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Old April 2, 2009, 12:35 PM
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Default South Africa - better ground for Mash than India

I don't know if this has been discussed here.

With only 4 slots for non-Indians, Mashrafee's main competition for a place in the XI, I think, is Medis. With Gayle in the team, who would make it in as a pure batsman, does Kolkata need another spinner in the South African pitch? They may not even use any spinner at all. In India, Medis would have been essential. What do you think?
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Old April 2, 2009, 12:44 PM
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I thought this T20 was all about the money.

Since IPL is a Indian Domestic competition, wouldn't they ask SA board to create batting friendly pitches so that more crowds/viewers would enjoy? 4's and 6's. I think the wickets will be flat as ever but still better than Indian flat pitches.

By the Mendis should be a shoe in. Spin bowling Mash will be sidelined for most of the games.
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I agree with you. Indian players play spin pretty well, thats why most of the spinners struggled last season eventhough the matches were played in India in spin friendly conditions. Now the tournament will be played in South Africa where spin will be rejected by the pitches which will make it even easier for batsmen to play spin. I think Kolkata for the majority of the tournament will play at least 3 specialist pacers in nearly all the games. I don't see Ishant as a competition for Mash as a Ishant will be regular for KKR. Agarkar will be a hurdle for Mash as both of them are #8 bowling all-rounders. Agarkar's bowling last time I saw was disastrous so I think Mash will win the battle between the two.
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I agree with you. Indian players play spin pretty well, thats why most of the spinners struggled last season eventhough the matches were played in India in spin friendly conditions. Now the tournament will be played in South Africa where spin will be rejected by the pitches which will make it even easier for batsmen to play spin. I think Kolkata for the majority of the tournament will play at least 3 specialist pacers in nearly all the games. I don't see Ishant as a competition for Mash as a Ishant will be regular for KKR. Agarkar will be a hurdle for Mash as both of them are #8 bowling all-rounders. Agarkar's bowling last time I saw was disastrous so I think Mash will win the battle between the two.
Remember there will be 7 Indians and 4 non-Indians in the XI. Ishant will be the #1 choice under all circumstances. Mashrafee has two fold competition. If KKR thinks they need to use their foreign batsmen, and their Indian pacers are sufficient, then Mash will get more rest than he deserves.
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... If KKR thinks they need to use their foreign batsmen, ....
They can't. Most of them during the first part will be busy playing intl. Ponting, Gayle and others.
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They can't. Most of them during the first part will be busy playing intl. Ponting, Gayle and others.
Ponting said he will take rest during this IPL season.
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I think Mash is surely going to play all the matches, if he is fit. KKR is just creating a situation to make mash desperate to perform. All psychic stimuative acts by kkr
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I dont remember Mash doing really well with ball in South African Condition.
And since its T20, Mash have a chance of getting beaten.
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I would love Mash get the deserved rest before WC20/20 but earn the money
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south afrika or hindustaan, all my prayers, good thoughts and love are with our dear beloved mashrafee!
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it would much better if he gets rested often - i would rather not have our main strike pace bowler bowling spin during the WC!
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Our most precious pace bowler and vice-captain is risking himself NOT playing for the national team be getting injured in some foreign tournament. DOES ANYONE REALISE THAT? He gets injured pretty frequently. I don't see why everyone's jumping for joy here.

I'd rather see him fail while playing for us, rather than succeed in the IPL.

Stupid BCCI. Stupid twenty20 cricket.
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^^^
very wrong attitude IMO.
the fierce competitive environment of SA will improve mash tremendously as a player, surely you don't think that he has already achieved his full potential ?

sometimes injury-prone players need to have a grueling season to get in peak fitness.
if you try and "nanny" a player he will never mature and never serve his country to the fullest potential. there's a reason why pacers want to play for the long county season in their formative years.
have a look at the article on NZ quicks and why they have such a massive injury problem.
link is in the ind vs NZ thread.
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Our most precious pace bowler and vice-captain is risking himself NOT playing for the national team be getting injured in some foreign tournament. DOES ANYONE REALISE THAT? He gets injured pretty frequently. I don't see why everyone's jumping for joy here.

I'd rather see him fail while playing for us, rather than succeed in the IPL.
Stupid BCCI. Stupid twenty20 cricket.

Cricket_king, i have always been an admirer of your logical posts, but i fail to see any merit behind that statement


i do not think any of was want to see him fail playing for the national team
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I agree Neel

Why should people be scared of our strike bowler being injured bowling 5 overs? You make him look so fragile, i'm sure he isn't that fragile at all.

Don't forget that this is one of the best opportunities of his life. For Learning & Earning both. We are supposed to get back a much more matured Mash by the end of this tournament.
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Cricket_king, i have always been an admirer of your logical posts, but i fail to see any merit behind that statement


i do not think any of was want to see him fail playing for the national team
I didn't say I WANT him to fail...come on man.

I just feel extremely threatened by this whole IPL/twenty20 cricket thing.

I'll admit, if he was playing domestic cricket in Australia or the county league I'd be fine with it - I just can't stand any of our players playing in anything that aids the BCCI, unless we get something out of it.

And I despise twenty20 cricket in every way.

Sincerest apologies for my illogical post.
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I'll admit, if he was playing domestic cricket in Australia or the county league I'd be fine with it - I just can't stand any of our players playing in anything that aids the BCCI, unless we get something out of it.
what has aus or ECB done for BD cricket to merit this support ?
when the question of BD's test status came up at the ICC these two boards were at the forefront of the opposing block and fought BD's inclusion tooth and nail.
it was the asian bloc led by ind along with SA's vote that really clinched the test status for BD after voting. even the first test was against an indian team if I remember.

I find this "its all BCCI's fault" a little too simplistic and ill-informed.
no offense !!
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what has aus or ECB done for BD cricket to merit this support ?
when the question of BD's test status came up at the ICC these two boards were at the forefront of the opposing block and fought BD's inclusion tooth and nail.
it was the asian bloc led by ind along with SA's vote that really clinched the test status for BD after voting. even the first test was against an indian team if I remember.

I find this "its all BCCI's fault" a little too simplistic and ill-informed.
no offense !!
Actually, other than getting us the Test status, BCCI didn't do anything to help our cricket. They didn't even give us a chance to play in their home soil.

Australia has helped us in many ways.
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like voicing the strongest opinions on removing test status.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cri...st-status.html

getting your team to play in a gap in schedule is much easier than making a policy decision. I find this fawning attitude towards countries who have really belittled BD cricket time and again irksome. check all anti-BD comments on test status from cricket officials, chances are 95% if not all are from ECB/CA.
as for BCCI, I am ok with deserving criticism (like not hosting BD) but I suppose voting on the test status counts for more ? but suppose you do know that ind had a packed schedule till 2007 WC decided from 1999-2000 ! in fact, BCCI faced severe criticism inside country when the dog tired players were asked to play against BD in the one off test at that time.
check the match schedule of ind at that time, anyone would feel sorry for those players.
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what has aus or ECB done for BD cricket to merit this support ?
when the question of BD's test status came up at the ICC these two boards were at the forefront of the opposing block and fought BD's inclusion tooth and nail.
it was the asian bloc led by ind along with SA's vote that really clinched the test status for BD after voting. even the first test was against an indian team if I remember.

I find this "its all BCCI's fault" a little too simplistic and ill-informed.
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like voicing the strongest opinions on removing test status.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cri...st-status.html

getting your team to play in a gap in schedule is much easier than making a policy decision. I find this fawning attitude towards countries who have really belittled BD cricket time and again irksome. check all anti-BD comments on test status from cricket officials, chances are 95% if not all are from ECB/CA.
as for BCCI, I am ok with deserving criticism (like not hosting BD) but I suppose voting on the test status counts for more ? but suppose you do know that ind had a packed schedule till 2007 WC decided from 1999-2000 ! in fact, BCCI faced severe criticism inside country when the dog tired players were asked to play against BD in the one off test at that time.
check the match schedule of ind at that time, anyone would feel sorry for those players.
BCCI hasn't done jack crap for Bangladesh - aiding us in gaining test status for their own benefit when we clearly weren't ready has got us absolutely no where if you haven't noticed. They need our support, and Bangladesh meekly stand down when the Indian board decides on something.

Yeah okay, we're a pretty pathetic team. But the BCCI has helped us become what we are by rushing our test status. They aided in getting us into this mess - it's their responsibility to aid in getting us out - by inviting us to a tour when scheduled. They can send a second string side if they don't want to risk tiring their 'precious' players.

But hey, this is the BCCI we're talking about. 'Narrow-minded mavericks' as described by Anand Vasu in this article:

http://content.cricinfo.com/banglade...ry/213255.html

What more can you expect?
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look, I agree somewhat with "for their own benefit" thing. but that's a really lame excuse to blame them for BD's subsequent performance.
but primary responsibility of BD cricket lies with BCB and then ICC, NOT any other cricket board.

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But the BCCI has helped us become what we are by rushing our test status. They aided in getting us into this mess - it's their responsibility to aid in getting us out - by inviting us to a tour when scheduled. They can send a second string side if they don't want to risk tiring their 'precious' players.
they can't send a 2nd string team, if it loses bcci offices will get burnt down all over the country.

but "blaming" them or anyone else for test status is not the way to go.

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added later : I didn't know about that tour postponement thing. (had a no-cricket year back then ) that was really a*** h***ic of them.

but my other argument stands, blaming others is not the solution.
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look, I agree somewhat with "for their own benefit" thing. but that's a really lame excuse to blame them for BD's subsequent performance.
but primary responsibility of BD cricket lies with BCB and then ICC, NOT any other cricket board.


they can't send a 2nd string team, if it loses bcci offices will get burnt down all over the country.

but "blaming" them or anyone else for test status is not the way to go.

"You can only improve when you look inwards and identify your mistakes.
Blaming others will never help you do that."

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I haven't blamed India solely on our failness on the cricket field. That's incredibly silly. You missed my whole point - India aided our struggles somewhat. Some responsibility should fall on them. But they're not the type to do anything unless they get something out of it. Your philosophical quote (which is an obvious fact by the way) wasn't required.
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