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Old April 21, 2008, 10:34 PM
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Default Should ashrafool give up captaincy ?

I personally dont think he is a captain material. He has not matured enough to be a captain. I dont know whether he even understands that he should not be the captain. And as BCB looks reluctant to change captain should ashrafool himself come out and resign as the captain ?
Well next captain not sure. Let BCB find it.
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Old April 21, 2008, 11:34 PM
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Let BCB find it.
And where exactly do you think BCB will find ''it" from?
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Old April 21, 2008, 11:50 PM
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When you are not up to the par what you need is training. Certainly he can be a better captain. For the sake of the future we need to train Ash not give it to another person who won't be able to handle the pressure (Mash).
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Old April 22, 2008, 03:12 AM
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this is not the right question. the question should be "Should asraful give up cricket and start playing blind poker . evidently he is playing that with the bat and by the mouth
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Old April 22, 2008, 04:14 AM
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I would like to ask you a question before answering this one.
"Who will be the captain? Why on earth we have to waste another immature player by giving him early responsibilities?"
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Old April 22, 2008, 04:39 AM
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No

From where do you think BCB will bring one new captain? From the current 11 isn't it? You know them, Why can't you find out & recommend 1 captaincy material from the current 11? Coz you know, there is none whowill make a big difference.

So wy not let the captaincy be left alone? That's not our current prob. Main problem is 'Each player playing their part in the team' let that be solved. Let Ash learn from his mistakes and be a better captain in future.
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Old April 22, 2008, 05:03 AM
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I would like to ask you a question before answering this one.
"Who will be the captain? Why on earth we have to waste another immature player by giving him early responsibilities?"
thats why ekhon o kono bikalpa na thakar jonno ash ke mene nite hobe for d time being. to ami driri vabe believe kori ash er captency quality nai.
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Old April 22, 2008, 05:57 AM
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ash is not captain material.. he's got no clue when to do what.. but then.. at the moment.. who else do we have.. it is evident that bcb won't bring any of the old guys back.. so if they change captain.. who will it be?? i don't want any one elses carrier to be ruined as well.. everyone from the current bunch exept mash and razzak are younger to ash.. i don't like & don't want bowlers captaining the side.. its too much pressure on them.. we can't lose our main bowlers as well.. so atm let the captaincy stay with ash.. even though i don't like it one bit.. i'm ready to live with it for a while till we find a better person for the job.. coz i don't want any one elses carrier slayed by our so called cricket board..
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Old April 22, 2008, 06:41 AM
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Changing the captain will not add any value
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Old April 22, 2008, 06:59 AM
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The question is NOT if we should change the captain. The question is if Ashraful should give up captaincy ala Dravid to concenterate on his game.

If giving up captaincy means better performance from him, then he definitely should. His performance should be the reason he should be in the team and not only because he is a captain. At the end of the day Ash will know best what to do, and that is not saying much.
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Old April 22, 2008, 07:09 AM
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Isnt this all pretty obvious? I agree though, ash should give up the captaincy to concentrate on his batting and therefore put the BCB under pressure to find another captain..
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Old April 22, 2008, 07:23 AM
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ai kotha boila ami chillaitesi last 2 months dhore. phft. bangali sob kisu sesh moment a buje. BCB bujbe 2011 e. world cup er por
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he should give up cricket all together not only captaincy. Unless and until you find your mistake, there is no chance of improving. For Ash, its already proven (during the last seven years) that he is unable to learn anything.
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Old April 22, 2008, 09:22 AM
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ai kotha boila ami chillaitesi last 2 months dhore. phft. bangali sob kisu sesh moment a buje.

Amaro Ekyee kotha. Public ulta plata lafyee... kintu jokhon bujye... tokhon its too late.
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Old April 22, 2008, 09:57 AM
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Bina juddhe nahi dibo suchagro medini...50 years ago
Bina $$$ e nahi dibo suchagro captancy...now for Ashraful

He will rein the BD cricket for few years...with his charisticmatic pull shot that was named as Ashrapull. He is an inventor (scope shot, ashball), a model, a positive talker, a strict Eid follower, and overall the most talented batsman of the country.
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Old April 22, 2008, 10:25 AM
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Its very difficult to find replacement for Ash. right now !!! NYE MAAMAR CHEYE KAANA MAAMAI VAALO!!!
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Old April 22, 2008, 10:31 AM
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Its very difficult to find replacement for Ash. right now !!! NYE MAAMAR CHEYE KAANA MAAMAI VAALO!!!
How about if the Mama is Aundho?
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Old April 22, 2008, 10:41 AM
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ashraful er captaincy give up kora lagbena..emnitei chole jabe...

but question is... who will be the next captain?

do we have any option?? Shakib hoito ODI captaincy ta korlo.. jodi etate or battting er khoti hoi??

ar test er captain hobe ke?? shakibi to test kheltei parena.....
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Old April 22, 2008, 10:45 AM
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I am always opposed to have a non-performing player as the captain, it's bad for the team morale. Burden of captaincy is not helping Ashraful as a batsman either. I see no reason to continue with Ashraful. IMO, make Mashrafe the captain for now and make Shakib his deputy (to groom him for future).
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Old April 22, 2008, 10:49 AM
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How about if the Mama is Aundho?
Are you talking about Bucknor mama?
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Old April 22, 2008, 11:16 AM
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Are you talking about Bucknor mama?
Bucnor is your Mama and not Dada? Then how old are you Yasin Mama?
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Old April 22, 2008, 11:29 AM
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I am always opposed to have a non-performing player as the captain, it's bad for the team morale. Burden of captaincy is not helping Ashraful as a batsman either. I see no reason to continue with Ashraful. IMO, make Mashrafe the captain for now and make Shakib his deputy (to groom him for future).
Bapar ta musical chair er porjaye chole jasse na Ehsen? Ei vabe cholle dol er shobai ek bar kore captaincy r shwad peye jabe. Kintu problem solve hobe na...
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Old April 22, 2008, 11:34 AM
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Defiant Ashraful remains upbeat

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They might have been comprehensively whitewashed in the five-match ODI series and thumped in the one-off Twenty20, but Bangladesh captain Mohammad Ashraful was upbeat when the side returned from Pakistan.

"We played competitive cricket," he told reporters. "I think our performance was much better than our previous two series against New Zealand and South Africa. I believe we were competitive in the series if you considered our performance in the last two series. You know we have a long-term plan towards the World Cup of 2011.

"We had the target of scoring 200 runs consistently in the series and we achieved it thrice which I think is a big success for us. It could have been a much better series for us if we did not lose the last ODI that badly."

Ashraful, whose own form was poor - he managed 81 runs in the five ODIs - denied he was under pressure, although the public will continue to demand better from him and the side. "My performance was not too bad in the series as I got starts in most of the matches," he said. "You must have luck for a big score."

But Shakib Al Hasan, who scored a hundred in the fourth ODI, offered a more realistic view. "The team's morale is down after defeats one after another against the top sides," he admitted. "[This] was the main reason behind our bad performance and we have to get out from this situation."
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This says it all. Ash does not have a realistic view, is not producing results (for the team or himself), does not have the confidence and respect of the team and is full of excuses.

Captaincy is crucial to a team. Ash was given the captaincy with the hopes that it will be better similar to when we decide that marrying off somebody will solve all problems.

As to who is the replacement, lets go through the list of logical choices:

Mash : current VC, has respect of team, viable option. He already has added pressure as the expected #1 strike bowler and having to bowl after a low total by BD or batting earlier in terms of overs than he should as a #8, 9 or 10. I doubt Captaincy will impact his game further

Nafees : Definitely the perfect guy as the face of the team with his charisma and speaking abilities. Some argue about his form but he is more consistant that Ash and Aftab. Has the ability to convert starts and has experience as Bashar's deputy during Bangladesh's most successful period. And the in his case, the captaincy might make him think twice before trying to cut that ball wide on off stump

Shakib : WIthout a quesiton our future captain somewhere down the line. Maybe too early but definitely a VC behind Mash or Nafees. Look at his team and individual performance in the 2 practice games against SA. Doesn't give up and has an upbeat, realistic approach to the game. Right now, probably the only player who's spot is not in real jeopardy at the moment

Razzak : A long shot but I don't see it being worse that Ash

Bashar : Since the decision has been made to move forward with youth, this ship has sailed.

Pilot : This may not be a bad short term solution. If the arguement is Dhiman has been putting up runs as of late, well lets play him in the top order. We could use some runs in the top order.

I think the selectors and Siddons need to have individual interviews with the players and get their opinions. A good captain MUST have the backing of his team. Say what you will about Bashar's batting towards the end, he still got the results we needed as a captain. There was a stability and unity within the team during the Whatmore/Bashar period.
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Old April 22, 2008, 11:37 AM
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How about if the Mama is Aundho?
MAMARA- TO SHOB AUNDH-ER MOTOI BAT CHALAI!!!
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ai kotha boila ami chillaitesi last 2 months dhore. phft. bangali sob kisu sesh moment a buje. BCB bujbe 2011 e. world cup er por
miah, tumi to dui mash dhore chillaitacho, ami chillaitachi 5 months dhoira
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