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Old June 22, 2008, 12:13 PM
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JS doing OKAY with the batsmen but he's doing worse with the bowlers.

He should bring in Rasel as soon as possible to the ODI squad and send play Rajib only in the Test cricket.

Before when Rasel and Mash opened the bowling, we didn't allow the elite teams to score over 250 consistently against us.

But since JS came in, Rasel became his enemy. He doesn't have pace so he doesnt have a place in the team.

Selectors says Rasel is injured but my question is how is he going to play for the A-team if he's still injured?? Why did they select him for the A-team which is to begin in few days? If he can't play for the Asia cup then how's he supposed to play for the A-team which begins earlier than the Asia cup? Aren't they just making fun of themselves??

Siddons don't want Rasel, Selectors do what Siddons says, Rasel lost his place, Rafique lost his place and retired.

Just scoring over 200 is nothing if you let the opponents score over 300 everytime they bat against us.

We need to have a strong bowling line up if we score 240 and want to depend that total.

Mash, Rasel, Razzak, And Shakib should be our 4 main bowlers in all the matches. Others should be allrounders whoever get the chance.
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Old June 22, 2008, 12:19 PM
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during whatmore era, our biggest individual ODI innings against top 8 sides were:

ash 100 against AUS
ash 94 against ENG
ash 87 against SA
Rajin 82 against IND
Rajin 71 against PAK
SN 75 against AUS
pilot 71 vs AUS
JO 81 vs AUS (or ENG)

in other words we had 6 innings of 70+ runs in aprox 50 games during whatmore era, with half of the innings being eid al ashrafs. the pilot and JO innings were far to slow to warrant any match winning potential, whereas even rajin's 71 was rapid enough to have possibly won a match. thats too much dependence on one player, and that can't be good.

in siddons era, we have 13 matches against top 8 sides:

ash 70 vs NZ
tamim 82 vs SA
sakib 75 vs PAK
sakib 108 vs PAK
Raqib 89 vs IND

we already have 5 70+ inninngs in just 13 matches...JS seems to be working the individual, and thats the only way we can have a decent team. plus ash has only one of those 5 significant innings.
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raqibul 70+ against south africa
ash 56 vs pakistan (alltough it was a very slow inings) but a 50 is a 50
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Old June 22, 2008, 01:01 PM
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I have read and written many times on JS. Every time he makes a new statement it only confirms my point of view. Question is not how many months/years, question is; is his approach right? If his approach is right, I’m ready to give him any amount of time.

1. What do you achieve by making the players believe that, they are not capable of competing against the top teams? Isn’t it damaging their confidence and desire to win? Is he not using it as a reason for not performing?

2. Our bowlers are not tall. Though this isn’t all true and in sub-continental standard this issue is there in all countries. What do you achieve by telling it? How can you change the height of the Bangladeshi people? Genetic Engineering? Isn’t he using it as a reason not performing?

3. Our domestic infrastructure is not good. If he has some advice, that should be told to BCB in close doors. Isn’t he publicly using it as a reason for not performing?

4. About 200+ scores, if we analyze each match, we will see that the 200+ scores were never made under pressure of winning or losing. The matches were lost much before. What’s the value of these 200 scores? Isn’t he trying to highlight his achievement unjustly?

5. Individual high scores made before by BD batsmen mostly lead to victory. The scores made by our batters during his time were mostly under no pressure for losing causes. Doesn’t he understand that? Then why he is using it to highlight his achievement?

6. The way he is throwing away our previous victories against test teams, while he is not having a single one, on the other hand highlighting insignificant (To the outcome of match)individual and 200+ team scores on the other hand, is bound to raise questions on his honesty of purpose.

7. He never gives a definite time frame for improvement, may be 6 months +/- would be acceptable. His time line is very tentative and ranges even up to 4/5 years. If he has taken up a contract of two years, he should have had some objective to be achieved in two years, but we have never heard anything like that.
Every BD fan wants our team to do better, win some matches. Be it under JS or any one, we care less. But his words and actions so far, definitely has not given any hope or sign of improvement. Rather lots of his policies and actions were proven to be highly damaging.

How can one say that he is doing it right? Gambling blindly might be rewarding at times, but it can be fatal as well. If giving more time means more damage, why should we give him more time? Just because, it might look bad to remove a coach in 8 months time? I don’t agree to such ‘Pache loke ki bole’ type decisions at the cost of the future of our cricket.

I am yet to see a day, when JS is positive of our cricket. There are many problems but definitely we have a lot of strengths too. A good coach will work on the weaknesses and capitalize on strength. As WM has done. JS is only publicizing our weaknesses and we are losing a lot of positives like bowling, fielding, desire to win, Aggressive attitude etc.

I am yet to see a ray of hope under JS? His interview reminds me of both Khaleda’s ‘Unnoyoner Joar’ type boktreta and hasina’s ‘Gorib Marar budget’. His comments sound like routine and cheap way of criticizing everything of BD cricket’s past/present and highlighting nothings of his own as great achievements.

Unfortunately, today we are even doubtful about winning against UAE.
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Old June 22, 2008, 01:15 PM
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Al, . why 70? why not 100 or 50?

Let's take how many 50's our top 3 batsmen scored against top 8 teams during Whatmore era ---

Aftab
51 against England
67 against India
59 against West Indies

Ash
66 against Sri Lanka
100 against Australia
94 against England
58 against Australia
51 against Sri Lanka
61 against Sri Lanka
87 against South Africa

Sakib
67 against Sri Lanka
53 against India
50 against India
57 against England

Just three players and we have 14 50+ innings against top teams, if we include all batsmen it would be about 30 to 40 50+ innings.
miraz bhai JS only took over the job in november last year (which is only 7 months) and we allready have 7 fifty+ innings against top 8 teams in just 13 match.

its true, our batsman had 30 to 40 50+ innigs during watmore era but dont forget watmore were in charge with the team for a long 4 years.
most of thoes 50+ innings were EID al ashraf as al furqan bhai allready mentioned.
batsman used to think the job is done when they scored a fifty n soon after they used to trhow/gift their wicket away but now we see batsman are eager to stay at the wicket for long time.
the biggest example of that is, sakibul century against pakistan, raqibul 89 agains india in kitply cup (he couldve turn that into a hundred) and tamims 80+ innings against south africa.
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Old June 22, 2008, 01:18 PM
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New Coach
New Selectors
New Players (some)

= lack of belief in players
= lack in trust in fans
= lack of consistancy among selectors
= lack of direction from coach

I think Rafiq highlighted this on day 1: they liked Siddons because of his feedback.

Fans may know the truth already, but Siddons will do the talk to identify how to overcome issues.

Whatmore came in after the Mashud debacle - so initial expectations were very low.
Siddons came in after the WC, so its a little different.
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Old June 22, 2008, 01:28 PM
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BANFAN, that's a top post.

Couldn't agree more.
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miraz bhai JS only took over the job in november last year (which is only 7 months) and we allready have 7 fifty+ innings against top 8 teams in just 13 match.
Where, most of the matches were lost much before the matches were over. Specially 5 in pak and 2 in tri series. I won't count it at all. Had they been trying to win, many of these couldn't have been 50s. 50 at the cost of losing is never appreciated anywhere is the world. Even in Aus. Why should it be in BD?
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Old June 22, 2008, 01:35 PM
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I am happy the way JS is working.
We used to play 'jodi laigga jai' type cricket. Now, JS is trying us to play the cricket the way it should be. With all due respect Whatmore couldn't change the mode of jodi laigga jai. Thats why we were very inconsistent. Almost everyone got to reach the conclusion that Ash is not coachable. Whatmore sometimes even stopped talking to him. But JS has proved that that he can really teach cricket (yes even to Ash).
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Old June 22, 2008, 01:51 PM
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Where, most of the matches were lost much before the matches were over. Specially 5 in pak and 2 in tri series. I won't count it at all. Had they been trying to win, many of these couldn't have been 50s. 50 at the cost of losing is never appreciated anywhere is the world. Even in Aus. Why should it be in BD?
i thought we were highlighting individual performance not team performance?
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Old June 22, 2008, 02:01 PM
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Bhaijan ra, ekta golpo boli.

Let's say you are an assistant manager for the best firm in the industry, with a really really low chance of becoming the manager. You make ok money, you have to work hard, you get hardly any vacation.

Then the worst firm in the industry comes to you with an offer to become their manager. They offer you 3 times the salary you were making in your job, they offer you vacation time (2 months after every month of work), and since they offer you the manager position, you have absolute power.

What will you do? Stay as the assistant manager or choose the manager position? Many people will choose the second option, to become a manager.


Now that you have become manager and you are taking your long vacations and saving all that extra cash the new firm is paying you, you also realize that you are the face of the firm. People are blaming you for their status; they are at the bottom of the pile. You know you don't have the necessary business acumen to turn them around. Now I ask you: what do you do in this situation?

If you had the business acumen, you would turn things around, but you don't.
If you can't turn things around, then what is the easiest way to get out of this GERAKOL? You do what BD politicians do. You blame the last administration. You make up statistics and say how bad it was under the previous management. You say you are dealt a bad hand. You lower ALL expectations about the firm's performance. Initially, the stock price will take a hit. It will go lower and lower and lower until it can't get any lower. You blame the previous management for this low stock price.

Then you show your "magic". You say you have targets, you have goals. You tell everyone you have no magic wand to turn things around in one day, and you need more time to reach your goals and targets. Despite your horrible management skills, the firm will slowly but surely get back to 80% of its production level under the previous management. The stock price will climb too to 80% of where it used to be. By this time, your contract is over, and you tell everyone how this HUGE climb is because of you and your goal-setting and your amazing management skills. This when the reality is that you made the firm go to their absolute lowest and all you did was let it pull itself back up to 80% under previous management. The smart people will know that you are a bad manager. The not-so-smart people will be fooled. Then one of these not-so-smart people who is looking for a manager in his not-so-good firm (better than your current firm, but not the best) will hire you as a manager.


This is what happens in the business world. This is what happens in politics. In my opinion, this is what is happening with Siddons bhaiya. Onar jokhon contract shesh hoye jabe, tokhon amar ei post ta abar poiren. Tarpore dekhben bhul bolsi na thik bolsi.
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Old June 22, 2008, 02:54 PM
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I consider the golden period under Whatmore is the 2004 home series against India to the 2007 home series against the same opponent. In this period, we had played 29 ODIs against elite 8 teams. We did not have to cross 200 in our last win against India as we had chased 192. In other 28 matches, 14 times we had crossed 200, exactly the 50% of matches. More importantly, we had won 5 of those 29 matches.

http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/...m;view=innings

Under Siddons, so far we have played 13 ODIs against elite 8, and scored 200+ in 5 matches (had not won any of those matches), that's 38.46%. It's not 50% even if you include the Ireland series.

http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/...m;view=innings

Siddons obviously had not checked facts before making that '50%' claim, and needless to say he is making himself looking ridiculous.
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I consider the golden period under Whatmore is the 2004 home series against India to the 2007 home series against the same opponent. In this period, we had played 29 ODIs against elite 8 teams. We did not have to cross 200 in our last win against India as we had chased 192. In other 28 matches, 14 times we had crossed 200, exactly the 50% of matches. More importantly, we had won 5 of those 29 matches.

http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/...m;view=innings

Under Siddons, so far we have played 13 ODIs against elite 8, and scored 200+ in 5 matches (had not won any of those matches), that's 38.46%. It's not 50% even if you include the Ireland series.

http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/...m;view=innings

Siddons obviously had not checked facts before making that '50%' claim, and needless to say he is making himself looking ridiculous.
it would have been 6 200+ innings since JS took over (we had 180 in 45 overs or so against NZ before rain interuppted). and should we cross 200 against SL, that makes 7/14 which is exactly 50%.

if you include ireland series, we have 8 200+ scores out of 16 matches which is again 50%.

lets wait 6 months with JS current strategy and see where it takes us. the retirement of rafiq, the absence of rasel, and the out of form razzak has killed our bowling thereby magnifying the gap between us and the great 8 teams. lets see what happens in 6 months. if by the new year we are were are now, i am all for kicking JS out on the first thing smoking to sydney.
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it would have been 6 200+ innings since JS took over (we had 180 in 45 overs or so against NZ before rain interuppted). and should we cross 200 against SL, that makes 7/14 which is exactly 50%.
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al, had we scored 150 more runs in each of the matches, we would have won all the matches. That makes 13 win out of 13 matches and that's 100% success rate. WTG Siddons.

On a more serious note, have we created any winning chances on those matches?

The answer is a BIG NO and that you can't ignore.
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What JS means is that our past stats were all fluke. Now, is the real deal. Under other coaches none of our batsman knew how to bat properly. They just got lucky hitting the ball blindly. TI was completely blind hitter before. Now, a class player so far.
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Old June 22, 2008, 04:37 PM
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Siddons was not shy to point out all the weaknesses of Bangladesh cricket in his interview, but the worrying factor is that there is no mention of how indisciplined our bowlers have become since he took over. Has he even noticed the problem ???

Batting is never our forte, it's our bowlers who kept us competitive in ODI cricket all those years. If they stay as indisciplined as they are now, it won't matter whether we are scoring 200+ or 250+.
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A lot of people are complaining about why he is giving too many excuses. think about it and ull see that its us who wait for him to get interviewed, and us who want answers and reasons. So there u hav the reason for his excuses!

About his ways, although I have a lot of doubts in his ways many a times, his gradual improvement thing is quite a good idea and its not about "random wins" as with DW.
If we consistently score higher and higher, and our averages go higher and higher, and our players learn to play good innings, we will hopefully get where we want to sooner rather than later. "Random wins" will do us no good.

Some people are talking about how he should be teaching lower age groups, but hey... in that case we would have to deal with more "random wins" for a longer period of time... and taht would only mean waiting for eidul ashraf. basically it would be a waste of the talents of Ash and company (who still have their whole lives ahead of them)... and we would be relying on the next generation of players.

Basically if he can translate these into wins within the near future, he is a really successful coach .... if not... we are gonna be in big trouble.... its a gamble really

Our bowling needs to take an about turn and go back to how it was before. ... atleast for odis.... only then we can think about wins.

PS. 250 was always a cap limit for us, and anything above 250 and our team would take it as a "lost match"... thats how it always was...
so with a regular score of around 240... (which will be pulled higher up eventually... hopefully...) we are bound to get some wins our way (assuming the bowling can go back to how it was).... i hope it comes around soon...

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Everyone is pulling statistics from their arses. (including siddons)
While the stats itself are accurate, they are as good as nothing. Stats are only relevant when the error margin is low, and error margin can be low only when the stats are taking from a vast pool of numbers.

You can't average from 10 games and say, "look soddons is crap" compare to 50+ games under whatmore over the course of 4 years. That doesn't make any sense, whatsoever. Because the players are not the same, the conditions are not the same. Resulting in a huge error margin, with garbage stats and numbers.

The only way to compare siddons performance with Whatmore performance, would be to take the first 7 months of games under siddons and whatmore minus the games against non-test playing nation. And than compare it to make any sense.

Not that it would make any sense, because the game numbers are too low; but you guys are too stubborn to understand that.

Whatmore won 5 games against test playing nations over the course of 4 fracking years (I hope you are not counting wins over zimbabwe). That's his only shinning moment of his career with bangladesh. So remember that before start critisizing siddons on the teams performace in the last 7 months.

I have always said whatmore was a failure with bangladesh (I know you guys will disagree), but when srilanka will not renew it's contract with the same coach who made them world champions. Or when no one else wants to take whatmore as a coach when he left bangladesh, and there were four spots open in the international team coaching market. Because everyone sees the failure of whatmore with bangladesh team, except for us. I dont want siddons to follow whatmores footstep, thats why I am glad that he is taking differant approach in coaching the team.

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Old June 22, 2008, 06:17 PM
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Al, . why 70? why not 100 or 50?

Let's take how many 50's our top 3 batsmen scored against top 8 teams during Whatmore era ---

Aftab
51 against England
67 against India
59 against West Indies

Ash
66 against Sri Lanka
100 against Australia
94 against England
58 against Australia
51 against Sri Lanka
61 against Sri Lanka
87 against South Africa

Sakib
67 against Sri Lanka
53 against India
50 against India
57 against England

Just three players and we have 14 50+ innings against top teams, if we include all batsmen it would be about 30 to 40 50+ innings.
...proving that 50s are a dime a dozen even to bangladeshi batsmen. are we that impressed when one of our batsmen hits a 50 against a top 8 side? not at all. and 100s are too rare. hence we go somewhere in between. 70, 75 its an arbitrary pick, and i even mentioned its arbitrariness. if i chose 50, some one would just come along and ask why i didn't pick 53 or something...

the problem with many of your 50s is that, they were merely 50ish scores which are again a dime a dozen. its not that glamorous either in the context of cricket or of bangladesh cricket. bigger scores are. and our batsmen have a notorious inability to push 70 runs and beyond. hence that arbitrary cutoff.

all i am saying is that we've hired siddons, and that might turn out to be the worst personnel move in our history. but lets give him some time to sort things through, he is after all inheriting the worst team to play Test cricket ever. and his charges aren't the smartest bunch around. if after another 6 months, we see ashraful averaging 23 and 25 and no improvement in the bowling front, we can conclude that siddons has psychologically wrecked the team and needs to be eliminated. the situation can't get any worse than it is already, so lets see if the current method works before axing JS.
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Bhaijan ra, ekta golpo boli.

Let's say you are an assistant manager for the best firm in the industry, with a really really low chance of becoming the manager. You make ok money, you have to work hard, you get hardly any vacation.

Then the worst firm in the industry comes to you with an offer to become their manager. They offer you 3 times the salary you were making in your job, they offer you vacation time (2 months after every month of work), and since they offer you the manager position, you have absolute power.

What will you do? Stay as the assistant manager or choose the manager position? Many people will choose the second option, to become a manager.


Now that you have become manager and you are taking your long vacations and saving all that extra cash the new firm is paying you, you also realize that you are the face of the firm. People are blaming you for their status; they are at the bottom of the pile. You know you don't have the necessary business acumen to turn them around. Now I ask you: what do you do in this situation?

If you had the business acumen, you would turn things around, but you don't.
If you can't turn things around, then what is the easiest way to get out of this GERAKOL? You do what BD politicians do. You blame the last administration. You make up statistics and say how bad it was under the previous management. You say you are dealt a bad hand. You lower ALL expectations about the firm's performance. Initially, the stock price will take a hit. It will go lower and lower and lower until it can't get any lower. You blame the previous management for this low stock price.

Then you show your "magic". You say you have targets, you have goals. You tell everyone you have no magic wand to turn things around in one day, and you need more time to reach your goals and targets. Despite your horrible management skills, the firm will slowly but surely get back to 80% of its production level under the previous management. The stock price will climb too to 80% of where it used to be. By this time, your contract is over, and you tell everyone how this HUGE climb is because of you and your goal-setting and your amazing management skills. This when the reality is that you made the firm go to their absolute lowest and all you did was let it pull itself back up to 80% under previous management. The smart people will know that you are a bad manager. The not-so-smart people will be fooled. Then one of these not-so-smart people who is looking for a manager in his not-so-good firm (better than your current firm, but not the best) will hire you as a manager.


This is what happens in the business world. This is what happens in politics. In my opinion, this is what is happening with Siddons bhaiya. Onar jokhon contract shesh hoye jabe, tokhon amar ei post ta abar poiren. Tarpore dekhben bhul bolsi na thik bolsi.
I mentioned it in my previous post and you have described it perfectly with the appropriate example. These guys know how to fool us. And I have no doubt that we are heading towards the low.

I am not a big fan of DW. He failed to build a good captain, though a captain usually has to be a by-born entity having the leadership quality with the ability to think dynamically. But he was successful in developing some confidence in the players. That means, we were no longer afraid of the big names. When he took change, we were in a state of losing regularly against Zim or Kenya.

The people who are trying to say all our wins against big teams are 'jhore bok', they have not seen the win against Australia for sure. It was a professional run chage from HaBa, Ashfool and then Aftab. HaBa was playing very sensibly keeping the asking rate within the reach. JS can behave politically. But I am surprised to see that even some BC members are on the whim to call all such achievements as flukes.
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I mentioned it in my previous post and you have described it perfectly with the appropriate example. These guys know how to fool us. And I have no doubt that we are heading towards the low.

I am not a big fan of DW. He failed to build a good captain, though a captain usually has to be a by-born entity having the leadership quality with the ability to think dynamically. But he was successful in developing some confidence in the players. That means, we were no longer afraid of the big names. When he took change, we were in a state of losing regularly against Zim or Kenya.

The people who are trying to say all our wins against big teams are 'jhore bok', they have not seen the win against Australia for sure. It was a professional run chage from HaBa, Ashfool and then Aftab. HaBa was playing very sensibly keeping the asking rate within the reach. JS can behave politically. But I am surprised to see that even some BC members are on the whim to call all such achievements as flukes.
obviously chance won't win games against great 8 teams. but those wins were flukes in the sense that we can only pull them off once every 15 matches or so.

blah made a good point, at this point in his tenure, DW had yet to win a match. in fact, our ODI team was routinley scoring sub 180 scores. of course that team had much less talent than our current bunch. but we will have been without aftab and sakib for 7 matches on the trot come end of asia cup.

bottom line is DW won just 1 game (against a strong zimbabwe side) in his first 18+ months. JS needs at least 12 months to accurately gauge his contribution.
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Everyone is pulling statistics from their arses. (including siddons)
While the stats itself are accurate, they are as good as nothing. Stats are only relevant when the error margin is low, and error margin can be low only when the stats are taking from a vast pool of numbers.

You can't average from 10 games and say, "look soddons is crap" compare to 50+ games under whatmore over the course of 4 years. That doesn't make any sense, whatsoever. Because the players are not the same, the conditions are not the same. Resulting in a huge error margin, with garbage stats and numbers.

The only way to compare siddons performance with Whatmore performance, would be to take the first 7 months of games under siddons and whatmore minus the games against non-test playing nation. And than compare it to make any sense.

Not that it would make any sense, because the game numbers are too low; but you guys are too stubborn to understand that.

Whatmore won 5 games against test playing nations over the course of 4 fracking years (I hope you are not counting wins over zimbabwe). That's his only shinning moment of his career with bangladesh. So remember that before start critisizing siddons on the teams performace in the last 7 months.

I have always said whatmore was a failure with bangladesh (I know you guys will disagree), but when srilanka will not renew it's contract with the same coach who made them world champions. Or when no one else wants to take whatmore as a coach when he left bangladesh, and there were four spots open in the international team coaching market. Because everyone sees the failure of whatmore with bangladesh team, except for us. I dont want siddons to follow whatmores footstep, thats why I am glad that he is taking differant approach in coaching the team.
And Blah, you think Bangladesh team in June 2003 and August 2007 are essentially the same team??

Oh Yeah!! there is hardly any difference between Bangladesh's performance in world cup 2003 and world cup 2007.

Very well said. huh!
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obviously chance won't win games against great 8 teams. but those wins were flukes in the sense that we can only pull them off once every 15 matches or so.
You probably missed my previous post, we had 5 ODI wins against elite 8 teams in space of 29 ODIs, that's roughly 1 win in every 6 matches.

http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/...m;view=innings

You may ask why I am disregarding the first year and half of Whatmore period, the answer is simple - although we had two-three decent players in the team back then, we had not found a good core of players until the end of 2004. In case of Siddons, he is handed a good core of players from the very beginning.

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And Blah, you think Bangladesh team in June 2003 and August 2007 are essentially the same team??

Oh Yeah!! there is hardly any difference between Bangladesh's performance in world cup 2003 and world cup 2007.

Very well said. huh!

See, the funny thing about qoutes is that you can't have selective qoutes and take them out of context to make a point. To understand the point, you have to read the whole qoute + read what was written before the qoute + read what was written after the qoute.

To better understand what I said read before and after that qoute :

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You can't average from 10 games and say, "look soddons is crap" compare to 50+ games under whatmore over the course of 4 years. That doesn't make any sense, whatsoever. Because the players are not the same, the conditions are not the same. Resulting in a huge error margin, with garbage stats and numbers.

The only way to compare siddons performance with Whatmore performance, would be to take the first 7 months of games under siddons and whatmore minus the games against non-test playing nation. And than compare it to make any sense.

Not that it would make any sense, because the game numbers are too low; but you guys are too stubborn to understand that.

Taking qoutes out of context only proves your lack of understanding and being open to others arguments; NOT my ability to make a point.
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Scoring 200 runs cannot be considered as consistent performance when the opponents are scoring 300+.
I understood scoring 200+ was meant consistent from Bangladesh's point of view. Sudden rush of blood while taking shots, getting out unnecessarily when the team is in trouble - all these made our score end before 200 before. If we see that we are more often scoring 200+ that's a plus for now. Next target should be to take this 200 to 240 - 250 and so on. Then we should be able to compete hard against stronger opponents.

First thing first and scoring 200+ consistently is rightly considered consistent performance, I believe.
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Alright Blah, I have edited my post and quoted your whole post. It's hardly making any difference.
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