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Old November 4, 2008, 12:00 PM
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BANFAN,
you were wrong. attempts were made to make a Karachi team. But they fail to recruit enough Pakistani players. Please check Pak fans web site.
I would agree that calling Dhaka Cowards gadder uncalled for. But BCB did invest on them. So BCB has every right to do what ever way you like. BCB did not ban them playing cricket in Bangladesh; They just ban them in playing tournaments organized and approved by BCB. Many of you are doctor; But having an MBBS degree does not give you permission to practice every country of the world. You have to pass and fulfil the obligation of respective professional's association to practice in that country. In the same way, BCB is simply not recognizing their skill in playing cricket on any BCB approved tournament. I know Bangladesh Medical Association does not give permission of any doctor who passed from any USSR university and if I remember correctly even doctors who earned degree from Japanese school could not practice in Bangladesh. Did any doctor protest of this? I don't think so. Even some monthes ago one of Sk. Hasina's lawyer were refused permission by bar council to present her case. I remember there was little murmur but eventually every body agree with the decesion.
Regarding they were not getting enough money. Let me give an analogy from my personal life.By profession I am a public University Teacher. When I joined I knew there is little money by I accepted it. After the mush room growth of private universities some of my colleagues jumped to the other fence and some of them are engaged in part time job giving the reason I needed the money. I never teached in priavte university and hopefully never will. I have two arguments; first I knew from the beginning I would be in tight position financially; so why advent of private university would change the scenario and second private university is offering me not because of me but because of my affliation with the public university. Now take the scenario to Dhaka Cowards - they knew from the beginning if they can not top dog money would not be enough; ICL did not hire Aftab, HB or SN ; they hired player of Bangladesh team; I am still an HB fan but even in my wildest dream he is not a 20-20 player. BTW BCB with the exception of HB and Rafiq invested on each and every DC players. There rest of us differed as almost all cases the educational part is fully or partially financed by us; not some quasi-public organization. So did DC player repaid BCB the sum they invested on them with interest. I supported the ban because of political reason as it would potentiallly hinder Jamat's financing in election
Regarding the issue - I am all for free speech; And if you read my first post you would see I feel irritated the way government is trying to dictate my choice of watching channel. But free speech or freedom does not mean what ever and which ever I want to speak and do is permissible. I would urge fellow poster to read a short story by Bonoful name Shawdinota to understand what it mean.
Regarding popularity of DW - all is in the net. Very few actually watch it live and there is not an iota of protest that it has been banned to be telecast by Digonta. Most people even do not know about it.
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Old November 4, 2008, 12:11 PM
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Thanks thebest.... these things I wanted to write in my posts on this issue but my failure.
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Old November 5, 2008, 09:29 AM
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BANFAN,
you were wrong. attempts were made to make a Karachi team. But they fail to recruit enough Pakistani players. Please check Pak fans web site.
I would agree that calling Dhaka Cowards gadder uncalled for. But BCB did invest on them. So BCB has every right to do what ever way you like. BCB did not ban them playing cricket in Bangladesh; They just ban them in playing tournaments organized and approved by BCB. Many of you are doctor; But having an MBBS degree does not give you permission to practice every country of the world. You have to pass and fulfil the obligation of respective professional's association to practice in that country. In the same way, BCB is simply not recognizing their skill in playing cricket on any BCB approved tournament. I know Bangladesh Medical Association does not give permission of any doctor who passed from any USSR university and if I remember correctly even doctors who earned degree from Japanese school could not practice in Bangladesh. Did any doctor protest of this? I don't think so. Even some monthes ago one of Sk. Hasina's lawyer were refused permission by bar council to present her case. I remember there was little murmur but eventually every body agree with the decesion.
Thebest, instead of analyzing the situation you have situated the analysis. You got everything upside down.

Situation isn't that --- "India Has banned BD players to play in Indian Team, quiet different" If a medical student who has passed from DMC and completed all formalities he has the license to practice in BD. Even if he has gone to ME, EU or US for 20 years, he has it by default in BD. None can take it away.

But Unfortunately the medical example is quiet inappropriate as well. because it isn't mandatory for the cricketers to go through an acredited institute. If could be quiet natural ability. While a natural ability of a doctor is call Quack & never gets the license. One is entertainment & the other can endanger others life etc makes it uncomparable professions.

Do you know how much money government spends after a BUET student or a DU student? Why do they have the right to go abroad for Job? Even can you count the number of people went on Government scholarship abroad and didn't comeback after the study? Aren't these criminal act in comparison to playing ICL?

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Regarding they were not getting enough money. Let me give an analogy from my personal life.By profession I am a public University Teacher. When I joined I knew there is little money by I accepted it. After the mush room growth of private universities some of my colleagues jumped to the other fence and some of them are engaged in part time job giving the reason I needed the money. I never teached in priavte university and hopefully never will. I have two arguments; first I knew from the beginning I would be in tight position financially; so why advent of private university would change the scenario and second private university is offering me not because of me but because of my affliation with the public university. Now take the scenario to Dhaka Cowards - they knew from the beginning if they can not top dog money would not be enough; ICL did not hire Aftab, HB or SN ; they hired player of Bangladesh team; I am still an HB fan but even in my wildest dream he is not a 20-20 player. BTW BCB with the exception of HB and Rafiq invested on each and every DC players. There rest of us differed as almost all cases the educational part is fully or partially financed by us; not some quasi-public organization. So did DC player repaid BCB the sum they invested on them with interest. I supported the ban because of political reason as it would potentiallly hinder Jamat's financing in election
Regarding the issue - I am all for free speech; And if you read my first post you would see I feel irritated the way government is trying to dictate my choice of watching channel. But free speech or freedom does not mean what ever and which ever I want to speak and do is permissible. I would urge fellow poster to read a short story by Bonoful name Shawdinota to understand what it mean.
Regarding popularity of DW - all is in the net. Very few actually watch it live and there is not an iota of protest that it has been banned to be telecast by Digonta. Most people even do not know about it.
Again, you have used an example emotionaly & inappropriately. Have the BD government banned those lecturers who has joined the private university? NO. Even they didn't have to leave their job in the university, while the govt University students are suffering, did the UGC/MOE take any action against them? NO. You aren't taking the advantage, I salute you. But 100s of them are doing something which is not legal. I know that they take the cover of a visiting professor's clause, but what they are doing that's far beyond visiting. If I stay in your house for years, I am a not a visitor after the 3rd day. So what they are doing is illegal but no action.

On the other side the ICL players are playing cricket while they aren't on any government payroll. They are ready to play for the domestic teams and also national team if sellected. But they are being chased like a dog. I know and you also know that, BCB isn't doing it out of patriotism, but to satisfy BCCI, unless they have patriarchical links with them.

We all know what's the reason and don't need to argue to prove them unpatriotic or innocent. Time will disgrace & take care of the wrong side by default.
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Old November 5, 2008, 10:15 AM
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Banfan ;
we can go on and on. and I would not take that route; Just explain me the following;
1.BCB did not ban them playing cricket in Bangladesh; They just ban them in playing tournaments organized and approved by BCB. and what is wrong with that? We fan and government recognize BCB national team as the representative of Bangladesh. If ICL is so much in love of Bangladesh why not ICL create their own league in Bnagladesh and their own Bangladesh team. There is legal precendece in India where BCCI attested to supreme court that Team India is not representing India but BCCI's team of India. ICL could create their own Bangladesh team and we fan would choose the better side. It is the fan who would give recognition of the representative Bangladesh team; not BCCI, not BCB or ICL.
BTW How that analogy is wrong? If you did not pass from a BMA accrediated school you can not practice medicine in Bangladesh; if BCB did not recognize their skill (Doctors of Japanese is surely doctor, unfortunaley BMA do not recognize them) so they can not play in BCB accredited tournament
2. BCB with the exception of HB and Rafiq invested on each and every DC players. However in our case our education is fully or partially financed by us; not by some quasi-public organization. BTW both You and I know why UGC/MoE could not take action against the socalled faculties of public university. There was even news on TV and paper that one of the VC of public university was working full time in private universiy.
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Old November 5, 2008, 10:47 AM
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Anyone knows, if Stanford $20M and Hong Kong Super sixes are recognized by the ICC?
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Old November 5, 2008, 12:13 PM
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Banfan ;
we can go on and on. and I would not take that route; Just explain me the following;
1.BCB did not ban them playing cricket in Bangladesh; They just ban them in playing tournaments organized and approved by BCB. and what is wrong with that? We fan and government recognize BCB national team as the representative of Bangladesh. If ICL is so much in love of Bangladesh why not ICL create their own league in Bnagladesh and their own Bangladesh team. There is legal precendece in India where BCCI attested to supreme court that Team India is not representing India but BCCI's team of India. ICL could create their own Bangladesh team and we fan would choose the better side. It is the fan who would give recognition of the representative Bangladesh team; not BCCI, not BCB or ICL.
Just like someone can't create a BMA & banned by BMA means Banned in BD. Equally banned by BCB also implies banned in BD. Until there is a parallel created by someone. Yes, why don't NASA open a branch in BD if they want BD employees? Why don't Intel open one?

Fans have the right but they really don't have that scope. Has BCB asked anyone before banning them?

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BTW How that analogy is wrong? If you did not pass from a BMA accrediated school you can not practice medicine in Bangladesh; if BCB did not recognize their skill (Doctors of Japanese is surely doctor, unfortunaley BMA do not recognize them) so they can not play in BCB accredated school.
Is there any system of getting trained in a BCB acredited instution? That's where it is different from a doc. A cricketer can be picked from the street and taken in the team if he is tallented. Imagine a cold blooded ROG KATA shibir cadre being picked by BMA as a surgeon for his skill & tallent !!

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2. BCB with the exception of HB and Rafiq invested on each and every DC players. However in our case our education is fully or partially financed by us; not by some quasi-public organization. BTW both You and I why UGC/MoE could not take action againest the socalled faculties of public university. There was even news on TV and paper that one of the VC of public university was working full time in private universiy.
My friend, the money one pays in BUET/DU/DMC is a peanut in comparison to the expenses. It is just to give you a sense of participation only. Compare your tutions with a private university of same standard. Think of a cricketer how much he has to spend untill he gets noticed & taken into a payment system/training. Does a cricketer get all the money he needs to make himself a cricketer? It is only the national team who gets money on a regular basis, what about others?

Education gives you an assured career untill you retire at the age of 57 & for some profession it's until you die. What's the career span of a cricketer? He is giving his life in it & needs to earn as well to secure his life. When there is an opportunity why shouldn't he take it? He is still available for the national service but alas an educated person who goes abroad for earning money isn't even available for the national services.

Well, we can keep going possibly, let the time decide what will happen with them. Currently as a fan I enjoy watching cricket, so I watch them. I have no business calling them traitors as you also say that BCB doesn't decide on behalf of the nation. It is a private body & many others might comeup in course of time if that is an absolute necessity, be it ICL or BCL. if BCB doesn't change it's policies, alternatives are bound to come up. Rome wasn't built in a day, Lets wait for that time.
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Anyone knows, if Stanford $20M and Hong Kong Super sixes are recognized by the ICC?
Yes, both are recognized by ICC
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you have to give it to our think tank. what was the reason for doing this?
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Just like someone can't create a BMA & banned by BMA means Banned in BD. Equally banned by BCB also implies banned in BD. Until there is a parallel created by someone. Yes, why don't NASA open a branch in BD if they want BD employees? Why don't Intel open one?

Fans have the right but they really don't have that scope. Has BCB asked anyone before banning them?



Is there any system of getting trained in a BCB acredited instution? That's where it is different from a doc. A cricketer can be picked from the street and taken in the team if he is tallented. Imagine a cold blooded ROG KATA shibir cadre being picked by BMA as a surgeon for his skill & tallent !!



My friend, the money one pays in BUET/DU/DMC is a peanut in comparison to the expenses. It is just to give you a sense of participation only. Compare your tutions with a private university of same standard. Think of a cricketer how much he has to spend untill he gets noticed & taken into a payment system/training. Does a cricketer get all the money he needs to make himself a cricketer? It is only the national team who gets money on a regular basis, what about others?

Education gives you an assured career untill you retire at the age of 57 & for some profession it's until you die. What's the career span of a cricketer? He is giving his life in it & needs to earn as well to secure his life. When there is an opportunity why shouldn't he take it? He is still available for the national service but alas an educated person who goes abroad for earning money isn't even available for the national services.

Well, we can keep going possibly, let the time decide what will happen with them. Currently as a fan I enjoy watching cricket, so I watch them. I have no business calling them traitors as you also say that BCB doesn't decide on behalf of the nation. It is a private body & many others might comeup in course of time if that is an absolute necessity, be it ICL or BCL. if BCB doesn't change it's policies, alternatives are bound to come up. Rome wasn't built in a day, Lets wait for that time.

Very well argued BANFAN, you make some valid points.

Although I can understand the resentment being felt by people against the players for leaving, supporting or joining in a witch hunt against them is not going to benefit anyone.

We all need to unite and find a way to bring some of those players back in the international fold to provide some back bone to our national team.

I really believe that playing in the ICL has given these players a real belief that they are not inferior to anyone else and they CAN win.

That is why their batting has been a revelation. OK, some people will point out the Lahore Badshah match, but yes, they did lose badly, but that is because they went in to this match with the huge pressure of expectation to WIN and that is something they are not used to , but will get used to in time.
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