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Old June 25, 2009, 10:13 AM
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And someone will be waiting for you at your doorstep with a "Jharu".
Hey...anything for Priety Zinta...I can take a thousand jharur bari. No questions asked!
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Old June 25, 2009, 10:14 AM
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Same as the difference between the 100M dash vs. the Marathon.

Different breed of skills and athleticism. One you pace yourself and strategize accordingly, the other you have to go all out from the get go.

Fewer room for mistakes in one and in the other you have time to recover.

One brings in the excitement, the crowd, the money and the other satisfies the critics. Its like music, you have your bands/groups/artists that have hit songs because they are fun and enjoyable to listen to but critics feel the lyrics and music must have meaning for it to be considered a good song.

One allows more cricket to be played, less fatigue on the players, more professional options for players while the other is a dinosaur which is an amazing part of history but has no business in today's world.
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Old June 25, 2009, 10:19 AM
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So basically these two formats are at the two opposite end. Needs different sets of skills, mindset, and approach? 90% (arbitrary number) nothing in common right?
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Old June 25, 2009, 10:23 AM
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So basically these two formats are at the two opposite end. Needs different sets of skills, mindset, and approach? 90% (arbitrary number) nothing in common right?
They are both cricket but different formats. Its only common now because the same players are playing all three.

I believe you will start to see players picking and choosing (already happening with Younis, Symonds etc.) their formats more and more in the near future.

I'm not sure if the cricket fanbase will do the same or not but bottom line is you can not claim one to be superior to the other via logic (only opinion).
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Old June 25, 2009, 10:38 AM
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They are both cricket but different formats. Its only common now because the same players are playing all three.

I believe you will start to see players picking and choosing (already happening with Younis, Symonds etc.) their formats more and more in the near future.

I'm not sure if the cricket fanbase will do the same or not but bottom line is you can not claim one to be superior to the other via logic (only opinion).
With the IPL money flooding the market would it even be choice for young cricketers? So Tests will not exist? RIP to test.
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Old June 25, 2009, 10:47 AM
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I think I know the difference, but still struggling to express in plain words. Thats why I am expressing it by compaing with other stuff in life that we are already familiar with:

"slam dunk contest" for Basketball <==> T20 for cricket
"regular game" for basketball <==> TEST for cricket

"Home run Durby" for baseball <==> T20 for cricket
"regular game" for baseball <==> TEST for cricket

"tie breaker penalty shots" for soccer <==> T20 for cricket
"regular game" for scoocer <==> TEST for cricket

"Miniature golf" for golf <==> T20 for cricket
"Masters Golf Tournament" for golf <==> TEST for cricket

"100 meter spring" for runners <==> T20 for cricket
"Marathon" for runners <==> TEST for cricket

"Eider Natok" for TV viewers <==> T20 for cricket
"Series Natok" for TV viewers <==> TEST for cricket

Earning 1 Million from Lottery <==> T20 for cricket
Saving 1 Million by working in Middle East for 20 years <==> T20 for cricket

Corrupt Politician <==> T20 for cricket
Corrupt Meter Reader <==> TEST for cricket

Girlfriend <==> T20 for cricket
Wife (with children) <==> TEST for cricket

2 door sports model car <==> T20 for cricket
MiniVan <==> TEST for cricket

Flue shot <==> T20 for cricket
Chemotherapy <==> TEST for cricket

Typical Fazal Mamu's comment <==> T20 for cricket
Typical Vlad Mammu's comment <==> T20 for cricket
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Old June 25, 2009, 11:01 AM
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With the IPL money flooding the market would it even be choice for young cricketers? So Tests will not exist? RIP to test.
its life. I struggle with some of my employees because they are so used to using the code and macros that I wrote that when something goes wrong they don't have the fundamentals to go and investigate to do things manually when there is a time crunch.

But on the other hand, their programming and other technical skills are sharper in other aspects that I haven't either worked with or taken classes for.

Cricket for cricketers is a profession whereas for us its passion or entertainment. They need to go where the money is and recognize the direction the wind is blowing.
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Old June 25, 2009, 11:07 AM
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Flip a coin 10 times, you can get any number of head and tails (adding up to 10 of course). But it is possible to get 10 heads and 0 tail (or the opposite).

But flip the same coin 500 times and you will get 250 head and 250 tails (at worst, 248-252, but the difference will not be any bigger).

bottom line, if you do something for long enough, it eliminates the 'chance' factor from the equation. how that translates to cricket? in T20, anyone can win by chance, not necessarily the best team will win the match. In test, with the chance factor eliminated, the best team will win. If there is no significant difference, it will be drawn.

That is the root difference between T20 and Test (BTW, this is where the name Test came from, a test of real quality)
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Old June 25, 2009, 11:14 AM
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Flip a coin 10 times, you can get any number of head and tails (adding up to 10 of course). But it is possible to get 10 heads and 0 tail (or the opposite).

But flip the same coin 500 times and you will get 250 head and 250 tails (at worst, 248-252, but the difference will not be any bigger).

bottom line, if you do something for long enough, it eliminates the 'chance' factor from the equation. how that translates to cricket? in T20, anyone can win by chance, not necessarily the best team will win the match. In test, with the chance factor eliminated, the best team will win. If there is no significant difference, it will be drawn.

That is the root difference between T20 and Test (BTW, this is where the name Test came from, a test of real quality)

The point to that is you can improve the odds of the better team winning any sport by making it longer. Make soccer 450 minutes long, make Basketball 3 hrs long (playing time, not including breaks and time outs). Problem is who has the time/stamina to play, watch or pour money into that?
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Old June 25, 2009, 11:17 AM
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Can you afford to play for a draw in T20? I think that is significant.
How did I miss that!
Tie? yes. Draw? Never in limited overs cricket.

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So basically these two formats are at the two opposite end. Needs different sets of skills, mindset, and approach? 90% (arbitrary number) nothing in common right?
At more abstract level, the requirements are the same. One has to play accprding to the situation. If situation demands, one can go for scroing quickly also in tests. Actually, skilled players can play both test and shorter format effectively, Kallis and Dravid are examples.

So, IMO, it is not the demand in skill; rather it is the demand in the match situations that differ. For example, a T20 match situation most often demands scoring quickly; but they can also demand building partnerships. T20 is used to be perceived as a batsmen's game; but good bowlers can also do wonders. It is all about the ability to think and make best use of skills.
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Old June 25, 2009, 11:17 AM
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T20 is uradhuraa cricket. jodi laigga jai.. hoi 4/6 nahoi out..!

Test is like a test. It examines your skills, patiences, shot selections..etc.
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Old June 25, 2009, 11:18 AM
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The point to that is you can improve the odds of the better team winning any sport by making it longer. Make soccer 450 minutes long, make Basketball 3 hrs long (playing time, not including breaks and time outs). Problem is who has the time/stamina to play, watch or pour money into that?
How many 450 minutes football game you watched? The question of Stamina is mute here. Those who like Test makes time to watch it. If BD starts winning or even competing against other nations it would NOT be hard for BCB to fill up the seats, with the right marketing strategy ofcourse.
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Old June 25, 2009, 11:21 AM
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Difference between T20 and Test? I assume ODI's?
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Old June 25, 2009, 11:33 AM
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How many 450 minutes football game you watched? The question of Stamina is mute here. Those who like Test makes time to watch it. If BD starts winning or even competing against other nations it would NOT be hard for BCB to fill up the seats, with the right marketing strategy ofcourse.
My point is if T20 had been around for over a century and someone came up with the Test concept, think how ridiculous that would be.

Filling up the stadium is not enough. There is money involved in travel, housing the players, preparing the stadiums and maintaining it for 5 days. Test is a TV sport, not a stadium sport. You go to a soccer, basketball game as a casual fan just like T20. Nobody goes, hey I need to do something today, let me go spend a day at the stadium watching a bowler and batsment play test of skill by blocking and bowling outside the stump line to see who falls asleep first (I chose not to say blink).

Even if Test glory is the ultimate goal, you can not fund the development to get there without T20 and ODI money. So why wouldn't you want to improve on those two?

On a side note T_E, you and I need to meet somewhere in the middle (maybe TN), grab a couple of drinks (even though I haven't touched any for the last 8 years) and really hash this out until one of us begs for mercy and surrenders the format of their choice.
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Old June 25, 2009, 11:39 AM
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T20 = hotty sitting next to me
Test = bou waiting at home

However,

T20 = hottie that pays you to be with her
Test = bou that you have to support to be with her

End of the day,

T20 = an evening with the hottie
Test = a life with the bou
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Old June 25, 2009, 11:41 AM
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On a side note T_E, you and I need to meet somewhere in the middle (maybe TN), grab a couple of drinks (even though I haven't touched any for the last 8 years) and really hash this out until one of us begs for mercy and surrenders the format of their choice.
1) Asad's crib (Al Furqaan) would be nice. I heard he makes killer Mango Shake (Need recipe, let me know).
2) One World's, heart of TN.

But I would prefer you be a guest of mine at my place.
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Old June 25, 2009, 11:42 AM
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T20 = hotty sitting next to me
Test = bou waiting at home

However,

T20 = hottie that pays you to be with her
Test = bou that you have to support to be with her

End of the day,

T20 = an evening with the hottie
Test = a life with the bou
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Old June 25, 2009, 11:54 AM
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কোথায় অাগরতলা অার কোথায় চকির তলা
TE the differences are so vast that I don't know where to begin. I'll skip the obvious stuff re: duration, clothing, etc and focus on the strategy/mindset/utility for the fan

Test: Chess match
T20: Checkers

Both involve strategy and skills but the myriad of options and the canvas (more pieces and longer games) to execute them, re-strategize, adjust, are all that makes chess more of a challenge/fun to me.

Test: accomodates all forms of batsmanship. Your bludgeoners of the Haydos, Smith & Gayle mode. Your fencing masters of the Laxman, Lara, Z Abbas mold. Your classicists such as Tendu, Gower, Dravid, Vaughn, Mahela. The non-conformists such as Chanderpaul, Shewag, Dilshan, Pietersens. You get the picture ... the more aggressive field placing and the emphasis on attack & defense leads to much more variety in batsmanship.

T20: Taking the game towards unabashed, heavy-bat power game. Much like Astroturf killed the artistry in Field Hockey ... I fear T20 will do the same. A mis-hit can go for six - time after time. Where's the joy in that.

Test: Accommodates all forms of pitches. Skiddy Perth, to slow turn Fatullah. Dustbowl Chepauk to lush green Edgbaston, you get to see bowler friendly, batsman friendly or sporting pitches

T20: Demands shirt-fronts where the ball barely seams, comes on to bat nicely and doesn't offer much turn. Again longer term, it threatens to homogenize the game beyond recognition.

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IMO.. it goes something like this

T20= The Lamborghini Reventon that you rent for 1 day
Test= The 1978 SS Camaro that you've had ever since you were 15....
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T20 = More 6s
That's because they bring the boundary ropes in for T20 cricket.
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IMO.. it goes something like this

T20= The Lamborghini Reventon that you rent for 1 day
Test= The 1978 SS Camaro that you've had ever since you were 15....
Old is Gold.

1978 er garir jei shokti 2009 er gari ke ek dhakkai churmar kore dibe..
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