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Old April 13, 2008, 07:14 PM
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Default Is Mahmudullah Riyad a better option in opening if he's picked for the 4th ODI?

I know it's wrong to put the finger at anyone player in particular but I am not part of the Bd national team so I can do it and this forum is definitely not bound to respect any player if you think he/she has costed the game. My personal opinion is that Mahmudullah Riyad today wasted valuable balls which could have perhaps brought us to the promise land. He didn't try to do anything untill he brought the pressure on himself so him because of the dot balls that he had to get out. If you find fielders by playing shots that's ok but this guy was not looking for boundaries not even 2s when the RRR was more than 10. I am not saying he's a bad player but why put this guy in a situation where he can't play? Why play SN if he's not scoring? Mahmudullah looks a better batsman than a bowler so selectors need to select a better all rounder. I say put him in opening because ZS isn't playing and kick out SN. Wasting everyone time by putting him #6. Those who watched the game will know what I'm saying. If he's a middle order player by trade, to stay in the side if I were the coach/selector I would make him open. Team comes before what you prefer. He's got reasonable technique so it wouldn't be a bad option. I mean selectors aren't picking ZN for unknown reasons so if this is the team than drop SN and put him at opening. I like Dhiman where he is because he needs more batting experience before selectors can experiment with him.

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Old April 13, 2008, 07:27 PM
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Sure, that sounds great. Lets ruin another batsman's career by shuffling him up and down the order. I mean after all, what is the difference between handling a new ball and an old ball?
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Old April 13, 2008, 07:32 PM
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you have to realise that for players some days are easier than others, it's inevitable that even a player with a career strike rate of 90 will have days where he has a strike rate of 60.

also people continue to think you can just shuffle any player up to open and they'll be fine, opening is a specialist position it's very tough to turn yourself into an opener, in most cases the player either has what it takes or he doesn't.

i think riyad is fine where he is, currently bangladesh don't have any player better than riyad to bat in the latter overs imo.
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Old April 13, 2008, 07:42 PM
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You know I had predicted "drop omuk and drop tomuk" threads, but didn't see this one coming.

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Old April 13, 2008, 08:26 PM
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I wouldn't mind seeing Riad being promoted in the line up. But not as an opener though. Atleast not now.
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Old April 13, 2008, 09:52 PM
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I dont think so..let him anchor the late middle order..where he's good at..
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Old April 13, 2008, 09:55 PM
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having riyad coming up the order like 2nd down or 3rd down...maybe a gud idea....not opening...let's not screw up another player...
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Old April 13, 2008, 09:55 PM
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He is one of the very few players I like at number 6 because he rotates the strike so well. Maybe number 5 at best but this is the right spot for him. It is very hard to chase a total when the required runrate is 10 an over. So I don't blame him much for today. I only hope he improves his bowling a bit because it is not quite upto the international standard yet.
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Old April 13, 2008, 10:07 PM
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i think he is fine in his position. he is the only dependable hope for late order. i think, zunaed should open in the next match. if we wanna lose the match, then we can play nafees.
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Old April 13, 2008, 10:17 PM
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I would rate this thread to be a very poor one.
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Old April 13, 2008, 10:50 PM
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Sure, that sounds great. Lets ruin another batsman's career by shuffling him up and down the order. I mean after all, what is the difference between handling a new ball and an old ball?
His career will be finished? What a joke! Facing the white new ball in Pakistan and in most countries is not a big deal. If you can bat you can bat. If this guy opens than Bd can afford to add a hitter/bowler at 6. I could have made runs there on that pitch. Even though did nothing this game, I like his batting and I think he can bat at the top because he's got a lot of common sense and better technique than SN. It wouldn't make sense to play him as an all rounder...he can a part time who fills in 5-7 overs at max. None of our openers bowl so, if he opens it fills that void as well. Dravid batted at #3 at the begining of his career, then at #5 for a long time and even opened. Many Australians did it. It's not a big deal just need to change the thought process that's it. Judging by your shock to a simple shifting of one player for the betterment of the team I am almost sure you don't play cricket competitively and haven't played enough at high level. Riyad's better equipped to play the new ball than SN. SN's got no balance, fishes outside off and gets runs from edges. At #6 you need players who can finish. Riyad showed he can't finish. Given the inning Sakib played would you drop him down? If they don't bring ZS, where should he play? Clearly his bowling is below par so Bd probably needs to find an opener that can bowl. Shane Watson was a middle order player but opened ODIs because that's the only way that was possible for him to get batting and to be in the team. At #6 in good teams you get to play fast bowlers because you're often batting in the 40th overs when the fast bowlers come back. If he can't accumulate in a fast rate can't bat #6. Look at the #6 in the world. Hussey, Misbah, McCallum, Dhoni, Boucher, Flintoff, etc.
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Old April 13, 2008, 10:53 PM
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I would rate this thread to be a very poor one.
That's your opinion but your opinion could have been different if you read what I said thoroughly instead of reacting by reading the title of the thread.
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Old April 14, 2008, 12:30 AM
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I just think that Riyad is the perfect type of player to build a partnership in the middle of an innings and I don't want to jeapordize that situation by moving him up the order.
Alot of times, when we bat first and we're on the brink of a batting collapse, it helps to have a cool headed player who can build a partnership and take the singles, so I think 3/4 down is a good position for Riyad.
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Old April 14, 2008, 12:48 AM
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Let the guy play on the slot as he is playing currently, he looked comfortable out there from the last two matches. He will be quite useful in the long run, it is time to stop drop in and out method which is not good for any prospect of cricket. Let the guy play more and get more confidence and built up strong platform on that slot for bd where he is playing at the moment. Beside he is not that bad as a bowler.
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Old April 14, 2008, 02:19 AM
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That's your opinion but your opinion could have been different if you read what I said thoroughly instead of reacting by reading the title of the thread.
I read it carefully brother. After reading your post, i made the comment.
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Old April 14, 2008, 09:06 AM
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eh...i really dont want to keep on experimenting with openers..i like him in the 6 slot
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Old April 14, 2008, 10:16 AM
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He did well where he played. And he was a very calmn player for that position. He played under a lot of pressure, and did VERY well I would say.

On top of that, we must give up this nature of "testing" a pair. We've got 3 openers, and we must stick to this for the rest of this tour...possibly until the foreseeable future aswell.
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Old April 14, 2008, 05:05 PM
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His career will be finished? What a joke! Facing the white new ball in Pakistan and in most countries is not a big deal.
I am sorry...If i reading it right...it says facing the white new ball is not a big deal. May be i have been told, read and coached completely wrong by professional players...who said you have to a specialist in top order if you need to face the new ball..regardless where you play.

But i guess you may have more experience facing the new ball which makes you contradict some international players.
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Old April 14, 2008, 05:08 PM
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I propose Rasel to open the innings(batting) with Razzak in the next game.

Anyone with me??

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Old April 14, 2008, 05:11 PM
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RIYAD open korle AMMM SALA duitai jaibo.
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Old April 14, 2008, 05:16 PM
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i think he is fine in his position. he is the only dependable hope for late order. i think, zunaed should open in the next match. if we wanna lose the match, then we can play nafees.
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Old April 14, 2008, 06:07 PM
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you have to realise that for players some days are easier than others, it's inevitable that even a player with a career strike rate of 90 will have days where he has a strike rate of 60.

also people continue to think you can just shuffle any player up to open and they'll be fine, opening is a specialist position it's very tough to turn yourself into an opener, in most cases the player either has what it takes or he doesn't.

i think riyad is fine where he is, currently bangladesh don't have any player better than riyad to bat in the latter overs imo.
Spot on! It takes a lot of guts and mental alertness to open and face these fast bowlers, not everyone can be an opener. Tamim seems comfortable, SN is still uncomfortable even after playing so many ODIs, Nazim and Zunaid have still not proven themselves because they have not been given enough opportunities.
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Old April 14, 2008, 06:28 PM
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riad is good in his position..no need to shuffle..although imo he ruined bd's chance to win in the 3rd ODI
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Old April 14, 2008, 07:29 PM
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Old April 14, 2008, 07:44 PM
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The guy belongs where he is. There are very few batsmen in bd who can just play by pure placing, and he is one of them. He is a very trustworthy player in the middle orders, and can hold the innings together. Very often in bd lineup we will need that stuff. He may be put a spot or two higher, but not as an opener, definitely not. There is a HUGE difference between playing when the fielders are spread, and playing in the power plays. It is perfect the way it is.

As for people who are saying that he is slow, I would just like to mention that he may not hit a lot of boundaries, but his strike rate has been ... well not just reasonable, but HEALTHY in almost all occasions till now.
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