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Old January 16, 2009, 03:43 PM
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OK, so we just lost the most heartwrentching game in our history.

Give me your personal opinion on the overall status of BD cricket. Talk about everything and anything.

Just want to make an open forum here, because I have some important things to say, and I know others do too.
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Old January 16, 2009, 03:54 PM
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To be honest, i think this sheer ability to throw it all away at the finishing line is both ridiculous and patehtic (for lack of harsher terms). I can't find any consolation in how closely fought the match was or how tough it was for SL or how lucky they were to slide past the finishing line. At the end of the day, matches like this demoralise a team and sap away at their belief in their ability to force a win.

Where BD stands is something many times better than where they are used to. Translating the progress into result sucks.
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Old January 16, 2009, 03:54 PM
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I personally feel it's Fate mocking us for mocking Murali's physical features and stare. It's karma b.slapping us right back for all the harsh comments we harbor deep inside us thinking "we-are-better-than-thou" in terms of looks. Yes, mea culpa , I am guilty as charged for making some immature comments in justin chatroom.

BECAUSE, Murali was POSSESSED. As much as I have so much wrath on Rubel since the Dhallywood actor, I personally feel even if you brought in Mashrafe, Murali would have chopped us into pieces.

At the end of the day, the game has taught me one thing if not anything that there is much more in life than winning or losing and it's about giving a decent respect to a fellow human being.

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We are at a crossroads. What we do this year might determine future of our cricket. In my opinion, this year will either be amazing or horrible. No in between. Hopefully, we will finally start playing consistent cricket. My goal for this year is to avoid getting whitewashed in any series in ANY form of the game. That means winning at least 1 ODI and drawing at least 1 Test per series. I really think we are good enough to win a series at home against NZ, WI, ENG, Pak and SL. Windies are a two man show these days, we should have won the ODI series against NZ, we played really well against SL, Pak just doesn't scare me at all and Eng has been struggling lately. The teams that are still tough for us to beat are: IND, AUS, and SA. We will have a hard time winning a series against them but i still hope we don't get whitewashed against them.

Individual goals:

I really think Shakib can get his ODI average up to 40 by the end of this year. If he does that, that means he had a good year batting and usually means that we had success.
I would like to see Ash be a little more level headed but I doubt it.
I want to see Raqib cement his place at #3. We have struggled to find a #3 but I feel Raqib is still the best man for the job.
I want Mash to stay healthy and I want to see Nazmul support him.
I really want rubel to learn how to bowl line and length or he will just be another Shahadat.

Finally, the main player in my opinion that will ultimately decide how we do this year is Tamim Iqbal Khan. If he can finally learn how to be a bit less cocky and give the opposing bowlers some respect, I think he will do well. Tamim sometimes looks a bit too nonchalant out there. He has had a lot of lazy dismissals. HE is the one who can solidify our top order. hopefully he can become our Gambhir.

So this is the lineup I want to see:

ODIs:

Tamim Iqbal
Nafees Iqbal
Raqibul Hasan
Mohammad Ashraful
Shakib Al Hasan
Mushfiqur Rahim
Naeem Islam
Mahmadullah Riyad
Mashrafe Mortaza
Nazmul Hossain
Rubel Hossain

Tests:
Tamim Iqbal
Junaid Siddique
Raqibul Hasan
Shakib Al Hasan
Mohammad Ashraful
Mushfiqur Rahim
Naeem Islam
Mahmadullah Riyad
Mashrafe Mortaza
Nazmul Hossain
Enamul Haque Jr.
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OK, so we just lost the most heartwrentching game in our history. Give me your personal opinion on the overall status of BD cricket. Talk about everything and anything. Just want to make an open forum here, because I have some important things to say, and I know others do too.
Asad, before the tour our Sri Lanka, I was asked by BCB to write an article for their international brochure for this tournament. This brochure would be distributed among foreign press, guests, sponsors and others.

They gave me 2 days. Gave me some criteria to write - "with a positive vibe", "There is still hope for the future". Not an easy thing this, after our dismal performances in Bloemfontein and Centurion in November, 2008.

I think this tour of Sri Lanka has been one of restoring of faith in the capabilities of our cricketers. Regardless of the heartwrenching defeat last night, make no mistake fans: we are a formidable opponent for any sides in the world today. We have firmly established that fact in this tournament. We can fight, and we can win.

Here's the piece I wrote, sharing with the fans.

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A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.

Our nascent cricket is at the very beginning of that journey. We have already had many exciting moments starting with a famous victory in the 1999 world cup against Pakistan. The build-up reached a crescendo in the World Cup of 2007 with a number of memorable victories in between. Yes, the World Cup 2007 was a tournament to remember for us. Since then, it seems our cricket has reached a plateau in its development.

After the World Cup, our national team had its first victory against the Windies in the twenty 20 tournament in South Africa. Since then, there have been numerous trials, tribulations and tests for our cricket. A quick look-back might help us understand the difficulties faced during this period.

Our team went without a permanent head coach for 8 long months. The physical training and the regular practices went on just fine during this time thanks to the professional approach of Shaun Williams and his assistant Shane McDermott. It was, however, obvious that the team was not strategizing for the longer term during this period. They were not taking any groundbreaking approaches to address the technical flaws in the batting. The lack of coherence became apparent in the very first post world cup tour of Sri Lanka in 2007.

The tough tour of Sri Lanka was the debut for our new captain and vice captain – Ashraful & Mashrafee Mortaza. No, they were no longer new to the international arena, but the effect of the pressure was all too apparent on their performance.

One factor in particular has clearly affected our Test performance. It is the long gaps in our schedule. We faced New Zealand and South Africa back to back, 5 long months after the Sri Lanka tour. Then came an even longer break of 8 months before the next Test matches against the same teams in October 2008, again, back-to-back. Our team needs to adjust to the longer version by playing Test matches regularly. Our schedule though, keeps providing shock therapies of sort.

Some of our prominent veterans have left Bangladesh cricket in this same period. Ex-skippers Habibul Bashar & Khaled Masud and specially our best spinner Mohammed Rafique have left us. Many felt Rafique had a few more matches in him. We were also left without the service of our strike bowler Rasel for most of the last year due to a nagging injury.

Then, came the biggest blow, the one that shook our cricket to the core – the ICL exodus. Bangladesh cricket lost 14 proven players, including the regulars like Aftab, Alok Kapali, Shahriar Nafees, Dhiman Gosh and Farhad Reza. And last, but not the least, the team recently lost the service of our strike bowler Razzak, due to suspect action.

Our cricket has actually passed a tough test with flying colors during this time.
Yes. If there is to be hope for the future, we have demonstrated it most handily in the last few months. Hope is alive, and thriving. And yes, I can confidently justify these remarks. But first, let’s look at some of our shining stars.

We have finally found a dependable number one in Tamim Iqbal. This swashbuckling young man is improving every match. In time he will justify his inclusion as our Test opener also. We saw glimpses of that promise in his debut half century against New Zealand in 2008.

After a brief gap, Mushfiq picked up the task of our wicketkeeper batsman without skipping a beat. He is proving to be a very handy batsman. He averaged 76 runs per match in the last 3 completed test matches. The fans love his constant chirping and his encouragement of the teammates. On the green, he is a constant source of a verbal “pat-on-the-back” for every one of his players. His presence changes the whole dynamics of the proceedings.

And finally we have a guy that can play the ball softly and safely to the gully region – Rokibul. In my observation, he also plays the most compact cover drive of all our batsmen. He didn’t get enough time to adjust to the unusual high bounce of the South African pitches, but we fully expect him to come good and show his true talent in the near future.

Pacer Mahbubul Alam Robin demonstrates a refreshing level of accuracy with the line and length among our pacers. And there is the young man Sakib. He is improving at an accelerated rate. His spin has more venom, picking up a 7-fer, a 5-fer and a 6-fer in the last few test innings. In the latest tour of South Africa, we witnessed him turning even a shiny new ball effectively.

Ashraful is visibly more comfortable leading the team on the field, regardless of his own performance with the bat. He is always thinking, consulting his teammates, adjusting and strategizing. We now have a proactive skipper for the team.

We are causing scares for the stronger teams more frequently these days. In 2008 so far, we have pushed both New Zealand and South African to the limit in Tests, and handed a sound ODI defeat to the Kiwis. No opponents take us lightly now. This year, the 11th ranking Ireland ODI team had a harsh reality check by a brutal whitewash at the hands of the tigers. We have put some distance between us and the lower order teams including Zimbabwe and Kenya.

Our bowling and fielding have steadily improved. The fitness level is comparable to, if not better than any other sub-continental teams. Our issues with the batting are clearly identified. Beginning with the appointment of a top class coach, we have now employed more resources than ever before in the improvement of our batting. Our pre-tour camps have new routines to include maximum batting practice.

Late last year, I had the opportunity to interview a number of age level and development coaches in Bangladesh. Each of these individuals was involved in age level coaching at some capacity.






…..cont’d
Zafrul Ehsan - Under 14 squad & Women’s team coach
Mizanur Rahman Babul - U-16
Nazmul Abedin Fahim - U-18/19
Tushar Kanti Hawladar - Fitness U-18/19
Bayezid - Physio –Academy team
Khaled Mahmud - Manager – Academy team
Minhajul Abedin - Batting specialist – Academy team
Wahidul Gani - Spin specialist
Trainer (ex) - Shane Mcdermott - Australia
Golam Faruk Suru - Fast bowling coach

The partial list shows we have a structure where cricketers of a generation are involved in boosting the next generation. Most of these guys have been our heroes in the past. Many of them now have advance coaching training from abroad. They are involved in the business of producing the cricketers of the future. The scenario is much the same inside the BCB management also – packed with experienced ex-cricketers.

Their views ranged from optimistic to critical. The predominant gripe was about the lack of standard facilities. Some of these professionals wanted to mimic a soccer style domestic cricket structure. Others were frustrated with the delays in building the new Cricket Academy. But every one of these individuals was sure of one thing – we are heading in the right direction. The future is bright.

There is the silver lining. The way we have replaced our National Team spots after the ICL debacle is the proof that the system is working. We are producing more and better cricketers every day. Even the women’s team had a few fantastic wins in the last couple of years.

Our country and our people are ever more supportive of the national team. The stadiums are packed. Domestic structure is being enhanced and refined every year. More facilities are being built. And finally the work on the National Academy has begun at Mirpur. Bangladesh is firmly holding onto one of the top positions in World Cricket.

We are working round the clock to improve our Cricket. We are putting our priorities in order. We are getting better. We are knocking at the door of success.

The glorious journey continues….

The journey of a thousand miles…….
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Old January 16, 2009, 04:54 PM
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Except for Sakib, I don't see any big improvement in the team.

Mashrafe is currently on a hot streak but he switches between hot & cold all the time.

Rubel may be a better version of Shahadat, but it's too early to say.

We struggled a lot after losing Rasel to injury, and it's yet to be seen whether Nazmul or Robin can fill the vacuum left by him.

Inclusion of Naeem helped the spin department, especially when Abdur Razzak is gone, but have not yet seen anything significant from him as a batsman.

Mushfiq is same old, same old.

What is hurting the team most at this point is - the top order (1-4) is still as shaky as ever. Tamim Iqbal showed good promise in the early part of the last year, but he degressed as the year went by.
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Old January 16, 2009, 05:39 PM
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To add to my previous post, I think we would be no better than Zimbabwe at this point had we not have Sakib in the team.
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As a Test team -

Batting
Top order - Downward trend. Top order almost non-existent. Tamim occasionally plays a good innings and then hybernates. Zunaid is struggling to find his feet. Imrul was a good prospect, but needs time to settle. No comment on Ashraful.

Middle Order - Middle order sterngth has significantly increased over the last 12 months. Thanks to Shakib and Mushfiqur Rahim. Mehrab and Roqibul are good prospects, but both of them needs time to settle. Naeem should be a regular part of the Test team.

Late order/Tail - Like top order, going downwards except occasional blitz from Mashrafe.

As a whole the Test batting department hasn't improved over the last 12 months. Middle/Late middle order are producing some runs otherwise we would have seen a number of below 100 scores.

Test bowling
Pace Department
Mashrafe is the lone fighter due to alarming decline of Shahadat. Mahbubul is a good find and has a good future in the Test team. Made significant improvement after the addition of Ramanayeke. Rubel is probably not ready for Test yet.

Spin department
Emergence of Shakib changed the whole scenario otherwise our spin department is in dire situation. Enamul is no longer the same bowler, Mehrab does not have the consistency and penetration, Naeem is a part timer, Razzak is banned and pretty ineffective. We badly need a second spinner for the Test team.


ODI
Batting
Top order - Non existent. Even Tamim has forgotten his batting and Zunaid was always a non-starter for ODI. Imrul was a good prospect, but again we axed him from the ODI team for the Test failure which is nonsense. Rokib is not the same player after coming back from the injury. Mushy is failing to fill the number 3 position. No comment on Ashraful. Sharp decline in the last few months.

Middle order : Middle order is again keeping us in contention after regular top order collapse. Shakib, Naeem and Mushy (in middle order) are producing good runs. Mehrab Jr. is not fit for ODIs yet. Rokibul is trying to find his feet in the middle order, but it will take some time to regain his form. Encouraging signs are there.

late order/tail : No significant contribution except once in a blue moon performance from Mashrafe. No improvement.

Bowling
Pace : Mashrafe is holding the key. He is in good form and making regular breakthrough, but he needs a partner. We are badly missing Rasel. Mahbubul, Rubel or Nazmul may make a good partner, but I am not so sure about it yet. I want to give Mahbubul and Rubel more opportunities to settle in. Nazmul should play on green tops. It's taking a good shape.

Spin : Despite the absence of Razzak, ODI spin department looks good. Shakib is continuing his good work, Naeem is good 5th bowler, Mahmudullah/Ash/ Mehrab can fill the 6th bowler quota. Still we need Razzak badly, otherwise another worthy replacement. Shuvo might be the answer, don't know yet.

Overall, I don't see any significant improvement except middle order batting in Tests and ODI(largely due to Shakib and Mushy in Tests) and overall improvement in bowling department (again Shakib and Mashrafe).
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Jamie Siddons has said before that his goal is 2011 worldcup and that is a reasonable goal. I think by the worldcup time bangladesh can consistently beat top 8 sides in the world. I am very excited.
Can someone please tell me, may be Miraz bhai knows if bangladesh has tour planned against West Indies, England or India. If they do when are they and what is the future tour schedule for bangladesh. I tried look it up but cnat find it on this site nor on cricinfo. Thanx.
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Jamie Siddons has said before that his goal is 2011 worldcup and that is a reasonable goal. I think by the worldcup time bangladesh can consistently beat top 8 sides in the world. I am very excited.
Can someone please tell me, may be Miraz bhai knows if bangladesh has tour planned against West Indies, England or India. If they do when are they and what is the future tour schedule for bangladesh. I tried look it up but cnat find it on this site nor on cricinfo. Thanx.
Bangladesh's next assignment will be against Pakistan for a 5 match ODI series in February/March.

Bangladesh will be touring England for world Twenty20 in June which will be followed by a 2 Test 3 ODI series against West Indies in late June/early July. Bangladesh will then travel to Zimbabwe to play 2 Tests (there is doubt over the Test series) and 5 ODIs. Zimbabwe will come to Bangladesh in October to play 3 Tests and 5 ODIs.

Bangladesh will host India again in December 09 for 2 Tests and a Tri-series also involving Sri Lanka.
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Here's to the ICL situation resolving itself before the 20/20 cup.
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BTW Miraz, whatever happened to your sunny disposition? You are the nabob of negativity these days ...
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where do we stand:

you know, Players create History each and every game they play...so each day is a different day, the unpredictability in cricket is attested to and confirmed by everyone in the modern age. so depending on how Bangladesh plays they can either be WWWWWWWW or LLLWLLWLWLLLL or just all L's...


BUT, Bangladesh definitely has the players, over the eight years, we may not have won a single test(against a top 8), what we have done is compose an XI of potential match winners, something we didn't have before.

so from here on, Bangladesh can go anywhere, to the Absolute Top or Bottom
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As a Test team -

Batting
Top order - Downward trend. Top order almost non-existent. Tamim occasionally plays a good innings and then hybernates. Zunaid is struggling to find his feet. Imrul was a good prospect, but needs time to settle. No comment on Ashraful.

Middle Order - Middle order sterngth has significantly increased over the last 12 months. Thanks to Shakib and Mushfiqur Rahim. Mehrab and Roqibul are good prospects, but both of them needs time to settle. Naeem should be a regular part of the Test team.

Late order/Tail - Like top order, going downwards except occasional blitz from Mashrafe.

As a whole the Test batting department hasn't improved over the last 12 months. Middle/Late middle order are producing some runs otherwise we would have seen a number of below 100 scores.

Test bowling
Pace Department
Mashrafe is the lone fighter due to alarming decline of Shahadat. Mahbubul is a good find and has a good future in the Test team. Made significant improvement after the addition of Ramanayeke. Rubel is probably not ready for Test yet.

Spin department
Emergence of Shakib changed the whole scenario otherwise our spin department is in dire situation. Enamul is no longer the same bowler, Mehrab does not have the consistency and penetration, Naeem is a part timer, Razzak is banned and pretty ineffective. We badly need a second spinner for the Test team.


ODI
Batting
Top order - Non existent. Even Tamim has forgotten his batting and Zunaid was always a non-starter for ODI. Imrul was a good prospect, but again we axed him from the ODI team for the Test failure which is nonsense. Rokib is not the same player after coming back from the injury. Mushy is failing to fill the number 3 position. No comment on Ashraful. Sharp decline in the last few months.

Middle order : Middle order is again keeping us in contention after regular top order collapse. Shakib, Naeem and Mushy (in middle order) are producing good runs. Mehrab Jr. is not fit for ODIs yet. Rokibul is trying to find his feet in the middle order, but it will take some time to regain his form. Encouraging signs are there.

late order/tail : No significant contribution except once in a blue moon performance from Mashrafe. No improvement.

Bowling
Pace : Mashrafe is holding the key. He is in good form and making regular breakthrough, but he needs a partner. We are badly missing Rasel. Mahbubul, Rubel or Nazmul may make a good partner, but I am not so sure about it yet. I want to give Mahbubul and Rubel more opportunities to settle in. Nazmul should play on green tops. It's taking a good shape.

Spin : Despite the absence of Razzak, ODI spin department looks good. Shakib is continuing his good work, Naeem is good 5th bowler, Mahmudullah/Ash/ Mehrab can fill the 6th bowler quota. Still we need Razzak badly, otherwise another worthy replacement. Shuvo might be the answer, don't know yet.

Overall, I don't see any significant improvement except middle order batting in Tests and ODI(largely due to Shakib and Mushy in Tests) and overall improvement in bowling department (again Shakib and Mashrafe).
rarely, do i find arguments to disagree with you. top class post. i am hoping Rasel recovers his back problem...
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I think Alok, Aftab, and SN was holding us back from progressing. I dont know may be getting them back now will be good? And yeah we need to fix the batting. Tamim is our best batsman and someone needs to tell him that you can't play like that after you get a good start. You just cannot expect to bundle out the opposition under 200 and expect to win matches only that way. We need to be able to hit the 250 mark often. Also, its a shame that we dont get any matches against ENG.
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Default Slow, and Sometimes Steady Progress

Yes, progress is being made.

The stats are clear. Bangladesh has won 8 matches against G8 sides, and 7 of those matches have come since Boxing Day 2004 (i.e basically since 2005). Now that is exactly 4 years ago, and so we are winning an average of almost 2 matches per year against top sides. Certainly, that doesn't merit a shedding of our "minnow" status, but at the same time its better than what we've had before.

For those who don't think satisfactory progress is being made, I ask you what is satisfactory progress, and what internal reasons have we to demand that progress be made at that specific rate?

Knocking out our lone win against Pakistan in the 1999 World Cup as an anomoly or "fluke" win. We are left with 7 wins against top sides - 2 of them against teams ranked # 1 (Australia in June 2005, and South Africa in April 2007).

Total Wins = 7
Won coin toss = 4
Lost coin toss = 3
Home wins = 4
Away wins = 0
Neutral wins = 3
Batting 1st = 2
Batting 2nd = 5
Wins in Subcontinent = 4
Wins outside SC = 3
Day-Night wins = 1
Day wins = 6
Number of Teams beaten = 5
Number of Dead Rubber wins = 0

So we see that we have a pretty good variety in our wins, asides from not winning a match on the opposition's turf (a trend which could change this summer in the Caribbean). So the argument that Bangladesh can only win at home or in certain conditions and shouldn't be offered overseas tours is simply not true. It is also not true that Bangladesh can only win in meaningless situations where the series outcome is already decided. When we beat Australia it was their first Natwest Series match. The South Africa win came when both sides had mathematical chances of either qualifying or missing the World Cup semi-finals.

Wins By Calendar Year

2004 = 1
2005 = 1
2006 = 1
2007 = 2
2008 = 1
2009 = 1

Average/Year = 1.2 (only for completed calendar years)

Another way we can judge to see if we are making any progress is to see how many losses against top sides we usually suffer before our wins. I will start from June 2000, as this was the date we were elevated to Test status:

1st win = 48 matches
2nd win = 2 matches
3rd win = 8 matches
4th win = 6 matches
5th win = 3 matches
6th win = 27 matches
7th win = 4 matches

In graphical form:



There is an overall downward trajectory of this chart, although if you exclude the first data point, there is a more or less a steady average. Our job must be to continue to bring this average down as far as possible. Technically, we can't have it any lower than 1, so our target should be to make wins more regular, but increasing our overall winning percentage, which stands at around 11% against top sides.

Average once we won 1st match = 8.33 losses between any two wins against top sides.

Actually our winning percentage is about 10.7% against top sides, which is a win every 9 games. Personally, this not that bad, because before doing this research I would have thought our record was a win every 15 or 20 games.

As an aside, it is interesting to note amidst the current controversy surrounding the Ashraful captaincy, that his average of 15.5 losses between wins is markedly worse than Bashar's average of 6.4 losses between wins. In this regard, Bashar was a much better captain that Ashraful is now. However, Ashraful is bound to increase his record, and it will be interesting to see if he beat Bashar's record in the course of his captaincy.

Now lets look at yet another indicator of improvement, albeit a rather subjective one. Often, BC members entertain no realistic hope of a win, but rather are focussed on our very own cliche, "we need to show them a good fight." In other words, we are often more interested in not winning matches, but forcing the opposition to sweat long and hard before beating us.

So let us look at the "close" matches we've had so far. Now to make things a bit more objective I will venture with the following propositions:

1) A loss is close if the opponents have to bat 45 overs to reach their target

or

2) Lose at least 6 wickets

When we are chasing the criteria are:

3) We must chase to within 15% of the oppositions score


The following matches fall under the above criteria as "close" or well-fought matches since June 2000 (when we got Test status):

India 2003 TVS cup
Pakistan 2003
West Indies 2004
West Indies 2004
New Zealand 2004
India 2004
Australia 2005
Australia 2006
Sri Lanka 2006
England 2007
India 2007
South Africa 2008
Pakistan 2008
Pakistan 2008
Sri Lanka 2009

So there were a total of 15 ODIs which we lost but perhaps half of them could have easily been wins if we had held on to catches or had some correct decisions go our way.

So let us look at the proportion of "winnable" games as a function of time:

2000: 0/2
2001: 0/0
2002: 0/14
2003: 2/19
2004: 4/15
2005: 1/9
2006: 2/8
2007: 2/15
2008: 3/22
2009: 1/2

Or in graphical form we have:



It is evident that we have an overall upward curve to this, although there are dips in it. This is a good thing because before we can win matches, we must first get into "winnable" positions. We cannot win matches, if we're getting blown out routinely.
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don't lose your heart man, someone's gotta win and someone's gotta loose. when someone wins someone looses, that's the nature of life. this will only teach you guys a new lessons. So don't be ashamed of loosing, because when it's all said and done all those lessons learned will come in handy.

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don't lose your heart man, someone's gotta wind and soemone's gotta loose. when someone wins someone looses, that's the nature of life. this will only teach you guys a new lesson, so don't be ashamed of loosing. because when it's all said and done all those lessons learned will come in handy.
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Al-furqaan vai, is there any 'lowest runs' per 'wickets lost' ratio that somehow highlights at what number was the Sri Lankan 6/5 performance?
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Al-furqaan vai, is there any 'lowest runs' per 'wickets lost' ratio that somehow highlights at what number was the Sri Lankan 6/5 performance?
Is THIS what you're looking for?
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Thanks Your Highness. Finally good to see that we are #1 at something positive.
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if we have 3 sakib al hasan and 2 mashrafee bin mortuza, we don't have to worry about wining a match
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gud things r happening out there..but at a very slow rate...we really have to step on the gas to perfrom consistently...this year is a big year for uss..this tri-series gave us the right momentum..even with the horrible batting performance excpet sakib..we have to continue on right where we left off.. we can't afford no more screw ups
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Thanks Your Highness. Finally good to see that we are #1 at something positive.
Yeah it's rare to see huh? It's like checking the cricinfo headlines every time Bangladesh are on top of the opposition. They make you feel all tingly inside.
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