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Old October 25, 2008, 01:00 PM
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Shafin bhai, you have earned my respect. I salute you from my heart. Sometimes I want to say similar things like you, but refrain because I cannot organize my thoughts like you did and write them down. Allah bless you.

The DHOLAI against so called "progotishil, muktomona, sonskrtitir dharok-bahok buddhijibi' was the call of time and I am glad that you rose on the occasion and delivered it (just like Tamim Iqbal Khan on Match 17, 2007 against IND)
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Old October 25, 2008, 03:33 PM
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Well As someone already mentioned before, you should first visit Bangladesh for a month vacaion and check out the oppurtunities for yourself.

Shafin and "thebest" have made some valid points. I personally do not feel that Militancy is a big issue at the moment, but it remains a huge threat for future. The law of the land does not permit for any pre emptive arrest and hence there is nothing that one can really do against organizations like "hizbut tahrir- Bangladesh"(HTB). But can HTB pull off another "Bangla bhai"? I don know. Should this stop someone from settling back to Bangladesh? Definately not I guess...

Finally I have to differ on "shafin" on some of his points....
Firstly Government did not take instant action against "Bangla Bhai"....The then governement (BNP and Jammat) even said that JMB is just a media creation.

Agree that a lot of Madrassa student are open minded and Tarique Masud was himself a Madrassa student. I have had the chance to visit a few madrassas, I can confidently say that Shahjalal Madrassa in Sylhet is one of the best educational institute in Bangladesh that I have seen. But unfortunately the majority of the madrassas thus preach hatred against the west and weternized society. And at the end of the day it is the majority that counts.

The statue is not meant to offend the religious people. I am a muslim and it doesnt offend me. The statue was suppose to represent our proud folk culture. It wasnt a staue of a "Pig" as u make it sound like by drawing a parallelism with " a statue of a cow getting slauhtered". A vain attempt I would say. No one is worshipping the baul statue, our country is not united by religion but it is united by our bangladeshi identity. How is the statue a problem?

I am happy that u atleas condemn the agitation at the DU campus by madrassa student. There are ways to peacefully protest and get your voice heard. Even after your condemnation you have made a vain attempt to defend these religious bigots by drawing another parallel with the fights between the "Leagues" and the "Dal". They are all at fault here. Not to mention I for one do not expect the students of a peaceful religion like Islam to be involved in such kind of agitation. That signifies the violence that Madrassa teaches them.
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Old October 25, 2008, 04:47 PM
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It is an amazing song, that just might insire you to go back.....copy paste the link on the browser.

http://www.imeem.com/abdullahc/music...amadergaancom/
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Old October 26, 2008, 01:19 AM
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I just cam back from Dhaka. I have meet several of my friends who came back from germany/australia/england and they all are doing well. Most are engineers and working for grameen/bangla link. Grameen is not hiring at this moment but they do have a AGM post open in marketing/sales. Like you I am thinking seriously moving back after doing MS and working for last 7 years. Yeah I will not get 1/2 the salary i am getting but the joy i have seen in my daughters face I have not seen that when she was in desney land. Only thing is I will go back in few years not right now.
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Wish you all the best

However, (and sorry for asking something so personally), would it be possible that your daughter (dont know how old she is), felt happy as some sort of "vacation syndrome". Most kids I know love to go to Bangladesh........on vacation. Staying there might be a totally different ball game.

Also, a substantial number of Bangladesh immigrants do plan to return but they always mention "after a few years".

After seeing a number of people with children return, it seemed that it was twice as difficult to have a 12 year old adjust than a 6 year old. And thats precisely why the "few years" turns out to be 20+ for so many expats !

Sorry if I got too personal, but the whole issue is something I feel deeply about, having had to make decisions in the past 5 years, and also being sure of having to take similar decisions in the next 10 years...
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Old October 26, 2008, 09:02 AM
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Wish you all the best

However, (and sorry for asking something so personally), would it be possible that your daughter (dont know how old she is), felt happy as some sort of "vacation syndrome". Most kids I know love to go to Bangladesh........on vacation. Staying there might be a totally different ball game.

Also, a substantial number of Bangladesh immigrants do plan to return but they always mention "after a few years".

After seeing a number of people with children return, it seemed that it was twice as difficult to have a 12 year old adjust than a 6 year old. And thats precisely why the "few years" turns out to be 20+ for so many expats !

Sorry if I got too personal, but the whole issue is something I feel deeply about, having had to make decisions in the past 5 years, and also being sure of having to take similar decisions in the next 10 years...
u r absolutely right. and thats what i am trying to figure out. my daughter is 3. but we where also in vacation when we went to la and Disney but like I said the love she got from her cousin and fupus/khala she never gets it from anyone (including us) over here. So why are we depriving her from that... And few years that i am talking about is to figure out whether it was the vacation effect or not.Planning to visit home look for jobs etc in the mean time.

Also I am close to getting the PP. So i figured at least I should have that before i leave so that i have a backup!!! but again u r right. I am always saying i am going to go back but got used to usa for last 7 years but all emotions came back after my last/1st visit.

On the other hand my parents r very sick and old so that is going to be a deciding factor too. but saying something is easier than actually doing it specially when u have family...
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Old October 26, 2008, 12:17 PM
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I was eagerly following this thread. While talking to one of my friend who is a lecturer of BRAC Uni and also a top musician in BD, he told me the Private Unis. except NSU (where I worked for a semester) accept walk in resumes and offers well for someone with a foreign degree. But this trend is slowly fading out and the job market is getting more and more competitive as the number of degree holders surpassed the minimum requirements for a job. It has become very hard for IT Pros to nail a decent job as the competition is high and in many cases the company would be happy to pay less to squeeze more from an IT Pro graduated from BD.

The another big concern for ex-pats is the age factor. As I am way past my thirty, it would be hard for someone of my age to capture a decent Government job. Also they do not pay anywhere near a private farm will pay. The best bait would be to try the big companies like Beximco or Mobile service providers. For Business graduates the best destination is definitely the banking sector. Unless you have someone in the market who can help and support it can be a tough obnoxious experience for anyone too accustomed to Western life of abundant facilities.

In any case the possible shock from the shift to yourself and family specially the kids might put you on your toes.
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Old October 27, 2008, 05:00 AM
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2.Dhaka University: ... Madrassah system has means of graduating , the Kamil degree, for those who want to pursue a complete Madrassah education. It's only those who seek to change their system midway through the studies who take up Univarsity education. The person is moving away from Madrassah study, towards a more westernized one, and you are trying to deny him that.
While you recognize the necessity of 'the route' to university education for madrass student ... how come you not asking madrassa board to deliver required course for those students? Why an existing system have to lower the bar or standard to rescue those student while regular school students are taking those subjects to get a chance? Dont you think at first madrassa board should make their curriculum compatible to get a degree from university instead?

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... The departments that did this, they twisted the admission rules only to bar madrassah students. there is no other logical explanation. Is Bangla and English taught at Higher secondary level so much necessary for these departments? Any person who had studied the curricula should disagree. At A-level, most students study only 3 subjects, while we were subjected to 6. Did that make us more prepared? The Madrassah students didnt want to get free admission, they wanted a chance to show that they are worth.
No other logical explanation?? That means you got a dead conclusion already, hence no room for discussion. However if I borrow your logic, while we learn some subjects in HSC [for example] history, algebra, biology etc., definitely 'not so much' necessary for some of university degree / curriculum, especially in specialist field, or heck in our professional life or living life. Dose it allow us [or we should] not to learn those subjects in HSC? How will we be able to maintain educational standard with globe if we allow such move instead of solve the root cause [equivalent curriculum from madrassa board]?

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... Think about this situation, a village student who had to study in madrassah in lower levels, maybe forced, now wants to change his ways. Now that you'd deny him, he wont have a way to leave. This had been a case of secular bigots at their worst, trying to enforce their ways on everyone, purging everything that has the name of Islam attached to it.
This is rather a twisting way of see things or think [intentionally or not]. While some people prompt to see 'unfortunate' madrassa students being eliminated or not given chances, and 'This had been a case of secular bigots at their worst ... enforcing their ways on everyone', or a conspiracy against Islam 'everything that has the name attached to it' ... conveniently never recognize the the necessity of 'system', 'procedure', 'equivalent curriculum' or anything for that matter [in this case], but the 'power of numbers on the street'!.

In my opinion this outcry for madrassa students certainly has purpose other than just a 'chance', otherwise there would have smooth and easy way to settle ... the obvious one is 'equivalent curriculum from madrassa board'. And for the current bunch [madrassa student], university can take admission test including those subjects that they are suppose to know. Instead,, half of the 'Goru' from highest level says 'I wont play unless I am allowed to play I like' and other says 'we are about to play the game by book'. What a circus of 'political game' which both claim 'always doing good for nation'!

Rest of your points on [4. Applying for registration:], [6.Statue:], etc., also demand some comments from other perspective, but for lack of time ... perhaps I shall try some other time.

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Old November 11, 2008, 12:34 AM
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Ami koidin chilam na, er moiddhei shobai maramari lagaiya dilen? Bhaiyera, maramari koiren na... ami Dhaka gele shobai re jilapi khawamu.

I am worried about a lot of the things you guys mentioned in this thread. So I am probably gonna find out for myself pretty soon. Right now, I am looking at a trip to Bangladesh in a few months. I will try to have interviews lined up before I get there. If I like what I see there, I will try to stay. If things are bad like of some of you said, I might have to look into other options, such as migrating to another country whose immigration policy would allow me to bring my parents and my siblings with me or soon after I move there. Anyway, thank you all for your help. I might have to ask for more help the closer it gets to my departure, so I am hoping I'd get the same level of input I got already. Again, my sincere thanks to all of you.
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Old November 11, 2008, 04:26 AM
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Ami koidin chilam na, er moiddhei shobai maramari lagaiya dilen? Bhaiyera, maramari koiren na... ami Dhaka gele shobai re jilapi khawamu.
waiting for the jilapi.

You can't compare Dhaka in mid 90's and Dhaka in 08. So, I hope Dhaka will only improve in coming years.
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Old November 11, 2008, 07:52 PM
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Ami koidin chilam na, er moiddhei shobai maramari lagaiya dilen? Bhaiyera, maramari koiren na... ami Dhaka gele shobai re jilapi khawamu.

I am worried about a lot of the things you guys mentioned in this thread. So I am probably gonna find out for myself pretty soon. Right now, I am looking at a trip to Bangladesh in a few months. I will try to have interviews lined up before I get there. If I like what I see there, I will try to stay. If things are bad like of some of you said, I might have to look into other options, such as migrating to another country whose immigration policy would allow me to bring my parents and my siblings with me or soon after I move there. Anyway, thank you all for your help. I might have to ask for more help the closer it gets to my departure, so I am hoping I'd get the same level of input I got already. Again, my sincere thanks to all of you.
Thats probably the best thing to do. Go there and scope it out, see if you like it. Good luck though, and i hope you make the right decision for youself. For me, I'd probably never end up going there to live (visit for sure) as I find it too hectic, and its just too different for me (as someone who has lived most of his life outside of bangladesh).
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Old November 11, 2008, 11:47 PM
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waiting for the jilapi.

You can't compare Dhaka in mid 90's and Dhaka in 08. So, I hope Dhaka will only improve in coming years.
Ok, boss. Jilapi reserved for you.

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Thats probably the best thing to do. Go there and scope it out, see if you like it. Good luck though, and i hope you make the right decision for youself. For me, I'd probably never end up going there to live (visit for sure) as I find it too hectic, and its just too different for me (as someone who has lived most of his life outside of bangladesh).
I used to think along the same lines as you, but after not seeing my parents and my siblings even once in over five years, I think I finally gave in and now I'm looking for ways to be closer to them.
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Old November 12, 2008, 05:21 AM
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Dhurr Bhai,
I have just found this thread and read all the posts. I am also in same kind of position as you, but completely opposite though. I am in Bangladesh, Working in IT, in a leading Telecom Company. I am now thinking of going abroad to complete my masters and settle there, at least till long to get the passport for a back up!!!! Now, i am in a confusing state of which country to choose, which country will suit me and has easier immigration policies and good job market.

Whenever I am discussing about this to my relatives or friends, I come across to the following responses:
  • ya, right decision, you have to go abroad to have a better life and secure your future. yes, may be you are good now, but in Bangladesh you never know what will be your future. Get a good education there and enjoy a better life.
  • Why are you going abroad? you are doing a good job, you have future, why you have to go abroad? People who are doing well here need not to go abroad. Life in foreign countries is not as good as we hear from Bangladesh.

So, you see two very contrasting opinions.

After giving this whole scenario of staying abroad or in foreign countries, I have come a conclusion like this:

If you go to foreign countries from Bangladesh, all the positives of life you have here in BD will turn into negatives and all the negatives of here in BD will turn into positives. Also if you decide to come back to Bangladesh from foreign countries, all the positives you have in foreign soil will turn into negatives, and all the negatives will turn into positives. So, it is solely on the individual that which positive sides of life he/she desires in life. Based on this, the decision should be made.

Other members please have your opinions or comments on my point of view. You can suggest me about my situation also.

Dhurr Bhai, if you ask me to say what should you do, then my answer is, Do not come back now. As you are unmarried now, may be lots of things of life may seem easily adjustable here. But to maintain a family with responsibility with kids, is very very difficult here in BD. Also, some of the fellow members mentioned about the living cost here in BD. To add to that, I think 1 lakh taka is minimum in BD to maintain a good/healthy life with family and 1/2 kids. Don't think 1lac salary would be enough then. you have to earn 2 lac because to have a secure life, you have to save half of your income in BD. Because you are never sure what BD is going to show you tomorrow...anything can happen here.

If having life with family is the sole reason to come back, then bringing the parents, siblings to your place is a better option. Totally my personal point of view though.

To comment on all the concerns regarding BD, yes we have lots of problems here. But also yes, slowly but surely, we have made some progress. We are moving forward. But main problem lies on leadership. I don't know whether i can see our "Shonar Bangla" in my lifetime, yes i am frustrated a bit living here with nothing to do except "office-basha", still I love my country. We may show frustration towards the country, but that does not have relation to loving the country.
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