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Old March 22, 2008, 04:08 PM
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Default raqibul, aftab, and changing ODI scenarios

this post is based on the following assumptions:

1) that aftab and raqib are class batsmen
2) that they are integral to our ODI side

right now aftab is at #3 and is our best batsman at exploiting the power plays. he has also shown an willingness and ability to curb aerial strokes and score without relying on boundaries. i feel that our batting lineup should shift according to our personnel and their respective strenghtss should game scenarios change.

scenario 1 - Bangladesh batting first, openers get off to a flier

in this case, IMO, it is risky to put aftab in. suppose aftab gets out cheaply. aftab will never hurt the run rate, but if he is out cheaply, it puts pressure on ash and the rest of the batsmen given aftab's prolific scoring abilities. rather than have aftab at #3, i would propose having raqib come in at #3. he is a batsman who can build the innings, and anchor so that we don't have a collapse. he can free up the guy at the other end to score freely. aftab can play at 6th position and we can use his new-found ability to score without boundaries in the slog overs. this is something which raqib can't do, and would be a waste coming in at 6 or 7.

scenario 2 - Bangladesh chasing big score, openers get off to a flier

in this case, it might be a good idea to keep aftab at one down so the RRR is managed. but it may also help to bring raqib in and prevent a collapse. in this case, ash would have to mange the RR through the middle overs a la cardiff 2005. aftab could slog in the last 10 and possibly get us a win.

scenario 3 - Bangladesh batting first, openers struggle

in this case, having aftab at #3 is a must. if we struggle to say 40-2 after 15 overs, we need a guy who can exploit the last power play to increase the RR. raqib can consolidate if aftab gets out cheaply, and ash will have to pick up aftab's dirty laundry.

scenario 4 - Bangladesh chasing big score, openers struggle

this situation would basically already mean the game is lost. but again, having aftab at #3 is a must. its the only hope we have.
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Old March 22, 2008, 04:21 PM
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agree with every single scenario..but whatever happens, raqib shouldnt bat at #6 like he was made to do in the 3rd Odi against ireland. when he got out for 2, people started b*tching and even started talking about dropping him..imo he should either bat at #3 or #5. and like u said basically aftab can come in at #3 only when the openers fail
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Old March 22, 2008, 04:59 PM
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agree with every single scenario..but whatever happens, raqib shouldnt bat at #6 like he was made to do in the 3rd Odi against ireland. when he got out for 2, people started b*tching and even started talking about dropping him..imo he should either bat at #3 or #5. and like u said basically aftab can come in at #3 only when the openers fail
I like roqibul, but i also want Zunaid in the team. Both should get chance from time to time. We really need to groom these two players properly. They can provide a lot of stability to our batting order.
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Old March 22, 2008, 09:42 PM
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agree with every single scenario..but whatever happens, raqib shouldnt bat at #6 like he was made to do in the 3rd Odi against ireland. when he got out for 2, people started b*tching and even started talking about dropping him..imo he should either bat at #3 or #5. and like u said basically aftab can come in at #3 only when the openers fail
when u r playing at no 6 it some times get very irritatin if the top 5 does the bulk of the scoring and u get only 7-8 overs to play.

so we should not ctiticise those players for that.

but one thing. we can drop raqibul and bring another bowler (rasel or shahadat in)

because the all round abilty of riad and reza will be more useful than raqibul.

and raqibul has a lot of time to improve his game.
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Raqibul should bat up the order. The perfect spot for him is number 5.
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Old March 22, 2008, 10:48 PM
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Raqibul should come in at 3/4. That is the perfect place for him.

Ashraful should come in at 5.
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our batting is a bit too top heavy at this point. we do not have anyone to accelerate in the late overs. sakib and raqib are both playing for the #5 slot i would think. it makes sense to try raqibul at #3 and bring aftab at #6.
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rakib ke drop kore junaed ke 3rd odi khelano uchit chilo.
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Old March 23, 2008, 06:51 AM
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Normally statistics doesn't lie. If you look at Raqib's first class and list A career records you will find he is a solid performer.
Batting and fielding averages

Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
ODIs 6 5 0 94 63 18.80 191 49.21 0 1 5 0 0 0
First-class 19 34 1 1348 313* 40.84 3095 43.55 2 8

15 0
List A 27 26 3 822 133 35.73

1 8

6 0

He knows how to play long innings. His averages in both first class and list A version of the game are above 35. That is good sign. If a player doesn't have good record in domestic cricket then how can we expect him to play well in internation level?

Raqibul has a good record under his belt and that's why I am hoping him to perform well in international level too. He is different from most of our batsmen who basically relies on big shots. Raqibul is a inning builder and scores runs mostly from singles and doubles. Though he has big shots in his hands, his patience gives us a good indication of a future reliable middle order batsman.
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I like most of the assumptions for Al Furqaan bhai's scenarios but I'm not so sure about the first one.

Because if we get off to a good start and someone gets out (let's say 75/1 in 15 overs), if Raqib comes in, he may/will bring the RR down (severely) which would put other pressure on the batsmen on the other end, and a wicket will fall anyways.

Also, it's known that Raqib succeeds against spin bowling and coming in the powerplays wouldn't do him as much good in that aspect either.

I do like the idea of sending him at #5 and perhaps sending Shakib down at #6. But I would definatly like to see Raqib on the team for the Pak tour.
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Old March 23, 2008, 02:24 PM
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I like most of the assumptions for Al Furqaan bhai's scenarios but I'm not so sure about the first one.

Because if we get off to a good start and someone gets out (let's say 75/1 in 15 overs), if Raqib comes in, he may/will bring the RR down (severely) which would put other pressure on the batsmen on the other end, and a wicket will fall anyways.

Also, it's known that Raqib succeeds against spin bowling and coming in the powerplays wouldn't do him as much good in that aspect either.

I do like the idea of sending him at #5 and perhaps sending Shakib down at #6. But I would definatly like to see Raqib on the team for the Pak tour.
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Nazimuddin should play ODI instead of Rakibul in the middle order.
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Nazimuddin should play ODI instead of Rakibul in the middle order.
we dont need another aftab wanna-be in the squad (note: the previous aftab, not the sensible aftab we have now)
nazim will play two beautiful shots and then next ball lbw or caught, whats the point of that
raqib will bring stability in the middle order
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Old March 23, 2008, 05:49 PM
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I like most of the assumptions for Al Furqaan bhai's scenarios but I'm not so sure about the first one.

Because if we get off to a good start and someone gets out (let's say 75/1 in 15 overs), if Raqib comes in, he may/will bring the RR down (severely) which would put other pressure on the batsmen on the other end, and a wicket will fall anyways.

Also, it's known that Raqib succeeds against spin bowling and coming in the powerplays wouldn't do him as much good in that aspect either.

I do like the idea of sending him at #5 and perhaps sending Shakib down at #6. But I would definatly like to see Raqib on the team for the Pak tour.
that would be true if raqib were javed omar. however, i think he is a far classier player, and thus he will be a dravid-style consolidator and not a javed-type one.
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that would be true if raqib were javed omar. however, i think he is a far classier player, and thus he will be a dravid-style consolidator and not a javed-type one.
abso-freakin-lutely
right on man! u hit the deck saying "he will be a dravid style consolidator"
raqib is no javed omar, anyone who saw the second odi vs the saffers would know the class of this batsman

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abso-freakin-lutely
right on man! u hit the deck saying "he will be a dravid style consolidator"
raqib is no javed omar, anyone who saw the second odi vs the saffers would know the class of this batsman
Dude, Raqib is not as good as you think he is. He has got no shot in the book. 3 of 4 of his bounderies has been behind square and couple of them edged. he took 103 balls to score 63. He failed miserably on all the other matches including the one against ireland where he came in at the 35th over. He is ideal for test matches not ODI's. Javed could atleast play cut shots, this guy cant even do that.
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we dont need another aftab wanna-be in the squad (note: the previous aftab, not the sensible aftab we have now)
nazim will play two beautiful shots and then next ball lbw or caught, whats the point of that
raqib will bring stability in the middle order
We have got the sensible Aftab after playing long time in the national squad and has got the experience. Nazimuddin needs experience as well to impove his batting skills. Rokibul is more like a good test player to me. We need a hitter at no.5 or 6 position which would be done by Nazim.

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Dude, Raqib is not as good as you think he is. He has got no shot in the book. 3 of 4 of his bounderies has been behind square and couple of them edged. he took 103 balls to score 63. He failed miserably on all the other matches including the one against ireland where he came in at the 35th over. He is ideal for test matches not ODI's. Javed could atleast play cut shots, this guy cant even do that.
why would he need to play shots in a situation where the team has made 17 runs with the loss of four wickets. obviously he along with sakib needed to play in singles and doubles to rebuild, with occassional boundaries. yeah i havent seen him in the games vs ireland, but he looked good against a strong saffers attack. all im saying is he is an asset to our middle order, a player who can bat for long, build an innings so the rest can play around him. do we have any other players like that in the middle order?
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why would he need to play shots in a situation where the team has made 17 runs with the loss of four wickets. obviously he along with sakib needed to play in singles and doubles to rebuild, with occassional boundaries. yeah i havent seen him in the games vs ireland, but he looked good against a strong saffers attack. all im saying is he is an asset to our middle order, a player who can bat for long, build an innings so the rest can play around him. do we have any other players like that in the middle order?
Bangladesh doesn't need a batsman like Rokibul in the middle order in ODI. Middle order is a position where a batsman should score quickly and Rokibul failed to do that even against weaker Ireland. Yes, Rokibul is a good batsman for test cricket only.
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why would he need to play shots in a situation where the team has made 17 runs with the loss of four wickets. obviously he along with sakib needed to play in singles and doubles to rebuild, with occassional boundaries. yeah i havent seen him in the games vs ireland, but he looked good against a strong saffers attack. all im saying is he is an asset to our middle order, a player who can bat for long, build an innings so the rest can play around him. do we have any other players like that in the middle order?

He was an ideal batsmen for that particular situation, HOWEVER we cannot pick a team assuming or hoping that everytime we would be 4 down for 17 runs. Other than that his batting is only suitable for test matches, Period.
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We have got the sensible Aftab after playing long time in the national squad and has got the experience. Nazimuddin needs experience as well to impove his batting skills. Rokibul is more like a good test player to me. We need a hitter at no.5 or 6 position which would be done by Nazim.
in the bd batting line up, we already have 3-4 "hitters" in the top order which usually results in less then 100 runs with four wickets down..and yet u want another "hitter" in the no. 5, 6 position. "hitters" usually come down at no.7 or 8, like farhad, mashrafee or razzak. "hitters" in our batting line up will only take us as far as 150 runs in total..give or take 20 runs
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let's look at raqibul's strike rate for his knocks of 50+ in list A cricket (the scores and number of balls came from cricketarchive.com):

match score balls strike rate
bar vs raj 56 74 75.68
bar vs khu 50 68 73.53
bar vs syl 93* 75 124.00
bar vs chit 56 53 105.66
bar vs syl 87* 128 67.97
bar vs chit 56 69 81.16
bar vs syl 78 98 79.59
khu vs bar 133 131 101.53
bang vs RSA 63 105 60.00

the problem is he's batting at #6 (or lower), he needs to bat at #4 or possibly #3. in all these knocks he batted at 4 bar one where he opened. most of his 50+ knocks are scored at a strike rate of higher than 70 which is acceptable even in one-day cricket. now in international cricket it might take him longer to score but he hasn't played enough yet to get a good idea of whether that will or will not be the case. if they're only going to bat him 6 or lower then i agree there isn't much point of him being in the team, but if they push him up the order i think he'll do alright.

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