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Old June 26, 2008, 01:09 PM
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Thumbs up Ashraful defends the decision to bowl first

"Obviously it was my decision as I thought getting a few early wickets, maybe two or three, would put them in trouble as they were playing with just six specialist batsmen. The ball had swung until the first 15 overs when we batted against UAE and there was movement available in the wicket. The bowlers however, were disappointing and could not bowl the line we needed," said Ashraful.

Bangladesh were never in contention after Sri Lanka had made 357 for 9 but Ashraful thought the Tigers allowed them to get on top. Sanath Jayasuriya and Kumar Sangakkara put on 114 inside 15 overs and Bangladesh were always playing catch-up since.

"Jayasuriya (72 off 47 balls) and Sangakkara (101 off 91 balls) played brilliantly but we also bowled poorly at them and they took the game away from us. This was a wicket where you would fancy chasing 270. It was a superb track and I thought I really missed out," said Ashraful who was adjudged caught behind for 8 although television replays suggested that the ball had brushed his trousers on way to the 'keeper.

Lahore has seen temperatures reaching upto 46 degrees Celsius during both match days and for teams playing on consecutive days is a real test of physical and mental fitness. The searing heat has even discouraged the usual spectators from venturing out and matches have been played in front of empty stands. Ashraful said the format was something players had to get used to.

"It was very, very hot and it takes a lot out of you. But as professional players we have to be prepared for everything. The first target when we came here was obviously to beat UAE and ensure that we qualify for the next round in Karachi. That we have done and now our focus would be to try and get everyone playing their best game against India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka in the next round and hopefully Karachi will be cooler.

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Old June 26, 2008, 01:20 PM
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On the context of the team rule, he had taken the right decision. Sri Lanka is not like Pakistan (that they will let bowlers like Yunus to bowl); but they could relax a bit after scoring 350+ batting first. Then the team target of 240 would become easier.

JS does not know much about SL; but Ashraful knew how tough it would be batting against Vaas and Murali. So, he wanted to give them a bit of assurance of a win (when they had already scored 350+) so that they do not come hard against us.
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Old June 26, 2008, 01:23 PM
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Yeah, it's very much became the policy of Bangladesh team - let the opposition score 300+ so that they won't give us hard time scoring 200+.
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Old June 26, 2008, 01:34 PM
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Anyway, I did not expect a stubborn mule like Ashraful to realize what a blunder he made. If he was capable of realizing his mistakes, he would not be so miserable as a batsman in last 7 years or so.
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Old June 26, 2008, 01:35 PM
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If you win the toss, bat first; if you have any doubt, think and decide to bat - Don Bradman.
It is also universal that weaker team should bat first and score heavy. Then there is high probability that stronger team might tumble in chasing big total.
Those who are still defending Ash's decision to bowl first is a correct one, I have serious doubt about their cricket sense. BTW, this is not Ash's decision. So blaming Ash is wrong. This is team decision and blame should be put entirely on management which Ash is a part so he could be blame. But my hunch is JS is the decision maker and the others are his yes man. I completely understand JS logic of fielding first. Because once SL score 300(+-25) we would go for honorable defeat and in the process we could score 240. He can claim we are improving, consistently scoring 200+. But his gamble went horribly wrong (or extraordinarily correct) due to crap bowling. SL score 350+ and SL could play at relax mood. Still we struggle to score 200+.
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Old June 26, 2008, 01:36 PM
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I really don't understand his justifications !!

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"Obviously it was my decision as I thought getting a few early wickets, maybe two or three, would put them in trouble as they were playing with just six specialist batsmen.
If the opponents are short of a batsman, it would be difficult for them if they were made to chase.

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[B]The ball had swung until the first 15 overs when we batted against UAE and there was movement available in the wicket.
New Ball swang a bit, in both the innings

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Lahore has seen temperatures reaching upto 46 degrees Celsius during both match days and for teams playing on consecutive days is a real test of physical and mental fitness. The searing heat has even discouraged the usual spectators from venturing out and matches have been played in front of empty stands. Ashraful said the format was something players had to get used to.
That does not suggest a fielding first either

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"It was very, very hot and it takes a lot out of you. But as professional players we have to be prepared for everything.
Doesn't it suggest a bat first decision?

Crazy !! I still don't believe that JS wasn't involved in the decision. If he wasn't, he isn't doing his job.
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Old June 26, 2008, 01:40 PM
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Winning OR competeing against the Top 8 is not in thought "process" of Sid and his Kids, so Keptin Kid makes total sense here. Remember, we know NOTHING about cricket.

Sana/Sanga/Mahela = Miskeen 1/Miskeen 2/Miskeen 3 in his book, and I suppose our "pace unit" just didn't get lucky enough against the MIGHTY UAE !

A wicket's a wicket. Who cares if unforced errors or death overs risk-taking have more to do with those than say, the actual merit of the deliveries, right ? Ding-dong, bing-bong !
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Old June 26, 2008, 02:01 PM
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This was a wicket where you would fancy chasing 270
He DID not say "you would fancy..." Lol, or did he?

And if I only got a penny everytime Ashraful said, "obviously"
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Old June 26, 2008, 02:25 PM
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The ball had swung until the first 15 overs when we batted against UAE and there was movement available in the wicket.
Even the ball had swung the first 15 overs against UAE but our seamers hardly manage line and length. Didnt Ash observe that and also if they are not getting success against UAE then HOW COULD He IMAGINE THAT IT WOULD WORK AGAINST LANKANS!!!!!
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If the opponents are short of a batsman, it would be difficult for them if they were made to chase.

New Ball swang a bit, in both the innings.
What you said is very much common sense. Unfortunately, our captain has a very uncommon sense.
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Old June 26, 2008, 02:42 PM
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I don't know why we had to open another thread to discuss the same thing here? I and some other have given a lot thoughts in the other thread please read them there before questioning any ones cricketing sense. All I am trying do is justify why he could have done such and if you would read those post you would also know that is some logics out there. It might be different then what you think but that doesn't make it any less powerful.

Only thing i want to mention here is yeah we could have batted first and got beaten by any other match within 35 overs so what difference does it make?

as if we could have won the match for sure... If you think that way then i doubt your ability to think in a real world...grow up and move on. enough thread on this silly thing.
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Old June 26, 2008, 02:42 PM
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Those who are still defending Ash's decision to bowl first is a correct one, I have serious doubt about their cricket sense. BTW, this is not Ash's decision. So blaming Ash is wrong. This is team decision and blame should be put entirely on management which Ash is a part so he could be blame. But my hunch is JS is the decision maker and the others are his yes man. I completely understand JS logic of fielding first. Because once SL score 300(+-25) we would go for honorable defeat and in the process we could score 240. He can claim we are improving, consistently scoring 200+. But his gamble went horribly wrong (or extraordinarily correct) due to crap bowling. SL score 350+ and SL could play at relax mood. Still we struggle to score 200+.
Ashraful just admitted it was his decision.
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Old June 26, 2008, 02:46 PM
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What you said is very much common sense. Unfortunately, our captain has a very uncommon sense.
Haha! Like I said in the other thread our players try to over-isshmart without even being able to do the basics right. Letting Raj open the bowling. Rajib experimenting with his bowling in ODIs, I mean first do the normal stuff right then try the abnormal stuff thats just common sense but as u said our players have a isspeshal kind of sense, the uncommon sense.
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Old June 26, 2008, 02:53 PM
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If Ashraful made this decision without Siddons' consent, Siddons needs to request BCB for a new captain. However, I don't believe Ashraful would dare making toss decisions on his own without discussing with the coach. I think the management is just acting cowardice and letting Ashraful to take the fall by himself.
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Old June 26, 2008, 03:39 PM
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If Ashraful made this decision without Siddons' consent, Siddons needs to request BCB for a new captain. However, I don't believe Ashraful would dare making toss decisions on his own without discussing with the coach. I think the management is just acting cowardice and letting Ashraful to take the fall by himself.
Obhiasly ...
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The way things are in this team,,, there is no single perfomer or leader per se, other than Sakib who is still too young.

So obhiashly Ashraful ij the Kephten por naw
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Old June 26, 2008, 04:01 PM
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The way things are in this team,,, there is no single perfomer or leader per se, other than Sakib who is still too young.

So obhiashly Ashraful ij the Kephten por naw
Phashtobol, I lyk 2 thenk iu phor iur ispot on comment. Obhiasly iuar rite. It ij e sed sichueshan phor aas.
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You know I think we shouldn't be discussing about this now. The match is over so no point wasting our time like this. Instead we should be opening threads on what to do next match and how we are going to do them. How we are going to improve our mistakes next instead of just arguing over just one mistake!!
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Phashtobol, I lyk 2 thenk iu phor iur ispot on comment. Obhiasly iuar rite. It ij e sed sichueshan phor aas.
Sohel bhai...apni noshto hoiya jaitesen. You're hanging around with abol tabol crowd. Apnar english gelo...

Tokhon e koisilam Narindar oli goli te ghuiren na. Shunen nai amar kotha.
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Ami bujtasi na!! Amar bhishon koshto hoitasey. Really!! Someone is eating me up from the inside. I don't have "crimi" in my stomack. Feel like going postal.

Will try to calm down now. have a class to teach in two hours.
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Sohel bhai...apni noshto hoiya jaitesen. You're hanging around with abol tabol crowd. Apnar english gelo...

Tokhon e koisilam Narindar oli goli te ghuiren na. Shunen nai amar kotha.
I beleeb oan mast du ej di roman du, obhiasly. My Inglish ij istil more better then halago Bangla.

Ekusher syatona ... :pamfs_phisht:
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Phashtobol, I lyk 2 thenk iu phor iur ispot on comment. Obhiasly iuar rite. It ij e sed sichueshan phor aas.
Sohel bhai, ekta anti-yaba tablet den!! Amar obostha beshi bhalo na.
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Ami bujtasi na!! Amar bhishon koshto hoitasey. Really!! Someone is eating me up from the inside. I don't have "crimi" in my stomack.
No no...I'm pretty sure it's crimi. Tell me if any of the following is true:

1. Pet a kochor mochor kochor mochor awaz dey (like kaat poka)
2. Oshlil jagate khaujjay

Doctor er kaase jan bhai...never delay in such situations.
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Sohel bhai, ekta anti-yaba tablet den!! Amar obostha beshi bhalo na.
Obhiasly Koran paurho monojog diya ar kaurolar raush khao dine tin byala. Kam na hoile Koranta niya RAB 1 HQ-te chiola jao Uttaray.
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Obhiasly Koran paurho monojog diya ar kaurolar raush khao dine tin byala. Kam na hoile Koranta niya RAB 1 HQ-te chiola jao Uttaray.
phastabol, Ie kan knot tok sumudly lyke eu. obhiusly, I shud knot hav taikan Daktar Siddons medichin. naow I realije, that pereskiption ij tha rial rijon fhor mai stomak poroblem. that ij whaat iating mi inshide out.
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