The "All Things Islamic" Thread...

[al Furqaan]

Just post whatever comes to mind...this is intended to be an open thread, so jokes are welcome so long as blasphemy is avoided. I'll go first:

What are your views on polygamy? Does this have any relevance in the modern world?

[Alien]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
What are your views on polygamy? Does this have any relevance in the modern world?

Coming from 21st century, my obvious answer would be no. Islam says you can marry upto 4 people provided you can treat them equally. That I find really hard as there will always be a hint of favouritism. So that takes out my right to marry more than 1.

if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice."

During that time, men were doing the fighting and as they died many women became widowed and girls became orphaned. Do avoid illigal sex, or people taking advantage of them, Allah allowed men to marry more than once (up to 4).

War has long been gone in Saudi Arabia since they started sucking up to Americans. So there is no reason for them to go for multiple wives. So as usual, our Arab friends are breaking the rules.

[cricket_dorshok]

Originally Posted by Alien
During that time, men were doing the fighting and as they died many women became widowed and girls became orphaned. Do avoid illigal sex, or people taking advantage of them, Allah allowed men to marry more than once (up to 4).

No offense bro. but one things: Did/Should not Allah know that there will be a day when such situation will be changed and hence forbid men to marry more than one?

[Hatebreed]

At this day and age of Kahani Ghar Ghar Ki (or Eastenders), it's definite no. Seriously though, looking at the population growth, polygamy should be abandoned for good. People in third world countries can barely cope with the number of kids with one wife.

My question, what does the Quran say about contraception/birth control, and sex without intent for reproduction (i.e. pleasure)?

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Hatebreed
At this day and age of Kahani Ghar Ghar Ki (or Eastenders), it's definite no. Seriously though, looking at the population growth, polygamy should be abandoned for good. People in third world countries can barely cope with the number of kids with one wife.

My question, what does the Quran say about contraception/birth control, and sex without intent for reproduction (i.e. pleasure)?

there isn't anything written in the quran about contraception...but islamically, there isn't anything wrong with sex for pleasure only ..."your wives are a tilth for you, so go unto them however you wish". this verse does NOT allow sodomy however.

today's ulema seem to suggest that reversible contraception (i.e condoms) are permissable but ONLY provided that you aren't avoiding pregnancy because you fear you cannot afford the expenses of childrearing/pregnancy. irreversible methods such as tube tying, vasectomies, etc are NOT allowed, AFAIK, according to these ulema.

valid reasons cited by some ulema - again i don't know how authentic it is, but it makes sense - to use contraception are the following:

- wife wants to avoid pregnancy to maintain a nice figure for her husband
- if there is any danger to wife's health by becoming pregnant
- if the couple lives in a society where being muslim is dangerous due to persecution

the first seems a bit dodgy to me unless the couple eventually knows they have to have children.

[BD-Shardul]

The thread title needs some modification. It should be "All things Anti-Islamic" Thread...

[zahid]

Khali FCtey Islamic thread dekhi ajkal.

Desher bairey geley emoni hoy - you start questioning your roots and beliefs.

[Alien]

Originally Posted by cricket_dorshok
No offense bro. but one things: Did/Should not Allah know that there will be a day when such situation will be changed and hence forbid men to marry more than one?

Good question. The best answer to this is in this website: Link

But I'll copy and paste the part relevant to your question.

Why didn't Allah Almighty then directly prohibit polygamy?

Because Islam is the most straight forward religion, and because Islam is truly a religion for all times and all places that doesn't need to be modified as some of the other religions in the world do (including Christianity). Allah Almighty left the issue of polygamy open for Muslims in case Muslims face dilemmas in the future like the ones we faced during Islam's weak times by losing too many men. In cases like this, Muslim scholars should look into allowing polygamy. But until then, polygamy should be completely prohibited by the Muslim scholars according to the commands of Allah Almighty.


Also to add to that, Saudis aren't the only Muslims out there. While they are sleep tight on top of billions of barrels of oil below them, there are Muslim out there who are coping it hard else where like Palestine, Chechnya etc. War has never gone, it just shifted it's battlefield. Muslims still fight but not in Mecca, Medina, but in Chechnya, Phillippines, Afghanistan and numerous places.

Originally Posted by BD-Shradul
The thread title needs some modification. It should be "All things Anti-Islamic" Thread...

Why do you say that? What's so anti-Islamic in the last 8 posts? It's good people are ask questions and have all things clarified rather than keep it under wrap and lose faith altogether.

[al Furqaan]

thats actually a good point...the issue is open it says to marry "two, three, or four [wives]...[and if you can't] then only one"

[Rabz]

Originally Posted by BD-Shardul
The thread title needs some modification. It should be "All things Anti-Islamic" Thread...

care to explain why?

[auntu]

Originally Posted by zahid
Khali FCtey Islamic thread dekhi ajkal.

Desher bairey geley emoni hoy - you start questioning your roots and beliefs.

100% agree with u and start digging in a 'help ur self'. Doing 'Tafsir' of Quran by himself and consulting from any Hakkani Ulama or taking guide line from any authenticate book written by any Hakkani Ulama.

Rasul (sm) said (closest meaning) time will come when the Ualama's will be treated as the worst persons on earth. Rasul (sm) also said (closest meaning) there will be a competition of ignorance.

But we should not forget, 'Al Ulama un Warasatul Ambiah' means Ulamas are the heir of Ambia or Prophet because Prophets Blood related heirs don’t get anything of his property or materials. They left the 'Elem' of Allah subhanatala and the Ulamas are carrying it within their soul. So that’s how they become the heir of Rasul and Nabi's. So pay respect to them.

[al Furqaan]

also, Hatebreed, sex for pleasure is the way Allah meant it, so i see no problems with that. what we have to remember is that it has to be done in a decent and halal way thats the only price to pay.

Allah is Gracious.

[Alien]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
[and if you can't] then only one"

Unfortunately, many of these so called "ideal" muslim ignore this bit.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Alien
Unfortunately, many of these so called "ideal" muslim ignore this bit.

or just give in to their lust...

but honestly, how hard could it be to treat multiple wives equally? all you need to is quantify everything and microsoft excel will take care of the rest. its all a matter of compensating to re-establish the balance.

[Arnab]

Why was China mentioned in Quran/Hadith but not India?

[BD-Shardul]

Originally Posted by Arnab
Why was China mentioned in Quran/Hadith but not India?

China was far from Arab compared to India.

[Alien]

Originally Posted by Arnab
Why was China mentioned in Quran/Hadith but not India?

If you are referring to the hadith where the Prophet (peace be on him) said "Seek knowledge as far as China", he is asking us to extend our knowledge as far as possible. Seeking knowledge as far as China also encompasses seeking knowledge as far as India. So there you go.

[Kabir]

Originally Posted by Arnab
Why was China mentioned in Quran/Hadith but not India?

Because China starts with C, and India with I. And C comes first in alphabetic order. There's no other favoritism there.

[Fantastic]

Originally Posted by Kabir
Because China starts with C, and India with I. And C comes first in alphabetic order. There's no other favoritism there.

In Arabic alif is first though

[Kabir]

Originally Posted by Fantastic
In Arabic alif is first though

Damn...I didn't know!

[GuruTM]

Originally Posted by Fantastic
In Arabic alif is first though

In arabic its called "Hi'nd" rather than india. So its starts with H not i or alif for that matter. There is a famous Hadith about India though.

[BD-Shardul]

Originally Posted by GuruTM
In arabic its called "Hi'nd" rather than india. So its starts with H not i or alif for that matter. There is a famous Hadith about India though.

What is that Hadith?

[Puck]

shardul, i think guru was referring to the 'moon cracking' event as witnessed by the king of malabar. the following is a badly presented website but throws up enough information that should keep you occupied - http://www.answering-christianity.com/moon_split.htm

the following is more readable -
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/151/

[GuruTM]

Shardul, I am unable to find the actual Hadith from the net at the moment. But here are a couple of quotes that are derivative of that Hadith. It is actually the Hadith on signs of Qyamat and arrival of Imam Mahdi.

The Signs Heralding the Reappearance of Imam al-Mahdi (a.s)
Prophet Muhammed (s.a.w.) has said: "Even if the entire duration of the world’s existence has already been exhausted and only one day is left before Doomsday, Allah will expand that day to such length of time as to accommodate the kingdom of a person from my Ahlul-Bayt who will be called by name. He will fill out the earth with and justice as it will have been full of injustice and tyranny (by then)"

From this Hadith, it is clear to every Muslim that the twelfth Imam will reappear when this world is full of sins and injustice.

There are many signs mentioned by the Masumeen (a.s) on the reappearance of the 12th Imam. It is reported in Biharul Anwar that after the last pilgrimage the Prophet made, the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) stood near the Kaaba, and called his people to listen to him. The Prophet said: “listen to me carefully so that you transmit these words of mine to those who are absent today.” The Prophet began, “My people, a time will come when kings and rulers will be tyrannical.” The Prophet also said that the payment of Zakat will be stopped.

According to the Masumeen (a.s), Muslim countries will seek aid from non Muslim countries. This is already evident in a number of Muslim countries. Another prediction that is come true is that 60 impostors will claim to be Prophets. By their attractiveness, their persuasion, and their personality, they will misguide the people. 58 false Prophets have already emerged since the days of the Prophet (s.a.w.). We have only two more to witness.

It is reported in Qayamat-e-Sughra citing “Oqdatud-Durr” that Hazrat Amir (A.S) has said that the Mahdi will not appear until one-third of the world population will die by being killed and one-third will die as a result of epidemics.

The Last Signs Heralding the Appearance of Imam al-Mahdi (a.s)
There is a Hadith from Imam Muhammed Baqir (a.s) that for three or seven consecutive days, one will see reddish yellow fire raging in the East.

Sufiani will emerge in Palestine, where he will start a revolt in the month of Rajab. He will be an uncompassionate rebel and his rule will last for eight consecutive months. He will conquer and rule Egypt for four consecutive months. Sufiani will conquer Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Jordan, and Syria. Sufiani has been specifically described by Aimma A.S. as an ugly, blistered, green-eyed, cross-eyed person who will be an enemy of the friends of the Ahlul-Bait. Imam Ali (a.s) has said that Sufiani’s hatred of the devotees of the Ahlul-Bait will be such that any person named Ali, Fatema, Hassan, Hussein, Zainab, Ruquaiya will be arrested and beheaded straight away without further investigations. Sufiani will rip the Mimber of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.). The holy house of the Prophet which contains his grave will be pulled and used as a stable. Horses will be tied in that Holy place.

Sufiani will then decide to attack Makka. His purpose would be to demolish the Holy Kaaba and kill the entire population of Makka. Sufiani’s army will set out via Baghdad but, as Allah would have it, when they get between Medina and Makka, in the desert of Baida, suddenly one night they will hear a voice from the sky which will say, “O Baida eat up the entire army of Sufiani.” It is said that the entire army numbering 100,000 persons will be swallowed up by the earth, except for two. The two who will be spared will suddenly encounter an angel. He will slap both of them turning their faces right round, looking behind instead of front. And that will be the time when Imam al-Mahdi (a.s) will already have reappeared in Makka. The Imam will establish his authority in the Holy Mosque at Makka in the Haram. The angel will then order one of them calling him Bashir. “O Bashir, go straight to Makka, into the Haram and inform the Imam that Sufiani’s army has been swallowed up by the land. The other called Nazir will be ordered to go to Sufiani and tell him that the Imam has already appeared. He should proceed straight to Makka and declare allegiance to him.

Sufiani will prepare to attack the Imam but will not have enough courage. The Imam will catch Sufiani in Jerusalem and will kill him.

Imam Ali (a.s) has said that nine definite signs will precede the emergence of Hazrat Mahdi (a.s). These nine signs are:

Dajaal will emerge. A loud voice will be heard from the sky. Sufiani will appear and wage a fierce war. The army of Sufiani will be swallowed by a sudden opening of the land between Makka and Medina in the desert of Baida. A revered wise saint will be murdered in Makka. (This saint is to be a Hashimite descent.) A Seyyid descendant of Imam Hassan (a.s) will emerge with his army. The army of Seyyid-e-Hassan and an image of a man will appear in the sky opposite the sun. There will be two eclipses in the holy month of Ramadhan contrary to the normal order and calculation and the eclipse of the moon. On three occasions a loud voice from the sky will be heard in the holy month of Ramadhan.

The Reappearance
Hazrat Isa (Jesus), Hazrat Khizr, Hazrat Ilias, and Hazrat Idris (a.s) will give allegiance to the Imam when he re-appears. Also Jibrael will announce 313 companions of the Imam. These 313 companions will be people of eminent piety, great knowledge and absolutely steadfast in their determination and faith towards the Imam. Another 1000 people will be in the army of the Imam. These people will fight battles and kill enemies like Dajal, who will appear from India. Dajal will have the musical tunes with him. Then the Imam will lead the prayers, Hazrat Isa (a.s) will be behind him.

Signs of Qayamat

Qayamah

A. The occurrences before the Major Signs:

GENOCIDE
A man from Abu Sufyaan’s progeny massacres descendents of Nabi (SAL-LA-LLAHO ALAYHE WASALLAM) and rules over Syria and Egypt.

WAR
A major war between Muslims and Christians: Half the Christian army will sign a peace treaty with the Muslim army, while the second half of the Christian army remains the common enemy.

ISTANBUL CONQUERED BY CHRISTIANS
The enemy half of the Christian army conquers Constantinople (Istanbul),Turkey.

ISTANBUL RECONQUERED JOINTLY BY MUSLIM AND CHRISTIANS
The Muslims and the good half of the Christian army conquer Constantinople together, against the enemy Christians. Thereafter, a Christian will say the victory was due to the cross, and the Muslim will say it was due to Islam. A battle between both sides will ensue, and the Muslim Ruler will be martyred.

SYRIA CONQUERED BY CHRISTIANS
The two Christian armies reunite, conquering Syria.

CHRISTIAN DOMINATION
Christians dominate the world up to Khaiber (near Madinah), and they will pursue Muslims with 80 flags, with 12,000 men under each flag.

MUSLIMS AWAIT IMAM MAHDI
TOTAL ECLIPSE
A total eclipse of the sun and moon will occur in Ramadhan, prior to Imam
Mahdi’s emergence.

IMAM MAHDI EMERGES
At age 40, Imam Mahdi appears in Makkah, then flees to Madinah.
B. The Major Signs (i.e. events after the emergence of Imam Mahdi)

MUSLIM ARMY MARCHES
The army of Mansoor from Khurasaan will head towards Makkah to aid Imam Mahdi. They will win many battles on the way. No force will be able to stop them. They will carry black flags.

SUFYAANI ARMY SWALLOWED BY THE EARTH.
The Sufyaani army (an Anti-Muslim force) from Syria singles out Imam Mahdi for execution. On the way to Makkah, they get swallowed into the ground. A second Sufyaani army is created with 960,000 men (of 80 nations).

CONFRONTATION IN SYRIA
Imam Mahdi and the Muslim army go to Syria to confront the Christians. The
Christians, before the battle, will ask Muslims for the return of their prisoners-of-war. The Muslims will refuse. The battle will begin. One-third of Imam Mahdi’s army will flee (their repentance will not be accepted), one-third will be martyred, and one-third will gain victory over the Christians.

MUSLIM ARMY UNDER IMAM MAHDI CONQUERS PALESTINE JIHAAD ON INDIA
A jamaat of Muslims wages Jihaad on India and be successful.

SYRIA UNDER MUSLIM RULE
Imam Mahdi returns to Syria and establishes Muslim rule over the lands he passes.

ANIMOSTIY RIFE AMONGST THE PEOPLE
At this time, Muslims will be weak and there will be very few pious people.

3 RUMORS OF EMERGENCE OF DAJJAL (´Anti-Christ´)... 3 YEARS OF DROUGHT
Before the emergence of Dajjal there will be three years of drought. The first year, the skies will retain 1/3 of its water, the second year 2/3, and all of its water the third year.

DAJJAL APPEARS
Dajjal appears. His followers, the Yahudis, will number 70,000 and will wear expensive silk attire and carry double edged swords.

HADHRAT ISA (ALAYHIS-SALAAM.) (JESUS) APPEARS
Hadhrat Isa (ALAYHIS-SALAAM.)descends during the lifetime of Imam Mahdi.

DAJJAL KILLED AT THE GATE OF HUDD
Hadhrat Isa (ALAYHIS-SALAAM.) kills Dajjal at the Gate of Hudd, near an Israeli airport, in the valley of “Ifiq.?The final war between the Yahudi´s will ensue, and the Muslims be victorious.

TOTAL PEACE
With the death of Dajjal, all wars will end. Jihad will be stopped; peace, harmony, and tranquillity will be on earth. The earth will produce abundant crops and fruit. The people will follow Islam.

HADHRAT ISA RECEIVES REVELATION
The revelation tells that the Yajooj and Majooj will soon be released and the believers should be taken to Mt. Toor (Sinai).

YAJOOJ AND MAJOOJ (´Gog and Magog´) RELEASED
The Yajooj and Majooj surge forth in large numbers. They destroy everything in their path in their effort to conquer the world. They will be released in two groups.

YAJOOJ AND MAJOOJ REACH JERUSALEM
When they reach Mount Khamrin in Jerusalem, they will proclaim to have conquered the world. Then the will shoot arrows into the sky to conquer he heavens. The arrows will return blood stained.

HARDHSHIPS ON MOUNT TOOR
Scarcity of provisions and hardships will afflict the Muslims. Hadhrat Isa Alayhissalaam and the Muslims will pray for the removal of the calamity.


YAJOOJ AND MAJOOJ KILLED BY INFECTIONS
Their prayers were answered and the Yajooj and Majooj develop boil infections, causing them to burst simultaneously as a result.


EARTH FULL OF STENCH OF CORPSES
Hadhrat Isa (ALAYHIS-SALAAM.) and his companions pray again and huge birds are sent to pick up the Yajooj and Majooj corpses and dispose of them in Nahbal (according to Tirmidhi), the ocean or elsewhere.


PEACE ON EARTH
It will rain for forty days and the earth will be cleansed. Muslims will burn the bows and arrow of Yajooj and Majooj for 7 years. Life will be peaceful while Hadhrat Isa (ALAYHIS-SALAAM.) is alive. The earth will be bountiful.

Hadhrat Isa will live 19 years after marriage.

HADHRAT ISA PASSES AWAY AND BURIED NEXT TO MUHAMMED (SAL-LA-LLAHO ALAYHE WASALLAM.)
OTHER LEADERS FOLLOW AFTER HADHRAT ISA (ALAYHIS-SALAAM.)
Jahjaan from Qahtaan, from a tribe in Yemen, will rule as the next Khalifa. Muquad, from a tribe of Banu Tamim will also be a deputy.

SOCIETY SLOWLY DECAYS AND KUFR SETS IN
The Final Signs of Qiyaamah:

1 THE CAVING IN OF THE GROUND
The ground will cave in: one in the east, one in the west, and one in Hejaz, Saudi Arabia.

2 THE FORTY DAY SMOKE/FOG
Fog or smoke will cover the skies for forty days. The non-believers will fall unconscious, while Muslims will be ill (develop colds). The skies will then clear up.

3 THE NIGHT OF THREE NIGHTS
A night three nights long will follow the fog. It will occur in the month of Zil-Hajj after Eidul-Adha, and cause much restlessness among he people.

4 THE RISING OF THE SUN IN THE WESTAfter the night of three nights, the following morning the sun willrise in the west. People’s repentance will not be accepted after this incident.

5 THE BEAST FROM THE EARTH APPEARS
One day later, the Beast from the earth will miraculously emerge from mount
Safaa in Makkah, causing a split in the ground. The beast will be able to talk to people and mark the faces of people, making the believers faces glitter, and the non-believers faces darkened.

6 THE BREEZE FROM THE SOUTH
A breeze from the south causes sores in the armpits of Muslims, which hey will die of as a result.

7 DESTRUCTION OF THE KA’ABA
The Ka’aba will be destroyed by non-Muslim African group. Kufr will be rampant. Haj will be discontinued. The Qur’an will be lifted from the eart of the people, 30 years after the ruler Muquad’s death.

8 FINAL SIGN OF QIYAAMAH: FIRE IN YEMEN
The fire will follow people to Syria, ...

[Banglatiger84]

A lot of interesting signs but we should be careful to separate authentic ahadith from sensational quotes. It would be great if you could post the links and references otherwise people will get confused