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View Poll Results: 3rd ODI will be very spicy between Bangladesh VS South Africa
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Old November 11, 2008, 01:05 AM
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Default Smith VS Bangladesh & Dale VS Tamim

i really really want to see 3rd ODI. i want to see how Bangladesh react to it
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Old November 11, 2008, 01:12 AM
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i am sure tamim will kick dale's butt on 3rd ODI
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Old November 11, 2008, 04:20 AM
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I guess, it will be a one-sided affair, though I wish Ashraful and Co. prove me wrong.
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Old November 11, 2008, 04:27 AM
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Cricket's a sport - not some bloody circus. The players should just learn to shut up and play cricket. That goes for all teams, as well as fans.
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Old November 11, 2008, 06:50 AM
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It should be good, a very well scenario for bangladesh to come back
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Old November 11, 2008, 07:39 AM
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I think that these kind of rude comments can force us to do better like what happened after
Austr series,the comments etc & ICL, after that we did well against Kiwis.
But anyway i dont want Tigers to improve by the help of these sort of comments & I would rather like to see themselves improving in a natural way.
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Old November 11, 2008, 08:35 AM
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if itz commentz that wolud hav awaken de tigers then onak agai dey would hav woke up.....
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Old November 11, 2008, 08:49 AM
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we will win if we bat first ... our batsmen are carefree and impulsive ... so they bat with confidence ... when batting first atleast
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"এ কথা ওদের কে বোঝাবে?''

ইস্ট লন্ডন, ১১ নভেম্বর (বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকম)- একটু পরেই ইস্ট লন্ডনের ফ্লাইট। তার আগে জোহানেসবার্গের অলিভার ট্যাম্বো ইন্টারন্যাশনাল এয়ারপোর্টের ডিপারচার লাউঞ্জে বাংলাদেশের সাংবাদিকদের প্রশ্নে প্রশ্নে ব্যতিব্যস্ত করে তুললেন গ্রায়েম স্মিথ। বেনোনীতে দ্বিতীয় ওয়ানডেতে বাংলাদেশ যেমন খেলেছে, সেটিকে 'ক্রিকেটের জন্য খারাপ' বলে উল্লেখ করেছিলেন। এরপর জেমি সিডন্স ও তামিম ইকবালের তীব্র প্রতিক্রিয়ার কথাও জেনেছেন। জেনেই সোমবার সকালে এয়ারপোর্টে বাংলাদেশের সাংবাদিকদের পেয়ে প্রশ্নে প্রশ্নে প্রোটিয়া অধিনায়ক তার বক্তব্যের যৌক্তিকতা প্রমাণের চেষ্টা করলেন।

"আমি বাংলাদেশকে কিছুতেই ছোট করতে চাইনি"- বলেই প্রশ্নে চলে গেলেন স্মিথ। "বাংলাদেশ কী আমাদের হারায়নি? ওরা কী অস্ট্রেলিয়াকেও হারায়নি?" মাথা নেড়ে সায় দেওয়ার পরই আবার চলতে শুরু করলো তার কথার চাকা, "তাহলে কেন ওরা চেষ্টা করলো না। বুঝলাম যে ৩৫৮ রান তাড়া করে হয়তো জেতা সম্ভব ছিল না। তাই বলে চেষ্টা করে দেখতে তো কোনো সমস্যা ছিল না।"

কিন্তু মোহাম্মদ আশরাফুল যে স্মিথের বাংলাদেশের খেলার ধরন নিয়ে কথা বলাকেই সমস্যা বলে মনে করছেন। প্রোটিয়াদের একটু পরেই এয়ারপোর্টে এসে তিনিও ফিরিয়ে দিলেন কিছুটা, "স্মিথ তার নিজের দল নিয়ে ভাবলেই ভালো। আমাদের নিয়ে না ভাবলেও তাদের চলবে। আমরা কেমন খেলবো না খেলবো সেটা আমাদের ব্যাপার। আমাদের নিজস্ব লক্ষ্য আছে। আমরা জানি কীভাবে সেই লক্ষ্যে পৌছাতে হয়। কই, তারা যে কিছুদিন আগে ইংল্যান্ডে গিয়ে ৪-০ তে হেরে এসেছে, আমরা তো এসব নিয়ে কোনো কথাই বলিনি।"

স্মিথ অবশ্য পেছনে ফিরে যাননি। শুধু বেনোনীর দ্বিতীয় ম্যাচটা নিয়েই কথা বলেছেন। যেখানে ২৫ ওভারের পর বাংলাদেশের হাল ছেড়ে দেওয়াকে মোটেও ভালো চোখে দেখেননি তিনি। অভিজ্ঞতার অভাবও বাংলাদেশ দলে আছে বলে তিনি মনে করেন না। একারণেই আবারো তার প্রশ্ন, "আশরাফুল কয়টা ওয়ানডে খেলেছে?" - ''১৩৩ টা'' বলার পরেই স্মিথ নিজেকেও খুব একটা এগিয়ে রাখলেন না, "আমি খেলেছি ১৪০টা ওয়ানডে। সুতরাং আমার আর ওর মধ্যে তেমন একটা পার্থক্য নেই। আমি, কালিস (জ্যাক) ও বাউচারকে (মার্ক) বাদ দিলে আমাদের দলে খুব বেশি অভিজ্ঞ খেলোয়াড়ও নেই। আমাকে বলতে পারেন রাজ্জাক, তামিম ও সাকিবুল কয়টা করে ম্যাচ খেলেছে? আমি তো বলবো বাংলাদেশ আমাদের চেয়েও অভিজ্ঞ দল। তাহলে কেন ওরা এভাবে খেলবে?"

আশরাফুলের কাছে এই প্রশ্নেরও জবাব আছে, "ওরা তো ভালো করেই জানে আমাদের মধ্যে কারা কারা মেরে খেলতে পারে। তামিম ও আমি আউট হয়ে যাওয়ার পর ওভাবে মেরে খেলার যে আর কেউ ছিল না, এটা কী ওরা জানে না।" পাল্টা একটা প্রশ্নও করেছেন বাংলাদেশ অধিনায়ক, "তারপরও আমরা যদি মেরে খেলে ৩০ ওভারের মধ্যে আউট হয়ে যেতাম, তাহলে কী সেটা ক্রিকেটের জন্য খুব ভালো হত?" আশরাফুল জানালেন ২০ ওভারের মধ্যেই তামিম এবং তিনি আউট হয়ে যাওয়ার পর বাংলাদেশ যেভাবে খেলেছে তার মধ্যেও নিজেদের জন্য আছে দারুণ শিক্ষণীয় এক অভিজ্ঞতা, "আমাদের সামনে লম্বা সিরিজ পড়ে আছে। এই অবস্থায় আমরা ৩০ ওভারের মধ্যে অলআউট হয়ে গেলে তো আর স্টেইন ও মরকেলকে ১০ ওভার করে খেলা হত না। মরকেল ১০ ওভারে ৬১ রান দিয়েছে, আর স্টেইনও পঞ্চাশের কাছাকাছি (৯ ওভারে ৪৮)। ম্যাচ কন্ডিশনে ওদের এতোগুলো বল খেলার অভিজ্ঞতা তো আমাদের ব্যাটসম্যানদের হয়েছে। একথা ওদের কে বোঝাবে?"

আশরাফুলের প্রশ্নটাই স্মিথকে গিয়ে করতে পারলে হত!
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তাই তো কে বুঝাবে? বড়ই চিন্তার কথা। আমরা বাঘ মামাকে পাঠায় একটা ট্রাই দিতে পারি।
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Old November 11, 2008, 01:42 PM
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i cant waite to see the 3rd ODI
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well we shut vettori up last series..it's time to put smith bak into his place...our players n fans shud be well used to the phrase "suck it up n deal with it" by now...
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heck yea man........ daym i got school tomorrow shoot, lets see if bd bats first then i might see a little and will understand howz that game gonna be lol hope they do shut dale up at least
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tamim is hit or miss. he plays too many shots too early, doesn't look for singles and doubles. so he would probably hit couple of boundaries before he gets out and smith is too good for our bowling attack minus mashrafee
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tamim is one of the BD players who has the ability to actually play sensible cricket whilst scoring runs at a good rate but he prefers to go for the boundary shot over the 1's and 2's and that's usually his demise. he also goes for a lot of rash shots, he has the ability to hit boundaries playing safer shots but he gets a rush of blood to his head and does it one too many times and gets out. have to say i was quite impressed with some of naeem's shots in the 2nd ODI.

as for the bowling attack, the sooner players like sajidul, subashis and rubel hossain develop the better things will be.
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I think , out of the ground is very hot now. So on ground I need this heat to raise. I need war.
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স্মিথ তো দেখি একটা একটা করে নাম ধরে আমাদের খেলোয়াড়দের ঝারি দিল। এত গালি খাওয়ার পরও যদি এসব ছেলেপেলের লজ্জ্বা সরম না হয়, তাহলে কি আর করা।

স্মিথ যা করেছে ভালই করেছে। মাঝে মাঝে আমাদের খেলোয়াড়দের এভাবে উলংগ করাটা খুবই প্রয়োজন।
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since world cup 2007 tamim has change his batting approch and try to calm himself and learn a lot.........if he continues his hard work he will become a huge and one of the talented player in the world cricket, which will be really good for bd..go tamim.......ur only 19......
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since world cup 2007 tamim has change his batting approch and try to calm himself and learn a lot.........if he continues his hard work he will become a huge and one of the talented player in the world cricket, which will be really good for bd..go tamim.......ur only 19......
yea.. he's gonna be huge for bangladesh.. and he's got all the time in the world..
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I vote for "#5: The game will get washed out".
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tamim is one of the BD players who has the ability to actually play sensible cricket whilst scoring runs at a good rate but he prefers to go for the boundary shot over the 1's and 2's and that's usually his demise. he also goes for a lot of rash shots, he has the ability to hit boundaries playing safer shots but he gets a rush of blood to his head and does it one too many times and gets out. have to say i was quite impressed with some of naeem's shots in the 2nd ODI.

as for the bowling attack, the sooner players like sajidul, subashis and rubel hossain develop the better things will be.
i fail to see how tamim is any different from the rest of top order.

ash, raqib, and guys who've departed like aftab and alok can all play shots and score a decent rate, even against top rate bowlers. they just get out to stupid shots, or in the rare event that they actually don't do that, the umpire gives them out caught behind after a thick edge off the leg guard.

tamim was quite impressive in breaking that mould to a fair extent but since the AUS series, he hasn't hit a single 50. i hope he rectifies that in the test series next week.
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i fail to see how tamim is any different from the rest of top order.

ash, raqib, and guys who've departed like aftab and alok can all play shots and score a decent rate, even against top rate bowlers. they just get out to stupid shots, or in the rare event that they actually don't do that, the umpire gives them out caught behind after a thick edge off the leg guard.

tamim was quite impressive in breaking that mould to a fair extent but since the AUS series, he hasn't hit a single 50. i hope he rectifies that in the test series next week.
i didn't say he was different to the players you mentioned (at least not from the way you describe them), all of the players you mentioned have the ability to play shots but also get 1s and 2s and do it at a decent rate, it's their mentality that brings them down. however i think tamim more often plays safer shots, players like ashraful and aftab no matter how well they hit the ball most of the time play a risky shot, tamim plays a few more sensible shots imo (though he still plays some terrible ones). but the 1s and 2s is something tamim has the ability to do better than a few others, a lot of BD players struggle to hit 1s and 2s, i think the reason tamim doesn't get them often isn't because it's hard for him it's because he's looking for the boundary too often.
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i didn't say he was different to the players you mentioned (at least not from the way you describe them), all of the players you mentioned have the ability to play shots but also get 1s and 2s and do it at a decent rate, it's their mentality that brings them down. however i think tamim more often plays safer shots, players like ashraful and aftab no matter how well they hit the ball most of the time play a risky shot, tamim plays a few more sensible shots imo (though he still plays some terrible ones). but the 1s and 2s is something tamim has the ability to do better than a few others, a lot of BD players struggle to hit 1s and 2s, i think the reason tamim doesn't get them often isn't because it's hard for him it's because he's looking for the boundary too often.
this is true, although players like ash and sakib i think (along with raqib) are quite adept at scoring without using boundaries.

in fact, well before you joined BC, i had done a bit of research...the research needs to updated, btw...i tried to figure out which of our players can score most freely without relying on 4s or 6s.

aftab was the worst, and ash and alok were the best. with alok taking top honors by quite a long shot.

currently, i would say sakib and raqib are also quite good, with perhas sakib being the best.

here is my post with the research done way back in february 2007:

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its been a long time (if ever) we have had a solid pair of batsman who could rotate the strike with singles (and 2s and 3s) in the middle overs with the field spread out. boundaries run dry even for the best of batsman. our batsman would never really play correctly.

but now we have a #4 and a #6 who are perhaps the best batsman at rotating the strike and taking those singles when boundaries are all but covered. saqib and ashraful seem to do that job well.

from this 1st ODI against zimbabwe lets look at the stats.

saqib scores 68 runs at a SR of over 90, ash 22 @ over 80. saqib hits 6 boundaries totaling 24 runs, ash a singular 4.

saqib scored just 35% of his runs from boundaries.

ash scored 18%.

of course, alok kapali was another stalwart in this regard, but he's not in the squad and most people don't want to see him.

looking at our current batsman lets see who scores how many runs from boundaries:

S Nafees: 1321 ODI runs, 169 fours, 3 sixes = 52.5% reliance on boundaries (BR)
Javed Omar: 1166 runs, 125 fours, 3 sixes = 44.4% reliance
Rajin Saleh: 1005 runs, 94 fours, 3 sixes = 39.2% reliance
Aftab Ahmed: 1257 runs, 135 fours, 36 sixes = 60.1% reliance
Ashraful: 1529 runs, 157 fours, 18 sixes = 48.1% reliance
Bashar: stats unavailable
Saqib: 429 runs, 43 fours, 0 sixes = 40.1% reliance
Alok Kapali: 964 runs, 76 fours, 4 sixes = 34.0% reliance
Rana: 331 runs, 21 fours, 1 six = 27.2% reliance

now that we have the percentage of each player's total runs which are from boundaries (both 4s and 6s), we can calculate their "singles strike rate" (SSR) which is the number of runs scored via 1s, 2s, and 3s out of 100 (like a total SR minus the boundaries).
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sample calculation:

say batsman X has scored 3000 ODI runs in his career, with 250 4s, and 15 6s and a SR of 75.00
% BR = (250*4 + 15*6)/3000 = 36.3% BR (boundary reliance)

36.3% BR * 75 SR = 27.2 runs via boundaries per 100 balls faced

75 - 27.2 = 47.8 runs via singles (1s, 2s, and 3s) = 47.80 SSR (singles strike rate)

the SSR is the number of singles per 100 deliveries that the said batsman will score on average. its a SR which is only concerned with singles and not 4s or 6s.
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final analysis

Javed: BR = 44.4%, SR = 52.21 ---> SSR = 29.03
S Nafees: BR = 52.5%, SR = 69.45 ---> SSR = 32.99

SN has played exclusively as an opener and thus his stats are relatively meaningless. given 9 fielders in proximity, singles will be hard to come by, as most well hit balls will go for 4 or 6. same with javed, tho bear in mind javed has played at least a couple of innings in the middle order.

Rajin: BR = 39.2%, SR = 54.82 ---> SSR = 33.33
Rana: BR = 27.2%, SR = 49.55 ---> SSR = 36.07

these two have spent most of their innings in the middle order, which is why rajin saleh (now an opener) has more meaningful stats than nafees and omar.

Aftab: BR = 60.1%, SR = 85.22 ---> SSR = 34.00
Ashraful: BR = 48.1%, SR = 71.01 ---> SSR = 36.85
Saqib: BR = 40.1%, SR = 70.55 ---> SSR = 42.26
Alok: BR = 34.0%, SR = 65.66 ---> SSR = 43.34

mean SSR = 35.98
median SSR = 35.04
standard deviation = 4.82
n (sample size) = 8
range = 14.31

Conclusion

***interestingly, the variability in SSR is smaller than that in regular SR. the range in SR is almost 36 compared to in SSR of only 14.31

as we all guessed, javed has a very tough time picking up singles. coupled with his low SR, he's a huge liability, which is why even when he plays a long innings, bangladesh won't set up a big total.

Nafees' SRR is quite better, but its still lower than the average. this doesn't affect us much since he spends most of his time batting during fielding restrictions. also, when he does play a long innings, his SR picks up considerably. think about it, SN often starts with Javed's pace, but has a career SR of almost 70 compared to Javed's 52.

rajin has a much better SSR than javed but an almost identical SR, indicating rajin is better suited in the middle order, and not opening. at least relative to JO.

rana has a significant SSR, and most will agree its a shame he didn't get that many chances, although now he wouldn't fit in XI.

aftab surprised me a little, his SSR is not bad, just 1 under the mean even though he is overly dependent on boundaries. the reason is because he scores so fluently, his singles rate is higher than some others. this indicates that if aftab sticks his butt to the crease, big scores are not far away.

ash didn't surprise. BC members have long stated that he can rotate the strike better than anyone else. true his stats show he does. he just has to stay at the wicket more.

saqib and alok led the charge, with alok taking top honors. this is good news for saqib of course. now spitfire was the first person who informed me that alok was good at rotating strike in the middle overs. i vehemntly disagreed, and was cogently proven wrong by him several weeks ago ( i wonder if spitty remembers...). anyways, i figure if tushar is given a go, then certainly alok deserves a few more chances. maybe all that talk about him being talented is true...
original thread: http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...es+strike+rate
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