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May 27, 2008, 01:04 AM
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Bangladeshis "Tense & Aggressive"
When the US cracked down after 9/11 these same clowns were whining about facing discrimination, but its ok to discriminate when the victims are Bangladeshis and not Arabs....
You can imagine the situation when you see that the "Islamist Bloc" calling for deporting 100,000 Bangladeshis fr one murder, and the "liberal , godless bloc" calling for not stereotyping people in this way.
http://www.gulfnews.com/news/gulf/bahrain/10216119.html
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| Manama: Decisions on hiring of Bangladeshi workers would have to be made by various official bodies, said a labour official as pressure mounted on the Bahraini government to halt the hiring of Bangladeshis.
Several Bahrainis, including journalists and a parliamentary bloc, have called upon the authorities not to allow Bangladeshis to work in the kingdom following the murder of a 38-year-old Bahraini at a garage on Friday.
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Al Asala, the second largest parliamentary bloc, called for a timetable to deport Bangladeshis, saying that they represented a threat to social peace and stability.
"We will soon submit a motion to the parliament to force the government to end the hiring of Bangladeshis because of their aggressive and tense character," the Islamist bloc said.
Several columnists called for the "immediate and irrevocable" deportation of Bangladeshis, warning that failure to take action would mean more hostile behaviour.
"We don't want to live with people of such criminal nature. We have been receiving many complaints and requests from Bahrainis to get rid of Bangladeshis from their neighbourhood.
"They were worried for their lives and families.
"Now after the murder of the Bahraini, our people who live in areas that are mostly populated by Bangladeshis are afraid even to step out of their homes.
"Why should we live our lives like mice in our own country because of foreigners?
"Bangladeshis seem to have a culture different even from other Asian expatriates, which we find hard to adjust to. They are involved in murders, robberies, drugs and prostitution, which is a threat to social security in Bahrain."
Grizzly murder sparks calls to expel Bangladeshis
DEPORTATION CALLS: An MP has called for Bahrain's entire Bangladeshi community to be expelled following the murder of a national by a Bangladeshi mechanic. ()
A member of Bahrains parliament has demanded the deportation of more than 100,000 Bangladeshi labourers from the Gulf state after one expat from the Asian country was charged with the gruesome murder of a national.
One thing I will admit is that Bangladeshi workers in general are less receptive to abuse than South Indians, call a South Indian coolie "m*********" he will say "ok, Sir", but call a Bangladeshi cleaner the same, he will fight back, many Arabs dont like Bangladeshis for that reason, they like submissive people who you can abuse, slap and beat at will......
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May 27, 2008, 08:42 AM
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This isn't the end of the story. Such things happen in our own land too...and we always fail to point our fingers at others. Yes, the west does it to the east, and the Mid-East does it to the further easterners as well. But when it comes to ourselves, we do it to our upojatis, and others that we can throw in the dirt at our own will.
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May 27, 2008, 11:52 AM
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First of all, offcourse, we all condemn such behaviour by anyone, let alone a Bangladeshi. Stereotyping is dangerous game we all play and unfortunately one man can spoil it for all of us.
But there is more to that story.
You see, we are experiencing a record flow of foreign remittance into the country.
By this year end, that flow is projected at around USD 8 Billion Dollar.
Now thats a lot of money for a poor country like Bangladesh. Our CG is putting a lot of emphasis on this forgotten section and really trying thier best to create a positive and more efficient workforce for the future.
IF we can transform our unskilled overseas workforce, which currently stands at a staggering 49% of total number of labours overseas, we can increse that remittence to an even more amazing figures of USD 12 Billion in a year!
Even at the present situation, we are only 2nd in terms of per capital inflow of remittance. Bangladeshis per head, send around USD 1226 back home, compared to USD 876 ( or something very close to that) by Indian workers, around USD 850 by Pakistanis. Only Sri Lankans beat us on per capita by 4 dollars. They send back home USD 1230 per person on average, even though their total figure is only
USD 1.5 Billion.
Now, when that much money into stake, it sends some people a nervous message.
More importantly, other nations ( you-know-who) take a note of it. "They" have always tried to create panic/problem with any of our rising/established industries eg RMG, ICT, Jute ( which is almost destroyed now) and at present, our labour force.
Some of "them" have hands-on experience about the positive impact the inflow of foreign remittance can have on both macro and micro level of economy.
So, what you do?
You try to create as much bad publicity as you can to damage their growth.
This is not a they-are-always-out-there-to-get-us mentality.
I believe this is the true facts.
Few months back, Malaysia temporarily stopped taking labours from Bangladesh, so did South Korea and Saudi Arabia ( to the best of my knowledge). But they all revoked their decisions later on.
The prospect of Bangladeshis slowly getting on thier feet is a frightening idea for a lot.
But they cant stop our march towards development.
This is just the beginning.
The following link is a news article from Financial Express about our remittance.
http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.co...&news_id=30685
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May 27, 2008, 12:52 PM
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One thing I will admit is that Bangladeshi workers in general are less receptive to abuse than South Indians, call a South Indian coolie "m*********" he will say "ok, Sir", but call a Bangladeshi cleaner the same, he will fight back, many Arabs dont like Bangladeshis for that reason, they like submissive people who you can abuse, slap and beat at will......
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i would have thought bangladeshis are quite docile and passive...heh?
seriously, arabs have a lot of problems. unfortunately, their enemies hate us too since we happen to have the same religion.
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May 27, 2008, 01:25 PM
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Yes indeed, Bangladeshis are quite passive, but that could be interpreted more as a trait for being from the poorest country. Fortunately, this has nothing to do with us not wanting to be mis-treated ! And that is why the only province in the entire sub-continent to actually be a sovereign nation is Bangladesh.
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May 27, 2008, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabz
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That was a good post Rabz. Didn't know that we're 2nd in the list for sending money back to BD. Nice!
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May 27, 2008, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Pundit
Yes indeed, Bangladeshis are quite passive, but that could be interpreted more as a trait for being from the poorest country. Fortunately, this has nothing to do with us not wanting to be mis-treated ! And that is why the only province in the entire sub-continent to actually be a sovereign nation is Bangladesh.
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but take away india assistance and we would be just like baluchistan, kashmir, and the NWFP - disenchanted but powerless to secede.
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আমাদের সমস্যা কী জানেন? আমাদের সমস্যা হল আমাদের, মানে বাংলাদেশীদের ব্যবহার ভালো করা উচিত। বাংলাদেশ যখন বিদেশি অতিথি আসেন তখন আমরা ভাল ব্যবহার করি ঠিকই, কিন্তু আমরা যখন বিদেশে যাই, তখন এর ঊল্টোটা করি। কাতারে আমি দেখলাম, কোন বাংলাদেশীকে জিজ্জেস করেন, ভাই অমুক দোকানের রাস্তাটা কোন দিকে? জানা থাকলেও বলবে জানি না। আর আপনি আমেরিকানদের দেখেন? দেখবেন একটা অপরিচিত মানুষকেও তারা কত আন্তরিকতার সাথে সাহায্য করে। বেচারাদের ঈমান নাই, কিন্তু এই ব্যবহার জিনিসটা আমরা তাদের কাছ থেকে শিখতে পারি।
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One thing I will admit is that Bangladeshi workers in general are less receptive to abuse than South Indians, call a South Indian coolie "m*********" he will say "ok, Sir", but call a Bangladeshi cleaner the same, he will fight back, many Arabs dont like Bangladeshis for that reason, they like submissive people who you can abuse, slap and beat at will......
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This is very true. আমি বলতে চাছি না যে আপনি অত্যাচারের মুখেও চুপ করে থাকবেন। বাস্তব কথা হল আরব, যেহেতু বেশিরভাগই পয়সাওয়ালা, তাদের কে একটু হুজুর হুজুর করলে তারা পছন্দ করে। আমি কোন আওস্থাতেই বলতে চাছি না যে আপনি রীতিমত তোষামুদে হয়ে যান। আপনি যদি ধরেন কোন অদক্ষ শ্রমিক হিসেবে আসেন বা কোন ঘরের দ্রাইভার হিসেভে আসেন, আপনাকে ত এমনভাবে চলা উচিত, যেমনভাবে আপনার মনিব চায়। নাকি আপনি প্রথম এসেই ঘার তেরামি করবেন? আমাদের অনেক বাংলাদেশিরা করে।
আমি বলতে চাই না যে আরব্রা ধোয়া তুলসী পাতা। কিন্তু আমাদের অর্থনৈতিক অবস্থার কারণে আমাদের আসতে হয়। ভারতীয়রা কী আরবদের অনেক শ্রদ্ধা করে? কখনো না। কিন্তু আপনি দেখেন, তারা আমাদের চেয়ে অনেক অনেক strategically and economically চিন্তা করে। তাদের লাভও হয় তেমন। পুরা মিডল ইস্টে বড় থেকে একদম নিম্নস্ত্অরে আপনি সবচেয়ে বেশি পাবেন ভারতীয়। কারণ তারা বুদ্ধিমান।
এই যে দেখেন, বাহরাইন, আমাদের বিরুদ্ধে এ ধরণের কথা বলছে। আমাদের খারাপ লাগছে। আমরা কী চিন্তা করছি আমাদের নামে কথা উঠবে কেন? আমরা কী প্রতিজ্ঞা করছি যে বিদেশে যেন আমাদের বদনাম না হয়? ঊল্টা আরবদের দোষ দিচ্ছি। আপনি একটা অশিক্ষিত ভারিতীয়দের সাথে কথা বলে দেখেন, তারা সবার প্রথম দেশের image নিয়ে চিন্তা করে। আমরা কী করি? কখনো করি না। যদি করতাম, তাহলে আমরা দুর্নিতীতে ৭-৮ বার চাম্পিয়ন হতাম না। যদি করতাম, তাহলে এমন সব রাজনীতিবিদ দেখতাম না, যারা দেশকে বেঁছে নিজের পকেট ভারী করার দায়ে শ্রীঘরে দিন কাটায়।
আর ধরুণ আমরা বাহরাইনীদের সাথে পালটা ধরলাম। বাহরাইন আর আনাদের লোক নেয় না। খাস্তা কাদের হবে? বাহ্রাইনীদের? আজকাল তো নেপালী, ইন্ডিয়ান, শ্রীলঙ্কান মানব সম্পদের কোন অভাব নাই। মধ্য থেকে লোকসান হবে আমাদের।
আরবরা মাথা মোটা, একটু বেশি রকমই মোটা। এমন গাধা আবার নয় যে, একটা মাত্র কেস পেয়ে সব বাংলাদেশীদের দুষবে। কাতারে আমার অভিজ্ঞতা থেকেই বলি। কাতারের Ras Abu Fantas এ চাকুরী করে অনেক বাংলাদেশী এখন কোটীপতি। যারা এখানে কাজ করেছেন, উনাদের সবাই কাতার এসেছেন ১৯৭০ এর দশকে। প্রায় সবাই চাকুরী করতেন ঘোড়াশাল সার কারখানায়। আমাদের রেপুটেশন্টাও ভালো ছিল। তারপর ২০০০ এর দশকে বয়সের কারণে এবং Qatarisation এর কারণে তারা পুরনো লোক ছাটাই শুরু করে। প্রথমে তারা legally কাজটা করত। মানে আপনাকে এক মাস আগে নোটিশ ইত্যাদি ইত্যাদি। নোটিশ দেয়ার ফলে কী হল, বাংলাদেশিরা যাবার আগে, ধরূণ কোন একটা দামি যন্ত্র যেমন একবার ২ লাখ রিয়ালে একটা টার্বাইন ইছাকৃতভাবে নষ্ট করে ফেলল। এরকম আরো তিন চারটা ছোটখাট কেস হয়। একন তারা চাকুরী থেকে ছাটাই করে কীভাবে জানেন? হঠাৎ একদিন সকাল গিয়ে দেখবেন আপনাকে আর ঢুকতে দিচ্ছে না। Human Rights এ আবেদন করেও কোন ফল হয় না? আর হবে কেন? এত বছর চাকুরী করেও কয়েকজন বাংলাদেশি যে অকৃতজ্ঞতার পরিচয় দিয়েছেন সেটাই কী যথেষ্ঠ নয়?
এবার আমার এক বন্ধুর কথা বলি। আমাদের তখন SSC পরীক্ষা। তার বাবা একজন সম্মানিত আর্কিটেক্ট। এক ভালো ফার্মে চাকুরী করেন। হথাৎ ফার্মে চরম অর্থনৈতিক দৈন্য দশা নেমে আসে। কাতারে আবার economic mobility and independence কম, মানে আপনি থাকা থেকে শুরু করে যেকোন ব্যবসা বাণিজ্য বা অর্থনৈতিক কাজকর্ম করার জন্য আপনার কাতারি sponsor থাকতে হবে। যেহেতু আমরা কাতারে এম্বেসী থেকে বোর্ড পরীক্ষা দেই, তাই রেজিস্ত্রেশন প্রক্রিয়া ছিল বেশ ঝামেলার। আর registration tranfer এর কথা নাই বা বললাম। তো সেই বন্ধুর বাবার sponsor তার কম্পানি থেকে সব লোক বাদ দিয়ে দিলেও, তাকে বাদ দেয় নি। অভিজ্ঞতা, আবার তাঁর ছেলের পরীক্ষা। তবে শর্ত ছিল যে, তিনি অর্থনৈতিক কাজ, যেমন ঠিকাদারি করতে পারবেন না, তার বেতন বাসা সব কিছু আগের মত বহাল থাকবে। sponsor এর কাছ থেকে এত বড় আশ্বাস পাওয়ার পরও তিনি গোপনে ঠিকাদারি করলেন এবং ধরা খেলেন। sponsor আর কোন কথা শুনলেম নে, এক সপ্তাহে বাংলাদেশ পাঠিয়ে দিলেন। পরীক্ষার আপত্তিও টিকল না।
ত যা বলতে চাচ্ছিলাম, খারাপ রেপুটেশান একদিন বা একটা কেসের মাধ্যমে গড়ে ওঠে না। ব্যক্তি জীবনে এক দিনে বা একটি মাত্র ঘটনার ভিত্তিতে আপনার সুমান ডুবে যেতে পারে, তবে, সামাজিক ও জাতীয় জীবনে এই প্রক্রিয়া দীর্ঘতর।
আগে যখন স্কুলে পড়তাম, তখন বাংলাদেশের ইমেজ নিয়ে প্রশ্ন উঠলে অনেক খারা লাগতো। লেখালেখিও করলাম কয়াকবার। আজকাল আর তেমন ভাবান্তর হয় না। আমরা যদি নিজেদের ভালো নিজেরা না চাই, আমারা যদি strategically চিন্তা না করি, আমরা যদি এমন কাজ করার প্রতিজ্ঞা না করি যেখানে আমাদের দেশের মান সম্মান জড়িত, দোষ কাকে দেব? বিচারের প্রথম শর্ত কী জানেন? নিজের উপর বিচার করা। নিজের উপর যখন বিচার করি, তখন মনে হয় এই সব নিয়ে মাথা না ঘামানোই ভাল।
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May 27, 2008, 11:45 PM
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BD- Shardil, thanks for a very interestung post which gave a lot of background to Bangladeshis in Qatar.........
Yes, Gulf people like docile people who take abuse easily, ask yourself why in spite of calls for Arab Unity, why so few families employ housemaids from other Arab countries, it is because it was relatively easier to beat, rape or scald with iron a housemaid from Sri Lanka or Indonesia,
Similarly I consider many South Indians here to be honorless, because time and again I have seen them keep quiet even when their parents are abused, thats why others continue calling them names because they know they wont respond, at what point does money become more important than honor ?
Its all good to be "strategic and economical", but even parents killing their female foetuses will say they are making a "strategic and economicanl" decision.......
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May 28, 2008, 12:27 AM
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BD- Shardil, thanks for a very interestung post which gave a lot of background to Bangladeshis in Qatar.........
Yes, Gulf people like docile people who take abuse easily, ask yourself why in spite of calls for Arab Unity, why so few families employ housemaids from other Arab countries, it is because it was relatively easier to beat, rape or scald with iron a housemaid from Sri Lanka or Indonesia,
Similarly I consider many South Indians here to be honorless, because time and again I have seen them keep quiet even when their parents are abused, thats why others continue calling them names because they know they wont respond, at what point does money become more important than honor ?
Its all good to be "strategic and economical", but even parents killing their female foetuses will say they are making a "strategic and economicanl" decision.......
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In Qatar there are no, not a single Bangladeshi maids. Bangladeshi females are not allowed to come as felame servant.
As for abusing people, I would say more or less you will find it everywhere. "Griho poricharikake khun, dhorshon, gorom pani dhele deya" we see this kind of news everyday in our newspapers. Same happens here in Middle east and very often. Maid servents, who are primarily from Indonesia, Phillipines, India and Sri Lanka are abused evereday severely in numerous ways. Check, Qatari women arrested recently for stabbing her maid to death.
Incidents of abusing on male workers physically are rare. They are opressed economicaly. Well, it is a common thing for any capitalist society.
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i tell you a harsh truth, i apologize... i always criticize bengali customs even though i take pride in my cricket team and my culture i was born into just to make some "cyber-friends" or "fit in" (there are many things i don't like personally about our culture, some even against islam itself!)
but honestly speaking, here is the truth about many bengalis... if there was ever a survey about the world's NICEST culture/people, i would say it is the bengalis... WE ARE ALWAYS NICE... that may be a stereotype, but on the "outside" we are a great people with great friend making abilities... on the inside... uh, let's not get there! although allah says in quran
"God knows what you reveal and what you conceal"
"Allah doesn't change what is among you until you change what is within yourselves"
purification of the heart...
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If Bahrain was a neighbor of Bangladesh, I would have invaded the country and had occupied it for a period of about 2 weeks - just to set things straight a bit....
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June 7, 2008, 08:22 AM
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If Bahrain was a neighbor of Bangladesh, I would have invaded the country and had occupied it for a period of about 2 weeks - just to set things straight a bit....
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sorry bro, by doing that you will be doing nothing but justifying thier claim and the title of this thread 
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Sure, if you consider fighting tanks with forks and knives aggressive. Thank God they had curfews back then.
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but honestly speaking, here is the truth about many bengalis... if there was ever a survey about the world's NICEST culture/people, i would say it is the bengalis... WE ARE ALWAYS NICE... that may be a stereotype, but on the "outside" we are a great people with great friend making abilities... on the inside... uh, let's not get there! a..
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quite often the experience abroad makes one feel your sentiments rather more. the element of nicety isn't just confined to bengalis, muslims or bangladeshis. i have personally noticed how a brown skinned person is often seen as a friend rather than someone paler or even darker. there had been situations where others of my skin colour, even from differing religions and ethnic origin had felt a sense of kinship.
the only exception to the above, where i have noticed open embracing of human beings from all ethnic origins and skin colour had been at 'socialist' or marxist gatherings, where geographical boundaries need not matter.
i have known bangladeshis who were simply abhorrent as well as ones who are often referred to as 'matir manush'. so i don't generalise any more. perhaps there is good and bad in all of us and in all nations.
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হচ্ছে টা কি?
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কাতার বাংলাদেশিদের দেশ থেকে বের করে দিতে চাচ্ছে।
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