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Old December 30, 2008, 08:38 PM
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BDFlag Consequences of a good (unsuccessful) run-chase

An important stepping stone for our test cricket might be set today.Let's be realistic- our chances of winning the 1st test are slim. However, thanks to a daring start to the run-chase, led by our captain Ashraful, we still are in the hunt for a good shot at the world record chase. Even if we fall short by a hundred runs today, and score 410,say,it would still mean teams in future would have to be very careful when they declare against us. They would consider the fact that we have the capability to chase down 400+ totals. Thus teams would be pressured to declare with a 450+ lead, meaning in future, we'd be able to force a draw more often than we do now. If we get a decent total in first innings, say 300, it would often mean the match is heading for a draw if we bowl decently. Even better, if the total today reaches 450, it would mean no team's safe b4 a 475+ lead against us in home soil. In order to get big leads teams will try to bat faster, thus opening up the game for us.

450-460 is not impossble.we have to get under 200 runs to reach that. For that, Ash and Sakib have to get only 120 runs or so. Mushfiq only has to get 70 if that does not happen.It's a good chance. Now think about its consequences. I would have loved us to play the Aussies in Bangladesh right now. I don't think they'd declare with a target less than 500, after the last week. Seriously!

Too bad we are not scheduled for that many tests in near future.
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Old December 30, 2008, 09:04 PM
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That is a very interesting way to look at a possible outcome of today's results. Let us just be realistic - we may be hoping against all hope but I just don't think a win is on the cards today. Granted - if it happens, I will be doing a jig in public in San Diego but.... However, if we do survive for most parts and keep accumulating runs, Nahaj's conclusion is very valid.
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Old December 30, 2008, 09:25 PM
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we won't win.

but i would like to cut their deficit under 200 runs for sure. that means we need a total of around 320. perfectly achievable. but a total of more than 350 is highly unlikely.

ash needs to get a 100, sakib and mushy need to support him both need to score 50s cuz our last 4 will fold within an over or two.

the biggest thing we gain (big if), is confidence and the know how of "how to bat in Test cricket".
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Old December 30, 2008, 09:40 PM
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in one hand (which is more than likely) we will be out in the first hour of the game. On the other hand (hopeless hope), we will go all the way and win the match. I dont see any middle ground here.

Either way, I like your thought tho. Good thinking...
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Old December 30, 2008, 09:40 PM
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very well put nahaz bhai, i am totally in agree with you! Allah Malik!
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Old December 30, 2008, 09:40 PM
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If Ash and Sakib can put up a partnership of 150 more runs,then if one of them falls we have Mushfiq and if he and the remaining batter can score atleast 150 more runs,we can win inshalla.
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Old December 30, 2008, 09:41 PM
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We made it to 5th day. That is one goal accomplished. A win is highly unlikely, unless ash wants to be extra nice on his eid. However, if we can get within 150 runs, I'd say it was a good match for us.

If we reach within 100, then great match.
Within 50, amazing match.
A win - historic.
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Old December 30, 2008, 09:48 PM
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Once you get past 301 you will start climbing up the ladder of the highest 4th innings total of all time. If you get within 100 runs of the total as someone above is hoping it would the 7th highest 5th innings total of all time.



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Highest fourth innings totals

Team Score Overs RR Result Opposition Ground Match Date Scorecard
England 654/5 218.2x8 2.24 draw v South Africa Durban 3 Mar 1939 Test # 271
New Zealand 451 93.3 4.82 lost v England Christchurch 13 Mar 2002 Test # 1594
India 4 45 141.4x8 2.35 lost v Australia Adelaide 28 Jan 1978 Test # 816
New Zealand 440 188.1 2.33 lost v England Nottingham 7 Jun 1973 Test # 722
New Zealand 431 118.5 3.62 lost v England Napier 22 Mar 2008 Test # 1868
India 429/8 150.5 2.84 draw v England The Oval 30 Aug 1979 Test # 854
South Africa 423/7 141.0 3.00 draw v England The Oval 16 Aug 1947 Test # 289
West Indies 418/7 128.5 3.24 won v Australia St John's 9 May 2003 Test # 1645
England 417 112.4x8 2.78 lost v Australia Melbourne 12 Mar 1977 Test # 800
South Africa 414/4 119.2 3.46 won v Australia Perth 17 Dec 2008 Test # 1899
England 411 96.7x8 3.18 lost v Australia Sydney 19 Dec 1924 Test # 158
Sri Lanka 410 104.3 3.92 lost v Australia Hobart 16 Nov 2007 Test # 1847
West Indies 408/5 164.3 2.48 draw v England Kingston 3 Apr 1930 Test # 193
India 406/4 147.0 2.76 won v West Indies Port of Spain 7 Apr 1976 Test # 775
Australia 404/3 114.1 3.53 won v England Leeds 22 Jul 1948 Test # 302
Australia 402 135.5 2.95 lost v England Manchester 13 Aug 1981 Test # 907
India 397 109.4 3.62 lost v England Lord's 25 Jul 2002 Test # 1610
West Indies 394 132.5 2.96 lost v England Manchester 7 Jun 2007 Test # 1835
India 387/4 98.3 3.92 won v England Chennai 11 Dec 2008 Test # 1898
West Indies 387 105.4 3.66 lost v Australia Bridgetown 12 Jun 2008 Test # 1879
Australia 381/7 110.0 3.46 draw v New Zealand Perth 30 Nov 2001 Test # 1573
India 376 145.1 2.59 lost v England Manchester 23 Jul 1959 Test # 477
Australia 371/9 108.0 3.43 draw v England Manchester 11 Aug 2005 Test # 1760
England 370 100.1 3.69 lost v Australia Brisbane 23 Nov 2006 Test # 1817
England 370 106.2 3.47 lost v Australia Adelaide 14 Jan 1921 Test # 137
England 369/6 110.0 3.35 draw v India The Oval 9 Aug 2007 Test # 1842
Australia 369/6 113.5 3.24 won v Pakistan Hobart 18 Nov 1999 Test # 1469
India 364/6 131.0 2.77 draw v Pakistan Delhi 4 Dec 1979 Test # 863
England 363 111.2x8 2.44 lost v Australia Adelaide 16 Jan 1925 Test # 160


Thats the top 30 scores
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Hmm... a serious against Aussie sounds to me very competitive.
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Old December 30, 2008, 09:52 PM
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Once you get past 301 you will start climbing up the ladder of the highest 4th innings total of all time. If you get within 100 runs of the total as someone above is hoping it would the 7th highest 5th innings total of all time.



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Highest fourth innings totals

Team Score Overs RR Result Opposition Ground Match Date Scorecard
England 654/5 218.2x8 2.24 draw v South Africa Durban 3 Mar 1939 Test # 271
New Zealand 451 93.3 4.82 lost v England Christchurch 13 Mar 2002 Test # 1594
India 445 141.4x8 2.35 lost v Australia Adelaide 28 Jan 1978 Test # 816
New Zealand 440 188.1 2.33 lost v England Nottingham 7 Jun 1973 Test # 722
New Zealand 431 118.5 3.62 lost v England Napier 22 Mar 2008 Test # 1868
India 429/8 150.5 2.84 draw v England The Oval 30 Aug 1979 Test # 854
South Africa 423/7 141.0 3.00 draw v England The Oval 16 Aug 1947 Test # 289
West Indies 418/7 128.5 3.24 won v Australia St John's 9 May 2003 Test # 1645
England 417 112.4x8 2.78 lost v Australia Melbourne 12 Mar 1977 Test # 800
South Africa 414/4 119.2 3.46 won v Australia Perth 17 Dec 2008 Test # 1899
England 411 96.7x8 3.18 lost v Australia Sydney 19 Dec 1924 Test # 158
Sri Lanka 410 104.3 3.92 lost v Australia Hobart 16 Nov 2007 Test # 1847
West Indies 408/5 164.3 2.48 draw v England Kingston 3 Apr 1930 Test # 193
India 406/4 147.0 2.76 won v West Indies Port of Spain 7 Apr 1976 Test # 775
Australia 404/3 114.1 3.53 won v England Leeds 22 Jul 1948 Test # 302
Australia 402 135.5 2.95 lost v England Manchester 13 Aug 1981 Test # 907
India 397 109.4 3.62 lost v England Lord's 25 Jul 2002 Test # 1610
West Indies 394 132.5 2.96 lost v England Manchester 7 Jun 2007 Test # 1835
India 387/4 98.3 3.92 won v England Chennai 11 Dec 2008 Test # 1898
West Indies 387 105.4 3.66 lost v Australia Bridgetown 12 Jun 2008 Test # 1879
Australia 381/7 110.0 3.46 draw v New Zealand Perth 30 Nov 2001 Test # 1573
India 376 145.1 2.59 lost v England Manchester 23 Jul 1959 Test # 477
Australia 371/9 108.0 3.43 draw v England Manchester 11 Aug 2005 Test # 1760
England 370 100.1 3.69 lost v Australia Brisbane 23 Nov 2006 Test # 1817
England 370 106.2 3.47 lost v Australia Adelaide 14 Jan 1921 Test # 137
England 369/6 110.0 3.35 draw v India The Oval 9 Aug 2007 Test # 1842
Australia 369/6 113.5 3.24 won v Pakistan Hobart 18 Nov 1999 Test # 1469
India 364/6 131.0 2.77 draw v Pakistan Delhi 4 Dec 1979 Test # 863
England 363 111.2x8 2.44 lost v Australia Adelaide 16 Jan 1925 Test # 160
The highest successful chase was 418, so if we win (pray!) we'll have a record for highest successful.

At this time, I'm just hoping we dunt collapse and end it before lunch.

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Old December 30, 2008, 09:53 PM
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Highest chase was 418
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Old December 30, 2008, 10:03 PM
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Thnx Zunaed bhai for the support.. As NzFan pointed out with the valuable stats, any defeat in double figures puts us well inside the top 10 4th innings totals of all time. All we have to do is be sensible, whilst being positive, and another 170 can be achieved. Important thing is not to lose any wickets in the first 10 overs and take it one ball at a time. Who thinks we can do it?

NzFan, interesting to see 3 of the top 5 scores are by NZ. Can u figure out how they scored so many runs in those times, yet would choke for much smaller targets in other times?
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Old December 30, 2008, 10:07 PM
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the 451 was when Nathan astle went bezerk scoring the fastest double century of all time, I was lucky to be at that match
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Old December 30, 2008, 11:19 PM
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Oh ya I remember reading about his knock. Was the only cricket-related memory from that year for me. U are one lucky guy to witness that.

Guys, We're on track to cross 400..if this pair can stay for 50 more runs. I'm hoping they'd do a lot more.
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Old December 31, 2008, 02:36 AM
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Was the 413 enough to overcome whatever mental blcok our batsmen have or is it just going to be another of those EID performances? We will get some hints in Chatga. Fingers crossed.
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The track in Chittagong should be a lot better to bat on. We're going to have to bowl our hearts out if we're going to be competitive. That means dropping a batsman and playing an extra bowler. There have been too many periods in this test match where we looked helpless due to the lack of options.
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Old December 31, 2008, 02:43 AM
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I think it'd definitely help lift the block for most. Watch how the Lankans hesitate the next match if we set 300+ in the first innings. They might not declare till halfway into 4th day.
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An important stepping stone for our test cricket might be set today.Let's be realistic- our chances of winning the 1st test are slim. However, thanks to a daring start to the run-chase, led by our captain Ashraful, we still are in the hunt for a good shot at the world record chase. Even if we fall short by a hundred runs today, and score 410,say,it would still mean teams in future would have to be very careful when they declare against us. They would consider the fact that we have the capability to chase down 400+ totals. Thus teams would be pressured to declare with a 450+ lead, meaning in future, we'd be able to force a draw more often than we do now. If we get a decent total in first innings, say 300, it would often mean the match is heading for a draw if we bowl decently. Even better, if the total today reaches 450, it would mean no team's safe b4 a 475+ lead against us in home soil. In order to get big leads teams will try to bat faster, thus opening up the game for us.

450-460 is not impossble.we have to get under 200 runs to reach that. For that, Ash and Sakib have to get only 120 runs or so. Mushfiq only has to get 70 if that does not happen.It's a good chance. Now think about its consequences. I would have loved us to play the Aussies in Bangladesh right now. I don't think they'd declare with a target less than 500, after the last week. Seriously!

Too bad we are not scheduled for that many tests in near future.
That has happened too accurately too soon
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That has happened too accurately too soon
Yep they are going for 600+, which is good for us. I hope they aim even higher. Ash should put his slowest bowlers to bowl right now... LOL
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It's funny they actually gave a target of 620+. If our batsmen had scored over 300 in the 1st innings, and the bowlers kept them under 370, the test would have been a draw for sure...it was a missed opportunity.

Dilshan being dropped on 80 in 1st innings off Mehrab cost us...Taking only 2 pacers made the pace bowling totally ineffective as a unit, which had an effect on the spin bowling too. Ash batted too negatively in 1st innings which made him play that shot. And whatever happened to Tamim?
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we don't fall in the draw category means losing is our only option and we often leave things for the last moment.. to be honest we don't belong in the test playing nations
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