit think that by playing 3 pacers would do the job?
Previous pondits said play with 3 spinners. kool!!!
"koyla doile moyla jai na" it doesn't matter if u play 11 pacers or 11 spinner
bangladesh batting f*****g sucks

[lamisa]

well,i want to see quality leg spinning in the bd team.

[mildwind]

I really dont blame bowlers. There was not anything on the first day in chittagong for bowlers.

However our batsmen could not negotiate properly last 16 overs that put us in this situation.

[Rifat]

three words:

SYED RASEL IS AWESOME!!!!

[Rifat]

I Love Rasel!!! Excellent Gift Of Bangladesh, Try Not To Abuse Him Or Lose Him

[FagunerAgun]

Well, we can argue for hours on less pacers more spinners, less spinners more pacers, no spinners all pacers, all spinners no pacers, retard selectors, more selectors, no selectors, all BC memers are selectors, but the result will be almost the same, because of our super talented, hyper, gullible, black diamond, brown diamond batsmen and super flop 'very successful' WK and the pitch curator.

[nahaz]

Tiger's eye anDetroitpagla, I did not say playing 3 pacers would mean we get the opposition out under 200 all the time, or even sometimes. I said, or at least meant to say, that it makes much more sense playing 3 pacers since it gives our pace bowlers a chance to be effective. See how Shahadat got all those wickets. Don't you think that if there was a 3rd pacer he could have taken advantage of the pressure created by Shahadat and maybe taken one more wicket. Sometimes Shahadat and Mash might bowl an excellent 6-8 overs but the batsman know if they get through this they don't have to worry about pace for the rest of the session. Plus Mashrafee isn't in form so why 2 pacers?

Plus spinners usually are there to sustain pressure after the pacers have already put them on back foot. That's how even Warnie was successful.The other times , well he was the best ever. Razzak's no Warne or even Kaneria in tests.And often captains go back to pacers right after breakthroughs(mainly coz not every spinner is Warne/Rafiq).

Mind you detroitpagla, before you start swearing at Bangladesh, even NZ couldn't handle Steyn. And the comeback the bowlers made yesterday after SA scoring 500+/1 MADE ME PROUD. That was a real show of character.
Which makes me curious..now that Rafiq is gone, should we ever play 2 specialist spinners? I say, in non-spinning pitches just play Sakib for the next year. Play Razzak and Enam at home/sub-continent for now.And hence 3 pacers is the way to go. And since we don't ever have 7 in-form/classy batman ,why not play with 4 bowlers plus Sakib more often than not in tests? It's always aggressive, and will mean a hero like Shahadat might rise out of the 4.

[al Furqaan]

our selectors really don't know what to do, hence they are plugging in players who shouldnt be playing tests ie razzak. supposedly we heard razzak was developing a doosra, that was back in WC. where is it?

enam should have played. also i think siddons is a very hit or miss type guy. he introduced novel training procedures before NZ tour: great. then took a break right after: wtf. then we push sa in T1: great. then his post game comments: ummm. now someone apparently says that he doesnt think highly of enam. i am beggining to have doubts as to how much siddons can do.

[djnaved]

I think rajjak got much variation than enamul, plus he can bat. However, his bowling line length in test cricket is not up to the mark, he tries different things,can frustrate the batsman, but it's not in the line. To me Enam is like unresourceful, bowl in a decent length, but can't frustrate the batsman

Btw,

Rafique says that Rajjak can be his best replacement in test cricket. Also he included Mosharrof Rubel

[djnaved]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
supposedly we heard razzak was developing a doosra, that was back in WC. where is it?

.

lolz, it was enamul, He said he is developing a new weopon than can frustrate left arm batsman, it was almost like doosra

[detroitpagla]

i understand where u coming from but we(bangladesh) have too many short time heros so if we can get couple of permanent heros that will be good for our nation! UNTILL THEN WE HAVE HORRIBLE BATTING LINE UP!

[tiger_army]

C'mon guys we need a bowler who can ball 145-150 an hour who can scare the batsman with those speedy bouncer hit few of them on the head....Agressive Fast bowling is a important key of test cricket. Every team has such kind of bowlers in the squad-

Australia - Lee, Johnson
India - ishant, Sresant
Sri Lanka - Malinga
NewZealand - Mills , Martin
SAfrica - Steyn, Morkel
Pakistan - Asif
Sorry i don have any idea abt england and WI.

these guys are very agressive and can destroy a good batting line up....We have good medium pacers like Sahadat (i like his reverse swing ability), Rasel (line & length), Mash(though out of form) but we need a bowler who can bowl 140-150 km/ hour and can hit the batsman.... is there any???? I dont think, Dolar, rubel is good enough.......

[tiger_army]

Another thing we shudnt rely on spinners as our Striking bowler....tell me in last 10 yers how many quality spinners have rised. Apart from Murali, Warne, Kumble i dont think there are any super class spinners. On the other hand look how many super class fast bowlers have risen.

[BANFAN]

Originally Posted by arafath79
But the pace bowlers like Sajidul, Rasel, Farhad should get more opportunities to play in the test cricket. They will learn nothing if the bloody team management of BD leave them out of the squad and play 2 pacers only.

I have got a huge hope on the four up coming young pace bowles who are Rubel Hossain, Subhasish Roy, Mohamad Salahuddin and Dollar Mahmud. They arestill young and three of them played for under 19 team allready and they will be encouraged by watching the senior bolwers like Mashrafe, Shahadat, Rasel, Sajidul but if they see that the BD team is playing with 2 pacers speacially in the longer version of the game that will not give them confidence at all.

None of these bowlers are bowling above 130 and neither such effective against test playing nations that we need to give them encouragement to come to the team.

We need pacers who can bowl over 140 when needed.

Current situation is an excellent encouragement for those unknown youngstars aspiring to be a fast bowler to be clear that, he needs to bowl above 140 and with intelligence to come to the team.

Our spinners are also not so great in comparison, but they are more effective than pacers.

One needs to have the arm to throw a ball at that speed, can become effective with pactice, if given a chance in the national team.

[lamisa]

Originally Posted by FagunerAgun
Well, we can argue for hours on less pacers more spinners, less spinners more pacers, no spinners all pacers, all spinners no pacers, retard selectors, more selectors, no selectors, all BC memers are selectors, but the result will be almost the same, because of our super talented, hyper, gullible, black diamond, brown diamond batsmen and super flop 'very successful' WK and the pitch curator.

i know that the curator sucks but do not blame mushy.we all know what he is capable of doing.few months back people here were shouting to get pilot off the side but now suddenly you all want him back because mushy is going through a draught!this is outrageous.siddons sees a great future ahead of him and no offense but i believe that siddons as more cricket knowledge than u do.before you can blame our batsmen for being impatient please look @ yourself whos not even being patient with our keeper.

[smashyboy]

Ya playing 2 pacers is the one mistake that cost BD this match.. Stop deluding yourself. Accept it.. South Africans are too good for BD.