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Old February 18, 2009, 06:14 PM
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Default "Best new ball pair in the world..."

surprising comment from Javagal Srinath...he actually thinks the duo of zaheer can and ishant sharma is the best new ball pair in the world.

admittedly, they form the spearheard of a very envious indian pace attack, but rank them ahead of steyn and ntini (or morkel) or even johnson and lee (who is out of form i guess) is quite propesterous, IMO.
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Old February 18, 2009, 06:17 PM
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Best new ball pair in the world: Mortaza and Rasel. Beat that.
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Old February 18, 2009, 06:30 PM
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surprising comment from Javagal Srinath...he actually thinks the duo of zaheer can and ishant sharma is the best new ball pair in the world.

admittedly, they form the spearheard of a very envious indian pace attack, but rank them ahead of steyn and ntini (or morkel) or even johnson and lee (who is out of form i guess) is quite propesterous, IMO.
Id say their ahead of johnson and lee, BUT not even close to steyn and ntini. As soon as India loses a few games, they'll be calling for them to be dropped.
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Best new ball pair in the world: Mortaza and Rasel. Beat that.
Mash and Rasel are indeed the best opening pair in ODI cricket...

Zak and Ishant couldn't dream of bowling as tightly as they can in the first 10 overs, plus mash and rasel can also take the odd wicket or 2 as well.
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Id say their ahead of johnson and lee, BUT not even close to steyn and ntini. As soon as India loses a few games, they'll be calling for them to be dropped.
lee still has a better test average and strike rate than either ishant or zak over the course of his ENTIRE career...he's just out of form. don't get me wrong, lee is not that good, but he's still damn good. ishant has the potential to be better, but at the moment, all he has is a single 5 wicket haul in his career...by comparison shahadat has twice that many...
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My Take ..
From recent memory ..

They were better than SL and Aus in Australia in the CB series
They were not better than SA in India
They were better than Eng. in India
They were better than Pak,BD,SL in the Tri series and the Asia cup
They were better than the Aussies in India
They were better than SL in SL both in the Test as well as the recent ODI's

I have to see them against NZ and WI ..but if you were to ask me it is (last one year)

1.SA (both are in form)
daylight
2.India (both are in form)
3.Pak(Gul is amazing ..but needs Asif badly )
4.Australia (Bracken is great in ODI's and Johnson in Tests but lacks the combination)
5.SL (except against the Indians Kulasekara has been great.. no support at the other end)
6.England ( Flintoff needs support, Board is good )
7.BD (Mash is woefully alone ..)

I did not include NZ and WI as I have not seen them first hand in last year.

But nothing wrong for an ex-Indian seamer to root for his team especially when they are not too far off from the top team.Mind you Zaheer was the ICC bowler (was he ?) this year and Sharma is easily in the top 5.More improtantly they both are in form and without injuries.Only the SA bolwers are lucky to be inform and
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Old February 18, 2009, 07:42 PM
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I actually kinda like Johnson - he could be the real deal: the ideal candidate to fill the void left by the retirement of the Pigeon, at least in the long run. He may not be as great, but certainly has the potential to become an able replacement.

Indian pace-bowling has come a long way over the years, perhaps thanks to MRF?
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Indian pace-bowling has come a long way over the years, perhaps thanks to MRF?
You think?

Actually, it's also probably more meat in the average Indian diet too that's contributing.
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You think?

Actually, it's also probably more meat in the average Indian diet too that's contributing.
Could be, but there is something else...I think their role model has been changed and people started to think bowling fast...their league system also revamped to encourage new comers bowling fast
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Mash and Rasel are indeed the best opening pair in ODI cricket...

Zak and Ishant couldn't dream of bowling as tightly as they can in the first 10 overs, plus mash and rasel can also take the odd wicket or 2 as well.
Not sure if BCB taking care of Rasel and giving him proper training and facilities to recover...indeed they were great ODI pair...miss his presence a lot.
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He is just trying to make some noise..thats all.
Nothing into it.

The current indian team is certainly a very good one and IMO, the top 3 spots in world cricket are being contested by SA, Aus and India atm.

But calling their new ball pair the best is far stretching.
SA takes that mantle right now.
Soon they'd be the team to beat, the magical chair will take a turn but would still remain in the southern hemisphere.
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mortaza and rasel in ODI
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My Take ..
From recent memory ..

They were better than SL and Aus in Australia in the CB series
They were not better than SA in India
They were better than Eng. in India
They were better than Pak,BD,SL in the Tri series and the Asia cup
They were better than the Aussies in India
They were better than SL in SL both in the Test as well as the recent ODI's

I have to see them against NZ and WI ..but if you were to ask me it is (last one year)

1.SA (both are in form)
daylight
2.India (both are in form)
3.Pak(Gul is amazing ..but needs Asif badly )
4.Australia (Bracken is great in ODI's and Johnson in Tests but lacks the combination)
5.SL (except against the Indians Kulasekara has been great.. no support at the other end)
6.England ( Flintoff needs support, Board is good )
7.BD (Mash is woefully alone ..)

I did not include NZ and WI as I have not seen them first hand in last year.

But nothing wrong for an ex-Indian seamer to root for his team especially when they are not too far off from the top team.Mind you Zaheer was the ICC bowler (was he ?) this year and Sharma is easily in the top 5.More improtantly they both are in form and without injuries.Only the SA bolwers are lucky to be inform and
gul and zaheer are massively over-hyped IMO. both are good, with gul having quite a SR, but still overhyped. asif on the other hand seems to be a bona fide genius. too bad he's a bona fide retard off the field...

asides from jerome taylor's heroics, i'd prolly rate our fast bowlers as being equavalent to theirs. the kiwi attack also doesn't look too threatening, although southee has loads of potential. but somehow guys like mills and martin have low 30 averages, which is phenomenol yet completely unheralded, yet a mid-30 average from zaheer khan has him being 50% of the "best new ball pair" in the world.

there's nothign wrong with rooting for your guys, but that comment from srinath is akin to me saying that sakib al hasan is the best spinner in the world. based purely on numbers, that statement makes more sense than srinath's.
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gul and zaheer are massively over-hyped IMO. both are good, with gul having quite a SR, but still overhyped. asif on the other hand seems to be a bona fide genius. too bad he's a bona fide retard off the field...

asides from jerome taylor's heroics, i'd prolly rate our fast bowlers as being equavalent to theirs. the kiwi attack also doesn't look too threatening, although southee has loads of potential. but somehow guys like mills and martin have low 30 averages, which is phenomenol yet completely unheralded, yet a mid-30 average from zaheer khan has him being 50% of the "best new ball pair" in the world.

there's nothign wrong with rooting for your guys, but that comment from srinath is akin to me saying that sakib al hasan is the best spinner in the world. based purely on numbers, that statement makes more sense than srinath's.
Unfortunatly, our pace depends solely on Mash. He has played well recently, but when hes out of form, we have no one.
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Unfortunatly, our pace depends solely on Mash. He has played well recently, but when hes out of form, we have no one.
Shahdat Hossainlol:

how can u forget him? he can bowl bouncer with 115kph regularly
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arey bhai srinath bhai, what is today a new ball pair will someday soon become a pair of old balls!
everything on earth eventually gets old, soft and slow!
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how can u forget him? he can bowl bouncer with 115kph regularly
Clearly Shahadat will carry our pace team to glory.......
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Unfortunatly, our pace depends solely on Mash. He has played well recently, but when hes out of form, we have no one.
unfortunately when rajib was in form...mash had 0 wickets whilst rajib grabbed 12 at under 20 apiece. that too against the best side in the world, RSA.

hopefully rajib gets his form back, showed some promise in his last innings, and rubel or sajidul steps up as a solid 3rd seamer. what we need is a solid 3rd seamer...
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how can u forget him? he can bowl bouncer with 115kph regularly


clearly rajib is not bowling at his natural pace...in fact up until the SA series last spring, he hit 140k on every series he played in...the coach's must be retooling his game, hence his lack of form.

though he was only reaching 125 k against RSA...i think it was speed gun error. we've been having crappy speed guns at home for a while now.
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how can u forget him? he can bowl bouncer with 115kph regularly
nah bro it should be 105kph....lol

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but somehow guys like mills and martin have low 30 averages, which is phenomenol yet completely unheralded, yet a mid-30 average from zaheer khan has him being 50% of the "best new ball pair" in the world.
Because they play 50% of their matches at NZ pitches and Zaheer plays 50% of his matches in Indian pitches.
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Ishanth Sharma is the real deal. He has the height ,pace and an ugly hairstyle to compliment his deadly inswingiing deliveries that exposed flaws in Ponting's technique.He is certainly the best we have in the sub-continent right now.

Zaheer Khan is over-rated and average. Ask Tamim Iqbal.

I would rather have Zaheer/Ishanth bowling at me in the nets for 10 overs than face a single Dale Steyn over.He's from a different planet altogether and the entire Indian Bowling line-up (add the bench) combined would fail to deliver what Dale Steyn could single handedly do to opposition Batsman.
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Well you can find best of the batting pairs in this Ind team but surely there is nothing
threatening from the indian bwlng attack.
I think Bd scored best against Ind than against any other top team.Apart from the fast bwlng I would say our SAkib & Razzaq spin pair should be the best.
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you guys are forgetting:

India has improved A LOT in the last year, especially in their bowling department, so if i were you, i wouldn't dismiss them so lightly before facinng "best new ball pair in the world" in T20 World Cup 2009!

India: team to watch out!

our Mash Rasel combo isn't too bad either, but i will not hurt anyone's feeelings(including mine) there have been a few instances where the opposition scored 300+ runs against our Razzak+Shakib+Rafiq+Rasel+Mash! one such example is World Cup 2007: Group Stage match against Sri Lanka!
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