Smith: 'Tigers too young'

[Dhakablues]

South African captain Graeme Smith said yesterday that Bangladesh should emphasise on experience if they want to survive in Test cricket.

The left-hander praised the improvement of Bangladesh's bowling department but was surprised at the way the young players got into the Test fold.

“I think your (Bangladesh) bowling has improved. From the last time I came here five years ago, the bowling has developed. They have got more skill in that department. I don't see the batsman around who played with us five years ago,” said the surprised left-hander.

“You keep picking 19-20 year olds all the time. I think it is important that these are the guys who are identified, give them experience now. Let them learn how to play around the world, so that next time we come here, they are developed, gained experience and turn into a better player.

Source: http://thedailystar.net/pages.php?id=04

What else can we say,,,,Other than the board, it seems like the entire world knows where the problem is..

[KnightBD]

Good observation by Smith.
We must keep the existing team for at least 5 years or so! No new players unless proven in NL, Academy then A team.

[Tigers_eye]

What he is saying if these guys are the best players identified in the country let them develop and get experienced. That means don't bring in new players just because they are failing. Stick with them and let them learn.

The average age of this team in mind boggling.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
What he is saying if these guys are the best players identified in the country let them develop and get experienced. That means don't bring in new players just because they are failing. Stick with them and let them learn.

The average age of this team in mind boggling.

exactly. frustrating as it was, its true.

[Murad]

He's right.

We need to have some experienced players.

Ehsanul Haque is a great player. He's so consistent in the Domestic cricket. He failed in international cricket but that was long ago.. He's averaging in 40s after playing around 60 FC matches. BUt our selectors keep neglecting him. Don't know why.

Selectors are really confused about Test & ODI. They select the Test team as an ODI and ODI team as a Test. A$$holes koto gula.. Faruq bolo ar BilayMama bolo..shobai same.

They shouldn't pick any players under the age of 25 for the TEst cricket.

[Slater582]

They shouldn't pick any players under the age of 25 for the TEst cricket.

Under those conditions then, what would be your team?

[JonBain]

I have not seem enough of the test to be sure, but it seems very strange to me - i may be wrong - but, the wicket seems to have suited batting and fast bowling - SA's strengths and the 5-fer for peterson was only after the match was over. Did the wicket give the Bangers alot of spin like it should have?

Surely a struggling home team should have a wicket that suits its opponents weaknesses, rather than its strengths? Just a thought -c ould those who saw the entire test enlighten me?

I don't agree with smith exactly - a team that continues to lose gets a depressed mindset - only fresh players can break this. A bunch of old guys losing alot never offers room for a fresh positive mental approach.

Its easy to critisize the opponents after winning. I think Smith should have just said thanks to a great performance from mackenzie and left Bangers to sort out there own problems. It smacks of rubbing salt in the wound of a child. Since Klusener was kicked out for being the best cricketer south africa has had since ... well since i've been watching the game, the team sank to a depth were it critisizes a new team for being a new team and cannot live up to the glory days of Zulu and Jonty.

Smithy's still a great bat tho, just a pretty average captain. He should bat at 4. I wish Zulu were the captain, but our best player has not played a game in a decade.

[Pundit]

To cheer you all up, with the caveat that this happened in SA:

	South Africa 1st innings			R	M	B	4s	6s	SR
		GC Smith	b Martin	1	6	8	0	0	12.50
		HH Gibbs	c Fleming b Martin	63	193	125	13	0	50.40
		HM Amla	c McCullum b Bond	12	28	18	0	1	66.66
		JH Kallis	c McCullum b O'Brien	29	86	65	5	0	44.61
		AG Prince	c Fleming b Bond	1	24	15	0	0	6.66
		AB de Villiers	c Oram b Bond	33	99	80	6	0	41.25
		MV Boucher	c Papps b Vettori	43	118	93	5	0	46.23
		A Nel	c McCullum b Bond	15	16	14	3	0	107.14
		PL Harris	lbw b Vettori	3	18	15	0	0	20.00
		DW Steyn	c McCullum b Martin	13	32	19	1	1	68.42
		M Ntini	not out	0	5	1	0	0	0.00
		Extras	(lb 6, w 1, nb 6)	13
		Total	(all out; 74.3 overs; 315 mins)	226	(3.03 runs per over)

Fall of wickets1-1 (Smith, 1.4 ov), 2-20 (Amla, 8.1 ov), 3-73 (Kallis, 29.1 ov), 4-92 (Prince, 34.1 ov), 5-141 (Gibbs, 44.1 ov), 6-162 (de Villiers, 58.3 ov), 7-182 (Nel, 62.5 ov), 8-195 (Harris, 67.2 ov), 9-219 (Boucher, 73.3 ov), 10-226 (Steyn, 74.3 ov)

	Bowling	O	M	R	W	Econ
	SE Bond	17	1	73	4	4.29	(3nb, 1w)
	CS Martin	17.3	3	67	3	3.82
	JDP Oram	12	3	31	0	2.58
	IE O'Brien	10	4	23	1	2.30
	DL Vettori	18	6	26	2	1.44	(3nb)

	New Zealand 1st innings			R	M	B	4s	6s	SR
		CD Cumming	lbw b Steyn	12	48	41	1	0	29.26
		MHW Papps	c de Villiers b Ntini	2	23	14	0	0	14.28
		SP Fleming	c de Villiers b Ntini	40	73	48	5	1	83.33
		SE Bond	b Steyn	1	25	20	0	0	5.00
		SB Styris	c Smith b Kallis	11	67	49	0	0	22.44
		LRPL Taylor	c Gibbs b Kallis	15	60	28	2	0	53.57
		JDP Oram	c Kallis b Steyn	1	8	7	0	0	14.28
		BB McCullum	lbw b Steyn	9	38	24	1	0	37.50
		DL Vettori	c Harris b Ntini	7	18	10	0	0	70.00
		IE O'Brien	not out	14	15	7	2	1	200.00
		CS Martin	c Harris b Steyn	0	2	2	0	0	0.00
		Extras	(lb 5, nb 1)	6
		Total	(all out; 41.3 overs; 191 mins)	118	(2.84 runs per over)

Fall of wickets1-16 (Papps, 5.6 ov), 2-40 (Cumming, 11.3 ov), 3-54 (Bond, 17.4 ov), 4-64 (Fleming, 22.2 ov), 5-83 (Styris, 32.1 ov), 6-84 (Oram, 33.3 ov), 7-88 (Taylor, 34.5 ov), 8-102 (Vettori, 38.5 ov), 9-118 (McCullum, 41.1 ov), 10-118 (Martin, 41.3 ov)

	Bowling	O	M	R	W	Econ
	DW Steyn	14.3	3	34	5	2.34	(1nb)
	M Ntini	14	3	47	3	3.35
	A Nel	9	1	21	0	2.33
	JH Kallis	4	0	11	2	2.75

	South Africa 2nd innings			R	M	B	4s	6s	SR
		HH Gibbs	c Papps b Bond	8	11	10	1	0	80.00
		GC Smith	b Martin	9	34	22	0	0	40.90
		HM Amla	not out	176	511	378	24	0	46.56
		JH Kallis	c McCullum b Oram	186	383	262	25	3	70.99
		AG Prince	not out	25	105	85	1	0	29.41
		Extras	(b 9, lb 7, w 1, nb 1)	18
		Total	(3 wickets dec; 126 overs; 523 mins)	422	(3.34 runs per over)

Did not bat AB de Villiers, MV Boucher, PL Harris, A Nel, DW Steyn, M Ntini

Fall of wickets1-8 (Gibbs, 2.4 ov), 2-20 (Smith, 7.3 ov), 3-350 (Kallis, 97.4 ov)

	Bowling	O	M	R	W	Econ
	SE Bond	16	1	60	1	3.75
	CS Martin	24	6	55	1	2.29
	JDP Oram	16.4	2	49	1	2.94	(1w)
	IE O'Brien	23	5	91	0	3.95
	DL Vettori	37	3	116	0	3.13	(1nb)
	SB Styris	6	2	25	0	4.16
	LRPL Taylor	3.2	0	10	0	3.00

	New Zealand 2nd innings (target: 531 runs)			R	M	B	4s	6s	SR
		CD Cumming	c Smith b Steyn	7	20	17	0	0	41.17
		SP Fleming	c Smith b Nel	17	42	31	3	0	54.83
		SB Styris	c Boucher b Steyn	16	64	28	3	0	57.14
		LRPL Taylor	c Kallis b Nel	4	4	2	1	0	200.00
		BB McCullum	c Gibbs b Steyn	26	79	61	4	0	42.62
		JDP Oram	c Nel b Harris	40	128	83	5	0	48.19
		MHW Papps	c de Villiers b Kallis	5	34	14	1	0	35.71
		DL Vettori	not out	46	79	58	5	0	79.31
		IE O'Brien	c Amla b Steyn	0	16	7	0	0	0.00
		CS Martin	b Steyn	0	9	6	0	0	0.00
		SE Bond	absent hurt	-
		Extras	(b 7, lb 1, w 2, nb 1)	11
		Total	(all out; 51 overs; 240 mins)	172	(3.37 runs per over)

Fall of wickets1-12 (Cumming, 4.6 ov), 2-34 (Fleming, 9.3 ov), 3-39 (Taylor, 9.5 ov), 4-60 (Styris, 18.3 ov), 5-90 (McCullum, 26.1 ov), 6-109 (Papps, 33.1 ov), 7-154 (Oram, 45.4 ov), 8-170 (O'Brien, 48.5 ov), 9-172 (Martin, 50.6 ov)

	Bowling	O	M	R	W	Econ
	DW Steyn	17	1	59	5	3.47	(1nb)
	M Ntini	13	0	42	0	3.23
	A Nel	12	1	37	2	3.08	(2w)
	JH Kallis	3	0	15	1	5.00
	PL Harris	6	2	11	1	1.83

[Pundit]

Result South Africa won by an innings and 59 runs

	New Zealand 1st innings			R	M	B	4s	6s	SR
		CD Cumming	retired hurt	48	151	107	8	0	44.85
		MHW Papps	c Gibbs b Ntini	9	32	22	2	0	40.90
		L Vincent	c Harris b Steyn	33	96	64	4	1	51.56
		SP Fleming	c Prince b Kallis	43	97	57	6	1	75.43
		SB Styris	lbw b Steyn	3	11	8	0	0	37.50
		LRPL Taylor	c Prince b Nel	17	38	20	4	0	85.00
		BB McCullum	c de Villiers b Nel	13	43	28	1	0	46.42
		DL Vettori	not out	17	36	30	2	0	56.66
		MR Gillespie	lbw b Steyn	0	10	3	0	0	0.00
		IE O'Brien	c Gibbs b Steyn	0	3	1	0	0	0.00
		CS Martin	c Kallis b Ntini	0	5	3	0	0	0.00
		Extras	(lb 2, nb 3)	5
		Total	(all out; 56.4 overs; 261 mins)	188	(3.31 runs per over)

Fall of wickets1-26 (Papps, 7.6 ov), 2-88 (Vincent, 29.4 ov), 2-101* (Cumming, retired not out), 3-105 (Styris, 35.5 ov), 4-147 (Taylor, 43.1 ov), 5-165 (Fleming, 48.6 ov), 6-184 (McCullum, 52.6 ov), 7-187 (Gillespie, 55.3 ov), 8-187 (O'Brien, 55.4 ov), 9-188 (Martin, 56.4 ov)

	Bowling	O	M	R	W	Econ
	DW Steyn	14	5	42	4	3.00	(1nb)
	M Ntini	15.4	4	52	2	3.31
	JH Kallis	11	2	35	1	3.18	(2nb)
	A Nel	13	3	42	2	3.23
	PL Harris	3	0	15	0	5.00

	South Africa 1st innings			R	M	B	4s	6s	SR
		GC Smith	b Martin	2	4	6	0	0	33.33
		HH Gibbs	b Martin	25	40	27	4	0	92.59
		HM Amla	c Papps b O'Brien	103	349	216	15	0	47.68
		JH Kallis	lbw b Gillespie	131	221	177	17	2	74.01
		AG Prince	c sub (JM How) b Gillespie	13	44	30	2	0	43.33
		AB de Villiers	c McCullum b Gillespie	33	71	51	6	0	64.70
		MV Boucher	b Gillespie	1	15	10	0	0	10.00
		PL Harris	c McCullum b Gillespie	0	15	10	0	0	0.00
		A Nel	lbw b Vettori	25	56	30	1	2	83.33
		DW Steyn	c Papps b O'Brien	25	55	40	2	1	62.50
		M Ntini	not out	0	2	0	0	0	-
		Extras	(b 6, lb 4, w 2, nb 13)	25
		Total	(all out; 97.3 overs; 437 mins)	383	(3.92 runs per over)

Fall of wickets1-2 (Smith, 0.6 ov), 2-31 (Gibbs, 8.5 ov), 3-251 (Kallis, 59.5 ov), 4-282 (Prince, 68.5 ov), 5-312 (Amla, 80.1 ov), 6-325 (Boucher, 83.3 ov), 7-332 (de Villiers, 85.2 ov), 8-332 (Harris, 85.6 ov), 9-383 (Nel, 96.6 ov), 10-383 (Steyn, 97.3 ov)

	Bowling	O	M	R	W	Econ
	CS Martin	22	6	81	2	3.68	(3nb, 2w)
	MR Gillespie	30	7	136	5	4.53	(5nb)
	IE O'Brien	21.3	6	78	2	3.62	(1nb)
	DL Vettori	20	2	61	1	3.05	(3nb)
	SB Styris	4	0	17	0	4.25	(1nb)

	New Zealand 2nd innings			R	M	B	4s	6s	SR
		L Vincent	lbw b Steyn	4	2	4	1	0	100.00
		MHW Papps	lbw b Steyn	1	12	8	0	0	12.50
		SP Fleming	lbw b Steyn	54	138	85	9	1	63.52
		SB Styris	c de Villiers b Kallis	29	78	58	6	0	50.00
		LRPL Taylor	run out (Amla)	8	8	6	2	0	133.33
		BB McCullum	c Smith b Steyn	21	50	34	2	0	61.76
		DL Vettori	c de Villiers b Ntini	8	17	6	2	0	133.33
		MR Gillespie	c Kallis b Steyn	0	4	4	0	0	0.00
		IE O'Brien	b Steyn	0	8	3	0	0	0.00
		CS Martin	not out	0	2	0	0	0	-
		CD Cumming	absent hurt	-
		Extras	(b 1, lb 9, nb 1)	11
		Total	(all out; 34.3 overs; 162 mins)	136	(3.94 runs per over)

Fall of wickets1-4 (Vincent, 0.4 ov), 2-9 (Papps, 2.3 ov), 3-69 (Styris, 19.5 ov), 4-78 (Taylor, 20.6 ov), 5-117 (Fleming, 30.6 ov), 6-128 (McCullum, 32.2 ov), 7-128 (Gillespie, 32.6 ov), 8-136 (Vettori, 33.6 ov), 9-136 (O'Brien, 34.3 ov)

	Bowling	O	M	R	W	Econ
	DW Steyn	10.3	1	49	6	4.66	(1nb)
	M Ntini	12	4	39	1	3.25
	A Nel	7	2	20	0	2.85
	JH Kallis	5	2	18	1	3.60

[JonBain]

Thanks for that, i do not watch the australia F team as a moral principle, so it was great to see the scorecard.

2 questions
1) Did the wicket suit spin? Judging by the comments on bouncers : NO
2) Did the bangers hold regulation catches??

[Omio]

Is it like that-

[tanim3960]

Thats why i like siddon. he like to concentrate on what we have right now. not many changes in the team is actually a good idea.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by JonBain
Thanks for that, i do not watch the australia F team as a moral principle, so it was great to see the scorecard.

2 questions
1) Did the wicket suit spin? Judging by the comments on bouncers : NO
2) Did the bangers hold regulation catches??

1) No the wicket was a flat batting track. Did not spin at all.
2) They did what ever came by. Only Rafique had McKenzie on 131 but dropped. On the other hand SA dropped four/five sure chances in the first innings. Kallis, Smith, Botha and another guy I could not recongnise.

[Murad]

Originally Posted by Slater582
Under those conditions then, what would be your team?

I don't know yet
But there are many batsmen who are over 24/25 and doing quite well.

[zainab]

We fans should try to banish the gloom and doom atmosphere that prevails on this forum.

Please read Pundit's scorecard of the test matches between SA and NZ, and carefully analyse the scorecard. You will come to realize that a quality team like NZ perished against SA with Steyn carrying out the devastation.
IMO, BD did not perform very badly. here .Also, if anyone can access the scorecard for the Test matches between SA and Pakistan, one will also see how Steyn bowled brilliantly. I think Kallis scored lots of runs here, but in BD, he did not succeed, also Amla, but the surprise was Peterson who showed that he is a bowler as well as a batsman.

[JonBain]

Well you guys outfielded the south africans? And all you do is blame the batters and bowlers, when you should deport the groundsmen to australia on a one way trip.

Very excellent work to the Bangers! You did far better than average whilst playing against two tough teams at the same time!

1 dropped catch is just tough luck.
Still, if he held it, the rest of the SA innings all went in favour of the Bangers?
No problems with your team at all.
Why not talk about how much better you were at fielding than the best fielding side for .. well since i've been watching - basically since the end of the nazi govt.

Smith has been our worst capt since then - but a spledid batsman - he should be at the no 4 spot.

[billah]

Originally Posted by zainab
We fans should try to banish the gloom and doom atmosphere that prevails on this forum.

Please read Pundit's scorecard of the test matches between SA and NZ, and carefully analyse the scorecard. You will come to realize that a quality team like NZ perished against SA with Steyn carrying out the devastation.
IMO, BD did not perform very badly. here .Also, if anyone can access the scorecard for the Test matches between SA and Pakistan, one will also see how Steyn bowled brilliantly. I think Kallis scored lots of runs here, but in BD, he did not succeed, also Amla, but the surprise was Peterson who showed that he is a bowler as well as a batsman.

2 things.

1. Steyn is on dope. Seriously, he should be tested right away.
2. Give us the ODI series 2-1. Gloom & doom will take care of themselves.

[Dhakablues]

SA is no Zimbabwe that we expected an easy win but we saw what went out there. We saw how the batsman threw away wickets. No doubt that in the 2nd innings there were bouncers but before that all the wickets fell on the first test was due to batsman lack of patience and maturity than SA's credit. In fact, I think had it been Zimbabwe, they wouldve won the match being in that position. I bet we will even have a hard time against Brandon Taylor, Price, Utseya and Masakadza even because these players may not be as flashy and stroke makers like Ashraful/Aftab but they dont throw their wickets at all... you will have to earn their wickets. What Smith said was nothing we didnt know already but a testament that we are consistently thinking of young talents, who is the next sensation and easily get bored with Rajin/Razzaque/Mehrab/Riad/Nazim like players. That can certainly continue if we expect innings defeat like stories all the time...

[akabir77]

1st Test our Batsmen gave a gift to SA
2nd Test SA bowlers didn't even gave our batsmen to do that...

Bottom line i have been saying this for long time now and smith just agreed with me. We needed to get all the 26-32 aged players in the team and let siddon try to fix them...

This is now like another U19 team who know what they will do in 3 years? so what guarantee is there that all these player will play continue play with 110%? may be they will lose interest like MASH. and we will be in the same loop. instead we should have worked with half skilled regeneration and let the supper skill generation grow...

[zahid]

We are sending kids to do Men's jobs. Vujen!

[pocha]

Originally Posted by Pundit
To cheer you all up, with the caveat that this happened in SA:

Common sense tell the NZ massacre happened in SA, any team can be bludgeoned like that there. Its very convenient to run away from reality, afterall we have been doing this for several years. Lets not have any comfort feel factor now and repeat the same mistake over n over again. Rather make the team work like a mad dog & slog their A** out for the future. If possible, help them to do that.

[Niceman70]

Originally Posted by pocha
Common sense tell the NZ massacre happened in SA, any team can be bludgeoned like that there. Its very convenient to run away from reality, afterall we have been doing this for several years. Lets not have any comfort feel factor now and repeat the same mistake over n over again. Rather make the team work like a mad dog & slog their A** out for the future. If possible, help them to do that.

isshhh pochaya disee...

[kalpurush]

Smith: 'Tigers too young'
Well, প্যাদানী তো খাচ্ছিলো প্রথম টেস্ট-এ "too young" দের কাছেই!
বকর বকর না করে নয় তারিখে মুখ দেখাবে কি করে চিন্তা করুক... কোথায় জেসাসের নাম নিবে, তা না...!!!?

[Dhakablues]

Bhaijan: Shesh Bhalo jar shob bhalo tar... Itihashey kothaw lekha thakbe na je SA naka chubani Khachchilo dui diner jonno,,, "Ostader Mair Shesh Raitey" boley kotha,, shesh porjonto Ghol ta amrai Khailam....Shutarang, Hatikey Laththi marar shujog amader Telepokader ar holo na,,,, Hati dombher shurei Boltey parey ja kichu..

[Antora]

I saw this on the news..... and what he said is right! i guess.....
but then again are The players aged from 25-30 gonna be any good? i mean the "youngs" nearly had them in the first test ........
I doubt it will make any difference.