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Old March 11, 2008, 09:39 PM
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I don't know why there is so much of ranting against the selectors for dropping Zunaed or Sahadat. I support the rotation policy BCB is trying to imply here. It would have been even better if we could balance this policy of rotating batsmen with bowlers. We should have a vast pool of fast bowlers to choose from, I emphasize fast bowlers because except the sub-continent if you want to achieve a test win you need your frontline bowlers to take wickets, and let's accept it guys Bangladeshi spinners never turn a thread to be called even talented or wicket takers.

Now, Shahadat wasn't dropped. He was accomodated in the first ODI and made way for the Second Odi. There is a difference. Mashrafe was dropped and the team that centres on Ashraful,Aftab,Mashrafe and maybe Tamim and Sakib for an ODI win will feature them obviously. The other places are for grabs and the rotation policy works when the core is static and others are tried and tested.

See what I am trying to point out also is that Bangladesh Team players never take the challenge to keep their place.

Viscious Circle

Fear of getting dropped---> Affects Performance---->Get dropped

Rotation Policy ...

Start from the viscious circle (current scenario)Get Dropped---> Introduce new or old players ----> if perform then place certain in the side or else new players come in

Now why do i support this? Simple, We have a bigger pool of players to choose from, and instead of fearing getting dropped which is probably the current scenario of the bangladeshi team each and every player in the pool will fight to their best to keep their place and perform because they know there is a better player who is performing sitting on the benches INSTEAD of just fearing for his spot.

I have heard thousand reasons why this should not be implemented in this forum. But, we can take examples from India how they rotate their bowlers, Australia how they rotate their allrounders, South Africa how they rotate their front line bowlers again, England how they rotate their whole team.... list goes on.

I suggest all the fans here to support the team not individuals. I would still go with a player even if he fails for a team like Bangladesh if he wins single handedly a match, he is indespensible considering we only have around 10+ wins in 100+ Odis we played against top tier teams. Sorry to say this, but if Junaed is not that player or a player whose low confidence is bursting out through the TV Screen even then I rather give a chance to the top of the hundred others waiting. And if you say there is no talent in Bangladesh I suggest you stop hoping or even supporting our national team.

Going back to Mashrafe, I would rephrase the drop to rest now. He needs it. Just for a second put your place in him, the pressure of being the player to perform every match and take wickets, the pain of staying away from family and friends for long periods of time, the mental and physical exhaustion of playing matches after match and most of the time morale going down after seeing atrocious performance by others and maybe feeling let down, his body, his injuries....... If you consider these factors along with many others you will realize why he needs a much needed rest. If you want examples of mental and physical exhaustion there are thousands, most recently the burst outs from Lou Vincent and Shaun Tait which shows how tough international cricket really is. This is where rotation policy again comes in and is so important to give other batsmen or bowlers matches to play or prove themselves.

There you go, most of the fans here think short term. The difference with you and me is I am thinking long term.
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Old March 11, 2008, 09:51 PM
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Since Dhoni became captain, India has also rotated their players and for the good of the team. Bangladesh though need to be very careful, because it will erode confidence in these young players.
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Old March 11, 2008, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tanvir_nus
I don't know why there is so much of ranting against the selectors for dropping Zunaed or Sahadat. I support the rotation policy BCB is trying to imply here. It would have been even better if we could balance this policy of rotating batsmen with bowlers. We should have a vast pool of fast bowlers to choose from, I emphasize fast bowlers because except the sub-continent if you want to achieve a test win you need your frontline bowlers to take wickets, and let's accept it guys Bangladeshi spinners never turn a thread to be called even talented or wicket takers.

Now, Shahadat wasn't dropped. He was accomodated in the first ODI and made way for the Second Odi. There is a difference. Mashrafe was dropped and the team that centres on Ashraful,Aftab,Mashrafe and maybe Tamim and Sakib for an ODI win will feature them obviously. The other places are for grabs and the rotation policy works when the core is static and others are tried and tested.

See what I am trying to point out also is that Bangladesh Team players never take the challenge to keep their place.

Viscious Circle

Fear of getting dropped---> Affects Performance---->Get dropped

Rotation Policy ...

Start from the viscious circle (current scenario)Get Dropped---> Introduce new or old players ----> if perform then place certain in the side or else new players come in

Now why do i support this? Simple, We have a bigger pool of players to choose from, and instead of fearing getting dropped which is probably the current scenario of the bangladeshi team each and every player in the pool will fight to their best to keep their place and perform because they know there is a better player who is performing sitting on the benches INSTEAD of just fearing for his spot.

I have heard thousand reasons why this should not be implemented in this forum. But, we can take examples from India how they rotate their bowlers, Australia how they rotate their allrounders, South Africa how they rotate their front line bowlers again, England how they rotate their whole team.... list goes on.

I suggest all the fans here to support the team not individuals. I would still go with a player even if he fails for a team like Bangladesh if he wins single handedly a match, he is indespensible considering we only have around 10+ wins in 100+ Odis we played against top tier teams. Sorry to say this, but if Junaed is not that player or a player whose low confidence is bursting out through the TV Screen even then I rather give a chance to the top of the hundred others waiting. And if you say there is no talent in Bangladesh I suggest you stop hoping or even supporting our national team.

Going back to Mashrafe, I would rephrase the drop to rest now. He needs it. Just for a second put your place in him, the pressure of being the player to perform every match and take wickets, the pain of staying away from family and friends for long periods of time, the mental and physical exhaustion of playing matches after match and most of the time morale going down after seeing atrocious performance by others and maybe feeling let down, his body, his injuries....... If you consider these factors along with many others you will realize why he needs a much needed rest. If you want examples of mental and physical exhaustion there are thousands, most recently the burst outs from Lou Vincent and Shaun Tait which shows how tough international cricket really is. This is where rotation policy again comes in and is so important to give other batsmen or bowlers matches to play or prove themselves.

There you go, most of the fans here think short term. The difference with you and me is I am thinking long term.

dude, this is the funniest thread I have ever read. Selectors are not making the team, selectors are making the squad. Coach,Captain, and team management are making the team.

you know what they did to pilot,rafique,and others in the past... so why are u supporting them now... In future you willl see one of of your favorite players get dropped, and you will say i'm supporting the selectors
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Old March 11, 2008, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tanvir_nus
I don't know why there is so much of ranting against the selectors for dropping Zunaed or Sahadat. I support the rotation policy BCB is trying to imply here. It would have been even better if we could balance this policy of rotating batsmen with bowlers. We should have a vast pool of fast bowlers to choose from, I emphasize fast bowlers because except the sub-continent if you want to achieve a test win you need your frontline bowlers to take wickets, and let's accept it guys Bangladeshi spinners never turn a thread to be called even talented or wicket takers.

Now, Shahadat wasn't dropped. He was accomodated in the first ODI and made way for the Second Odi. There is a difference. Mashrafe was dropped and the team that centres on Ashraful,Aftab,Mashrafe and maybe Tamim and Sakib for an ODI win will feature them obviously. The other places are for grabs and the rotation policy works when the core is static and others are tried and tested.

See what I am trying to point out also is that Bangladesh Team players never take the challenge to keep their place.

Viscious Circle

Fear of getting dropped---> Affects Performance---->Get dropped

Rotation Policy ...

Start from the viscious circle (current scenario)Get Dropped---> Introduce new or old players ----> if perform then place certain in the side or else new players come in

Now why do i support this? Simple, We have a bigger pool of players to choose from, and instead of fearing getting dropped which is probably the current scenario of the bangladeshi team each and every player in the pool will fight to their best to keep their place and perform because they know there is a better player who is performing sitting on the benches INSTEAD of just fearing for his spot.

I have heard thousand reasons why this should not be implemented in this forum. But, we can take examples from India how they rotate their bowlers, Australia how they rotate their allrounders, South Africa how they rotate their front line bowlers again, England how they rotate their whole team.... list goes on.

I suggest all the fans here to support the team not individuals. I would still go with a player even if he fails for a team like Bangladesh if he wins single handedly a match, he is indespensible considering we only have around 10+ wins in 100+ Odis we played against top tier teams. Sorry to say this, but if Junaed is not that player or a player whose low confidence is bursting out through the TV Screen even then I rather give a chance to the top of the hundred others waiting. And if you say there is no talent in Bangladesh I suggest you stop hoping or even supporting our national team.

Going back to Mashrafe, I would rephrase the drop to rest now. He needs it. Just for a second put your place in him, the pressure of being the player to perform every match and take wickets, the pain of staying away from family and friends for long periods of time, the mental and physical exhaustion of playing matches after match and most of the time morale going down after seeing atrocious performance by others and maybe feeling let down, his body, his injuries....... If you consider these factors along with many others you will realize why he needs a much needed rest. If you want examples of mental and physical exhaustion there are thousands, most recently the burst outs from Lou Vincent and Shaun Tait which shows how tough international cricket really is. This is where rotation policy again comes in and is so important to give other batsmen or bowlers matches to play or prove themselves.

There you go, most of the fans here think short term. The difference with you and me is I am thinking long term.

i support the selectors too. so players will be more cautious about their position. it will bring more comptitive attitude. i wish they have some test and ODI specialist, who will play only certain pattern of game and will not ruin their career.

example:
shahadat---only test
rajin--------test
javed omar--test
mehrab Jr--test
kapali-----test
tushar----test
enamul Jr---test
razzaq---ODI
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Old March 11, 2008, 11:33 PM
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some of the changes were necessary. like mash needed rest. i wish in the 3rd match, they bring back farhad reza, he is a true fighter. we need him in all version of game
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