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Old June 30, 2008, 12:13 AM
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hmmm thanks to zunaid for opening a thread like this! i love to talk about this issue everytime it is brought up! if anyone has followed my posts in BC it is pretty clear that i was a huge fan of whatmore and i dearly miss him! Anyhow reality is now we dont have whatmore handling our team and we have a great aussie ex-first class batsman Jamie Siddons (JS)....
Now when i heard we were looking for coaches before the WC07 i really hoped if whatmore had been gone woolmer couldve come in... no matter how much bcb would have had to pay if woolmer wanted to come he shouldve come... hes the best coach of all time.... but he was gone ... and i thought the best alternative we had was moody... but he didnt agree either.... but then i felt why not the ex u-19 coach mcinnes... he left on a high note... and we heard he was in a way confirmed to be the coach.... only some financial matters broke the deal... then we had siddons... i didnt know much about him... but i guess miraz gave us some infos about him in the head coach hunting thread... his career records as a batsman is superb no doubt... but i didnt know did he have a great coaching career or not... still he came in.. and since he has arrived i have been telling myself that one day he might give me a reason to like him... but sad he never did... as a head coach he has definately failed... why ? lets examine...
a head coach is like the leader... c.e.o.... he has other managers of other depts. helping him out..... like a fielding bowling batting coach and trainers and etc.... so the head coach has to give the authority to each of the coaches to conduct the trainning and practise session as they want to... but the head coach has to keep an eye on everything and make strategies... he has to make the strategic decisions.... he has to lead the way and inspire..... he has to make sure everyone gets the message across clearly... and also he has to ensure that everyone has the hunger to win....!
JS sadly hasnt done anything as such... he has improved tamim's batting for sure... and might have helped some batsman score some runs consistenly... you have to thank him for that... but over all he has been horrible... stratically he has made so many blunders...!!!
you cant set a fixed team rule for every match... the simple rule is you have to take the conditions, the match situation, the batting strength, and the merit of the ball into account and play the ball... i really dont like this team rule thing...!
JS made the biggest mistake of making a terrible change... replacing rasel with mediocore bowlers like reza and dollar.... i remember in one interview he reasoned that rasel doesnt have enough pace... if thats the case is reza and dollar that daim fast... dont think so.... you see you dont have to have pace to be great bowler... mcgrath vaas never had that amount of pace like akhter or lee... but still they were great with their bowling... because they bowled in the right channel in the right line and length... and thus they were hard to get away... what rasel did was the same... he bowled in the same line and length consistently... he blocked the runs from one end... and on the other end we had mash who bowled aggressively and the batsman in frustration tried something different and wickets fell.. so rasel necessarily doesnt have to be a wicket taking bowler but he is definately a bowler who helps others pick up wicket...! so i highly would suggest to get a bowling coach and fix the bowling problem...!
the fielding has never been this bad.... it is terrible to see the downfall... i mean in wc07 we were one of the best fielding outfit... some strong critics said that we were better then india pakistan or even possibly sri lanka... but now it is below par... i dont know what exactly has happened to the same outfit... why has the fielding fallen... the fielding coach has been the same... i wonder then why the drop in quality... praully siddons isnt giving much attention to this fact....!
now comes the most important part of a head coach... believing in your team and inspiring them to achieve great stuffs... for that you have to aim high... you have to aim high and have to make sure that your team members work hard to achieve those high aims set by you... you have to inspire them to do good to achieve those high goals.... for that you might have to be soft at times and make them understand... and if they dont understand then take strong tough actions.... ! this has been missing big time from JS... ! from the moment he stepped into bd... he said bd doesnt have the ability to win any games...! gosh why would you say that... that severly demoralizes a team... if you go into a team you are supposed to inspire... but what did he do... he looked down upon every player... he gave every player the feel that you guys are worthless and you cant play....! it was quite contrary to what whatmore made them feel... whatmore set them a specific target... that is win... try to win... and he made players feel that you guys are as much capable of winning as the indians or pakis or sri lankans... i remember reading an article where whatmore (in WI) gave that clear msg to players.... but siddons is very negetive... this outlook hasnt done any good to our team... thats why when we see out team playing now a days... they look severly negetive... they seem that they have lost the game even before it started... they have lost the hunger for winning...! this is all due to the fact that siddons has been terribly negative...!
thus i conclude by saying.... he might be a good batting coach... but he certainly doesnt have the quality of a head coach... we need some positive handling our team... so basically now bcb should do IMO is keep siddons as a batting coach... bring in a bowling coach who could be a head coach... !and give enough authority to our fielding coach to carry on his practise methods so that team can go back to the fielding form they had till WC07!
thanks for reading the post...!
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Old June 30, 2008, 12:31 AM
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This might shed some light to your query: Kapali said -
"I planned my innings and followed the team rule. I knew that if I was there after 40 overs then I could play those big shots and that's why I started off playing as straight as possible and with low-risk shots"

http://www.bdnews24.com/details.php?id=56317&cid=5
This is exactly what I said in my previous post:

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Things did start changing for the better in 2007 and Kapali attributes that to himself.

"I identified the weaknesses in my batting myself. There were slight changes I had to make technically. Earlier I went across too much early on and that brought about my downfall often. I practiced playing with a straight bat and I made runs in the National Championship and the Dhaka Premier League this season," said Kapali.
Generally I have no disagreement on 'He might be more useful as a batting coach'. Good and intelligent players like SN, AA, Ash are still strugling for their form under JS. JS has taken some steps which will take time to have vissible improvement, we will see if JS is doing the right things. Hope he is

We shouldn't misunderstand Alex's generosity. He is much more matured now to understand that, he can't survive in the team speaking against it's rules. He is also likely to have bad days, but it's always the way you are able to play & score. That's common sense all over the cricketing world.

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Old June 30, 2008, 12:35 AM
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Focus on what he did instead of what he said.

Generally I have no disagreement on 'He might be more useful as a batting coach'. Good and intelligent players like SN, AA, Ash are still strugling for their form under JS. JS has taken some steps which it will take time to improve, we will see if JS is doing the right things. Hope he is

But we shouldn't misunderstand Alex's generosity.

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Kapali, however, attributed the turn-around in his fortunes to himself. "I identified the weaknesses in my batting myself. There were slight changes I had to make technically," he said. "Earlier I went across too much early on and that brought about my downfall often. I practised playing with a straight bat and made runs in the National Championship and the Dhaka Premier League this season."
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Old June 30, 2008, 12:36 AM
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i like this effect!
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Old June 30, 2008, 12:45 AM
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i honestly think under JS tamim has learn lot.
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Old June 30, 2008, 01:34 AM
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So my 3.7 year old is still formulating his world/life views. I try and give him the full explanation for most things but sometimes that stuff is just beyond him. E.g. he roughly understands digestive system (food goes into tummy, tummy works on it to give me energy, muscle/bone, and poopie). But trying to explain what's a balanced diet is bit much for him. So we have developed some arbitrary rules for him. He must have at least half a glass of milk/juice with every meal. He must have two pieces of meat with his rice. We find that at this stage of development it's easier to do this - easier for him to follow along as well. I'm sure once he's a little further developed he'll understand the need for hydration, fiber, carbs, etc.

Look at the the relative experience of our team, the immaturity of our cricket culture and the emerging nature of our infrastructure. Perhaps JS is just a good parent?
hahaha great analogy although I wouldnt say team rules is as arbitrary as u make them sound like, although our batters are maybe just a wee bit younger than your three year old
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Old June 30, 2008, 03:02 AM
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Team Rule for batting is worked so far but we are getting let down on bowling and fielding. JS must do something ASAP. Rumesh Rathnayke must get involved with the main team bowlers.

I sometime wonder whether JS is stopping Rumesh Rathnayke coming in to the main team.
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Old June 30, 2008, 03:24 AM
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So my 3.7 year old is still formulating his world/life views. I try and give him the full explanation for most things but sometimes that stuff is just beyond him. E.g. he roughly understands digestive system (food goes into tummy, tummy works on it to give me energy, muscle/bone, and poopie). But trying to explain what's a balanced diet is bit much for him. So we have developed some arbitrary rules for him. He must have at least half a glass of milk/juice with every meal. He must have two pieces of meat with his rice. We find that at this stage of development it's easier to do this - easier for him to follow along as well. I'm sure once he's a little further developed he'll understand the need for hydration, fiber, carbs, etc.

Look at the the relative experience of our team, the immaturity of our cricket culture and the emerging nature of our infrastructure. Perhaps JS is just a good parent?
Interesting analogy and maybe you're right. But it's a bit tough for me reconcile the image of some of our wickedly damrha batsmen with the angelic disposition of a blessed 3.7 year old ...

Now, some of our batsmen may not be the brightest frogs in the pond of ODI cricket, but they're not learning impaired little fishes either, so to speak. So, the "good parenting" needs to be adjusted accordingly IMHO.

I for one don't want Sid to get the type of heat he has been getting. Hence the constructive criticism to help him succeed. Learning and adaptation can be integral parts of meaningful and positive growth, and Sid cannot be an exception to that idea.
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Old June 30, 2008, 07:07 AM
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as a batting coach.. sid id good.. but overall.. i'm still not happy with him.. he needs to do something abt the bowling and fielding..
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Old June 30, 2008, 09:12 AM
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Can someone please relate Alex's innings with the JS 'batting rules' please?

Alex wasn't even in the team, he just joined the team at the last moment. He hardly got any real practice session with JS in comparison to others. while others tried to follow the rules, or was duelling in confusions, Alex just took it in his hand because it was question of his survival and I credit him and his heroics for the innings. Lets push all of them toward the threat of extinct; I'm sure many of them will produce gems; if that's the strategy, it's fine. Which of JS strategy is working; could we relate that?

I came across a number of dumb / Asole bosses, who are well reputed within the org for that. So the subs just do the right thing at the crucial moment violating all instruction, if things are good, the SL dumb will score all the credits and if by chance that goes wrong, will go back to his dumb instruction and fire the sub. Violating the boss and achieving the best, is never a healthy trend in any team. Run the risk of catastrophic collapse anytime and might struggle to perform as a unit in the long run.

Some similar things are happening around our team. We seem to ignore the vital mistakes of batting first, not including bowlers according to pitch condition, decline in bowling, decline in fielding, decline in motivation, losses after losses etc etc.

Have we forgotten that, this (Shommanjonok Porajoy) was just the normal transformation of the team which was expected on a regular basis after WC 07?

I am not suggesting that JS should be thrown out etc etc, neither I like to extend a blind support. One must be able to relate to the policies with the output, I still can't relate JS policies with yesterday's positives. And one positive doesn't eliminate 10 negatives. That's my opinion. (I don't expect Pundit to agree)
I agree with almost everything bar the last para. I think it is better for us to appoint who have more tactical nous to be the head coach than JS. So it is better for us to get rid of him as early as possible. JS already proved that he is good but not great batting coach. I am actually impressed about the work he has done with the young cubs (Tamim, Raquibul, Sakib); but failed with the older cubs (SN, Aftab). I am not at all impressed with the transformation with Ashfluke.
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DW was similarily uni dimensional. he was a great psychologist but not a good technician.
You fail to mention that he is great strategist. Jaya - Kalu opening partnership for SL, sending Mushy and Sakib ahead of the experience Ash, HB was a masterstroke againest the India in that WC match.

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One good innings does not make a good batsman and one fairly good match does not make anyone a good coach.

He seems to have some positive influence on batting, but still appears clueless in overall (which includes fielding, bowling and most importantly winning mentality) management/coaching of the game.
I fully concur.
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Old June 30, 2008, 09:49 AM
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Siddon may not be doing everything right and some cases his actions is not well understood by the fans (including myself
), but I also see some indication that tells me I can still hope for something good to happen under the leadership of siidon.

If we want, we can pick and choose plenty of issues what Siddon did, said, ignored , etc.... but overall I see some sign of something different happening .... something completely different that I haven't see under other coaches... and the result so far is mixed...but I have a feeling something good to happen that will have permanent effect in the team... something we can build for future....


For example there are few things some fans complained (they have reason to complain)...

- Not knowing much about Rafiq's capabilities and publicly exposing his lack of knowledge about Rafiq's capabilities
- Publicly saying that we may not be good enough to win against best teams
- Publicly saying that a score of 220 should be the target and good enough score
- All those Team rules
- Ignoring Rasel
- Decline of bowling overall
- Decline of fielding overall
- Some decisions after winning the toss, etc.
- try to set expectation low enough and undermining past success so that he can claim success in future.
- Promoting some new players too early and dumping them too early
- His bald head



But here are some of the reasons why I see some hope and still why I want to stick with him a little longer

- I saw some changes in Aftab before his head injury and it was JS efffect. So far Aftab went back to old, but I thing in long term Aftab will change.. otherwise he will be not be in the team.
- Sticking with Ash and trying to transform him to make him something really special. Its too early, but I see some changes in Ash that I have never seen under any past coaches. I never thought Ash is changeable the way he is showing now a days.
- Sticking with players like farhad and mahmudullah and let them flourish
- I see effect of Siddon in Tamim
- I see Rakibul is developing nicely ...specailly in both form in the game.
- I see drastic improvement in Farhad's bowling
- I see overall development in Sakib
- We have to wait and see.... but looks like under JS ..Alok may have taken u-turn and going in the right direction.
- Even he Said 220 is the target, looks like the team is moving forward and targeting toward 250+.
- He is a young and first time young coach, so I would expect him to make mistake and learn and grow as a coach. I would rather invest on young promising coach than experienced mediocre coach.
- I see some hints he has a plan and sticking with it, and instead of trying to go for hit and miss home run, he is trying to remold and rebuild a foundation from where he plan to grow the team. I am willing to see further how he progress.
- He is coaching for us 1 year, and its not enough to make some fundamental change in the team. I would rather wait for 1 more year before evaluating him.
- We the fans don't know lots of things that happens day in day out... player's attitude, whether a player is a quick learner or not, their talent level, what politics are involved with players, executives, outside force, etc
- WE also don't know detailed game plan of Siddon, we just know bits and pieces from reports and his interview.

Therefore I am willing to wait and see mode.... I can understand why some fans criticize JS... but I am not ready to start asking for JS's head yet... actually I am seeing some hope in JS and the team as long as we stick with him 1+ years... but do we have the patient to do that?

We gain something special we need to go through some pain... are we will to do that?

We need to understand the meaning of the signals. Are those real or fluke? Can we identify the difference?

These are the real questions,,,
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Siddon may not be doing everything right and some cases his actions is not well understood by the fans (including myself
), but I also see some indication that tells me I can still hope for something good to happen under the leadership of siidon.

If we want, we can pick and choose plenty of issues what Siddon did, said, ignored , etc.... but overall I see some sign of something different happening .... something completely different that I haven't see under other coaches... and the result so far is mixed...but I have a feeling something good to happen that will have permanent effect in the team... something we can build for future....


For example there are few things some fans complained (they have reason to complain)...

- Not knowing much about Rafiq's capabilities and publicly exposing his lack of knowledge about Rafiq's capabilities
- Publicly saying that we may not be good enough to win against best teams
- Publicly saying that a score of 220 should be the target and good enough score
- All those Team rules
- Ignoring Rasel
- Decline of bowling overall
- Decline of fielding overall
- Some decisions after winning the toss, etc.
- try to set expectation low enough and undermining past success so that he can claim success in future.
- Promoting some new players too early and dumping them too early
- His bald head



But here are some of the reasons why I see some hope and still why I want to stick with him a little longer

- I saw some changes in Aftab before his head injury and it was JS efffect. So far Aftab went back to old, but I thing in long term Aftab will change.. otherwise he will be not be in the team.
- Sticking with Ash and trying to transform him to make him something really special. Its too early, but I see some changes in Ash that I have never seen under any past coaches. I never thought Ash is changeable the way he is showing now a days.
- Sticking with players like farhad and mahmudullah and let them flourish
- I see effect of Siddon in Tamim
- I see Rakibul is developing nicely ...specailly in both form in the game.
- I see drastic improvement in Farhad's bowling
- I see overall development in Sakib
- We have to wait and see.... but looks like under JS ..Alok may have taken u-turn and going in the right direction.
- Even he Said 220 is the target, looks like the team is moving forward and targeting toward 250+.
- He is a young and first time young coach, so I would expect him to make mistake and learn and grow as a coach. I would rather invest on young promising coach than experienced mediocre coach.
- I see some hints he has a plan and sticking with it, and instead of trying to go for hit and miss home run, he is trying to remold and rebuild a foundation from where he plan to grow the team. I am willing to see further how he progress.
- He is coaching for us 1 year, and its not enough to make some fundamental change in the team. I would rather wait for 1 more year before evaluating him.
- We the fans don't know lots of things that happens day in day out... player's attitude, whether a player is a quick learner or not, their talent level, what politics are involved with players, executives, outside force, etc
- WE also don't know detailed game plan of Siddon, we just know bits and pieces from reports and his interview.

Therefore I am willing to wait and see mode.... I can understand why some fans criticize JS... but I am not ready to start asking for JS's head yet... actually I am seeing some hope in JS and the team as long as we stick with him 1+ years... but do we have the patient to do that?

We gain something special we need to go through some pain... are we will to do that?

We need to understand the meaning of the signals. Are those real or fluke? Can we identify the difference?

These are the real questions,,,
Brilliant in one word. I like the way you're putting things in perspectives. Enjoyed your post. Thanks a lot.

just now Ashraful showed he is back in old form getting caught trying to pull too early on a short ball. It will take time but patience is the key.

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Old June 30, 2008, 11:18 AM
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Well written, Fazal.

You made some good points.
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- I see Rakibul is developing nicely ...specailly in both form in the game.
Fazal bhaijan, apart from ODI, what's the other form Rakibul is developing?

He is yet to make his Test and T20 debut.
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An in-form Rassel and Sakib needed back in the team ASAP.
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Old June 30, 2008, 11:58 AM
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He is yet to make his Test and T20 debut.
You are right in that aspect. However the reason I said he is developing in both form is from the following perspective:

As a nation we are not playing test that many any way so we have to wait and see for end result. But so far we have seen, fans here more or less things that he is more of a TEST prospect rather than a ODI prospect. People have have concern about his ODI skills. So even he haven't played a TEST yet, I am less concernes about his TEST prospect. some of his patient ODi innings (at the begining) nd how he buit his inngings gives me hope that he is developing skill (mental and physical) to be successful both in oDI as well as TEST.
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Old June 30, 2008, 12:15 PM
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Fazal vai,
with the exception of his bald head the other critiques against JS is quite fair AFAI concern. Regarding the so called improvement let me clarify something.
1. Aftab: Is this the same Aftab we are talking who scored 57 runs in Pakistan. I saw no change in his approach in Pak tour. He yet made one good score in JS era. I was actually thinking we are seeing a new Aftab till that Kallis bouncer.
2. Ash is changing; but not improving. Before he was trying to hot 4/6 even to unplayable balls and now he defend in those balls which have 4 written all over.
3. You were talking about sticking on Farhad and Riyad. I do not watch so much Riyad bar one match. But I think he is actually destroying Farhad by making him opening bowler and toying with his batting position. AFAI concern he is the cleanest hitter of ball in Bangladesh team; now we are losing him. And I yet fail to nderstand why he dropped Dhiman; remember I am a Mushy fan
4. I do not know what improvement he made to Rakib. But this guy has a triple ton in domestic match and with Sakib and Mushy considered as the most thinking crickter in domestic circuit.
But anyway even as his harshest critique agree that he is a good batting coach (Tamim may attest); we have problem he being as head coach. We often talk why Ash is not learning? But is our coach learning? How many 300+ score needed agaienst us to realize that we need Rasel opening the bowling; you need to watch local game to spot talent. I was quite surprised to learn that JS agreed Alok's inclusion based on a single net practice. You need to perform in three departments (batting, bowling, fielding) to win a match. JS should know it better as he was the batting coach when SA chased 434, NZ succesively chased 350+. But in the last 10 monthes not a single match our three dept clicks. Unfortunatley we move forward two steps in batting but move backward four steps in fielding and eight steps in bowling. The blame should be put solely on JS.
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Old June 30, 2008, 01:37 PM
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Fazal mamu, great post. I don't agree with all of it, but great post nonetheless.
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here's a bit of a batting comparison between whatmore's team and siddons team, keep in mind whatmore had 4 years and siddons has only had like 7 or 8 months.

- whatmore's team never got 280+ against top 8 teams and siddons team has done it twice
- whatmores team only got 280+ on one occassion (against kenya), siddons team has already done it 4 times (twice against top 8s, twice against minnows)
- siddons team has 4 of the top 5 highest totals by BD in ODIs
- siddons team already has 4 centuries (2 against top 8s), whatmores only had 7 in 4 years (one against top 8s)
- ashraful's average although still not great is getting better, he's actually got it over 23 and i don't think that happened under whatmore (i'd call that an improvement)
- shakib, SN, riyad and raqibul all average over 30 with the bat, not sure if BD has ever had 4 batsmen averaging 30+ in ODIs all at the same time
- on the other side of things whatmores team actually does have a lot more 250+ scores than siddons' team, but remember he did have more time than siddons. siddons' teams 250+ scores tend to be bigger e.g. everytime siddons' team has 250+ it's been 280+

in regards to aftab, well he was trying to change but then he's had a couple of injuries which have surely interupted his progress, and by the looks of it discouraged him from making those changes, he's had less time to practice with siddons because of these injuries so it shouldn't be surprising if he's behind the other batsmen imo

i think it's becoming more and more obvious every game that the batting is improving (well except for this last match) but everything else is falling away.
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Old June 30, 2008, 07:38 PM
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There's no doubt Siddons is nurturing our batting talents quite well. Apart from Kapali, all seemed to improve under his guidance( Kapali just has the experience).

However, our bowling has never looked so bad. Especially our pace bowling is falling apart. We had much better performances when Tapash and Sharif were playing. I have not seen a more indisciplined bowling performance. Even UAE has bowled much better to Lanka. Rasel should come back. Reza, Rajib and Mamu all have the capability to bowl better. Hopefully siddons keeps an eye on all 3 departments from now on., Oh, and I think even a local bowling coach can help...prob more than international faltu coaches since the main prob is in the bowlers' head. Oh, and fielding is bad too.
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Siddon may not be doing everything right and some cases his actions is not well understood by the fans (including myself
), but I also see some indication that tells me I can still hope for something good to happen under the leadership of siidon.

If we want, we can pick and choose plenty of issues what Siddon did, said, ignored , etc.... but overall I see some sign of something different happening .... something completely different that I haven't see under other coaches... and the result so far is mixed...but I have a feeling something good to happen that will have permanent effect in the team... something we can build for future....


For example there are few things some fans complained (they have reason to complain)...

- Not knowing much about Rafiq's capabilities and publicly exposing his lack of knowledge about Rafiq's capabilities
- Publicly saying that we may not be good enough to win against best teams
- Publicly saying that a score of 220 should be the target and good enough score
- All those Team rules
- Ignoring Rasel
- Decline of bowling overall
- Decline of fielding overall
- Some decisions after winning the toss, etc.
- try to set expectation low enough and undermining past success so that he can claim success in future.
- Promoting some new players too early and dumping them too early
- His bald head



But here are some of the reasons why I see some hope and still why I want to stick with him a little longer

- I saw some changes in Aftab before his head injury and it was JS efffect. So far Aftab went back to old, but I thing in long term Aftab will change.. otherwise he will be not be in the team.
- Sticking with Ash and trying to transform him to make him something really special. Its too early, but I see some changes in Ash that I have never seen under any past coaches. I never thought Ash is changeable the way he is showing now a days.
- Sticking with players like farhad and mahmudullah and let them flourish
- I see effect of Siddon in Tamim
- I see Rakibul is developing nicely ...specailly in both form in the game.
- I see drastic improvement in Farhad's bowling
- I see overall development in Sakib
- We have to wait and see.... but looks like under JS ..Alok may have taken u-turn and going in the right direction.
- Even he Said 220 is the target, looks like the team is moving forward and targeting toward 250+.
- He is a young and first time young coach, so I would expect him to make mistake and learn and grow as a coach. I would rather invest on young promising coach than experienced mediocre coach.
- I see some hints he has a plan and sticking with it, and instead of trying to go for hit and miss home run, he is trying to remold and rebuild a foundation from where he plan to grow the team. I am willing to see further how he progress.
- He is coaching for us 1 year, and its not enough to make some fundamental change in the team. I would rather wait for 1 more year before evaluating him.
- We the fans don't know lots of things that happens day in day out... player's attitude, whether a player is a quick learner or not, their talent level, what politics are involved with players, executives, outside force, etc
- WE also don't know detailed game plan of Siddon, we just know bits and pieces from reports and his interview.

Therefore I am willing to wait and see mode.... I can understand why some fans criticize JS... but I am not ready to start asking for JS's head yet... actually I am seeing some hope in JS and the team as long as we stick with him 1+ years... but do we have the patient to do that?

We gain something special we need to go through some pain... are we will to do that?

We need to understand the meaning of the signals. Are those real or fluke? Can we identify the difference?

These are the real questions,,,
Thank you for this post Fazal. Good read...
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His bald head


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We need to understand the meaning of the signals. Are those real or fluke? Can we identify the difference?

These are the real questions
Mamu, only EE people can answer that. I am taking the summer course ECEN 314: Signals and Systems. After I pass that course, I will be able to examine those signals and determine if they were real or fluke
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Mamu, only EE people can answer that. I am taking the summer course ECEN 314: Signals and Systems. After I pass that course, I will be able to examine those signals and determine if they were real or fluke
Bhaigna,

Good to know that you are taking EE courses. Then lets talk in term of EE and electricity then. Bangaldesh's performance was more like(110 volt ) spicky AC current with more down than up. Siddon is trying to produce DC current. But right now its only 6 volt at best . Thats the problem.
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I think this guy knows what he is doing. He is a opposite type of character to Dav.

I think a good comparison between them is well deserved. This will show us their thinking processes to achieve the goals. Though both of them are from Australia, they differ with each other in almost every single aspect.
  • Dav played for national team while Siddons never got the chance. Though he is considered to be in the list of top 50 ever batsmen in some people's opinion.
  • The best feature of Dav is his inspiration capability. He can some times do wonder by inspiring even a very young team. We have seen the example a few times indeed. But if you work with a single team this way you can achieve wins time to time but never can expect stability in the team in terms of performance. On the other hand, Siddons relies on the hard facts of statistics which shows the capabilities of a player. If you can show you can score runs in at least any form of the game you are in the team. Not a bad idea at all.
  • Dav was really moody type. This was the biggest complaints from the journalists. On the contrary, Siddons some times seem to be too easy going with the team and the press.
  • Siddons wants the team to perform at least moderately every game. If this continues then wins would start to come frequently. On the other hand, Dav wanted wins some games and could allow flat performances other days.
  • Dav didn't work with individual players to fix their problem. We saw same player doing the same mistake over and over again during his tenure. Siddons seems to work with each of them. We saw Tamim becoming a consistent batsman under his supervision. Ash seems to settle down. Kapali the burnt out boy showed wonder yesterday.
Overall rating cannot be done yet. Still he seems to be a good professional coach IMO whom BD really needs at the moment.
First of all.. hi guys!! Long time since Ive been on here!

Second.. I dont knwo wether to be proud or shocked that you are still talkin bout Dav. Jamie and Dav are different people but they both have the same drive to want the best for the team in thier own ways...

I think in reference to the above quote, you need to know more before you write! I dont agree with all of it. You also have to remember what the team was like before Dav started as opposed to when Jamie started! I did laugh when u said he is moody and that "Dav didn't work with individual players to fix their problem".... you have nooo idea!
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