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Old July 24, 2009, 04:37 PM
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Default Successes of the Under 19 team

I was just checking our U19 series results, and I was kind of astonished to see how many games we've won over the past few years. Definitely a lot of successes, and it proves that Bangladesh youth teams are NOT on par with those from the other established Test sides in the world; they are superior to all of them, except India.

http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/...=723;type=team

The current England series, marks the 4th consecutive ODI series that we've won, almost always coming from behind. Pakistan were beaten 3-2, in Pakistan I must add, after we lost the opening 2 matches. Sri Lanka was beaten 3-2, and then earlier this season emphatically destroyed 4-1. West Indies was also beaten 2-1, a year back, and now England has been pushed aside 2-1 in the infamous English conditions. Add to that the tri series against Sri Lanka and England in 2005, which we won, and our overall record in these matches is a scarcely believable 20 wins and 8 losses.

For some reason however, we don't play very well in the world cup, and hopefully this team will buck that trend and at least go to the semi-finals.
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Old July 24, 2009, 04:41 PM
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Great find bhai

this is awesome from U19 team.
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Old July 24, 2009, 04:44 PM
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In fairness though, this Eng U-19 side was full of deshis and played on a pitch imported from Fatulla. So not quite the "english" conditions.
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Problem is these guys end up going in and playing international cricket around the age of 20 against guys who are 28-30 years old rather than their own age
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Hmm, than I must conclude we play our young men too early and the pressure of Test arena destroys them. I guess discarding the senior players back in 2001 will always bite us in the rear.
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You nailed it. Just go and read some of the fan threads here. "can't we drop mushy and get aminul". If Riyadh fails a few matches, "let's get Nur instead of him" will pop up. We have a group of fans that mirror our administrator: always hoping for the next big thing instead of working with the present lot and letting the younger kids mature in their own pace.
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Problem is these guys end up going in and playing international cricket around the age of 20 against guys who are 28-30 years old rather than their own age
Another problem is once they pass under-19 phase they dont have any strong domestic circuit to play. They became lazy and thoughtless like their elders. where as SA-19 will be playing with Kallis and co and become a better player than one could imagine. eg Wayne Parnell and Rouf Van der merwe
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Thier main weakness in quality pace. Parnell destroyed batsmen here http://www.cricinfo.com/u19wc2008/en...ch/316997.html
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You nailed it. Just go and read some of the fan threads here. "can't we drop mushy and get aminul". If Riyadh fails a few matches, "let's get Nur instead of him" will pop up. We have a group of fans that mirror our administrator: always hoping for the next big thing instead of working with the present lot and letting the younger kids mature in their own pace.
We all talk about players and their attitude, but I think it's high time our administrators grow some bloody balls. Instead of hoping the next kid will be a Sachin, how about we build good players? I think after another decade, when the current lot of players will go to admin, we'll see a turn of tide. I think if we work with our current 30 player pull, we can churn out a gem or two.

In the mean time, many talents are getting wasted. Remember Anwar Hossain?
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Old July 24, 2009, 05:05 PM
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You nailed it. Just go and read some of the fan threads here. "can't we drop mushy and get aminul". If Riyadh fails a few matches, "let's get Nur instead of him" will pop up. We have a group of fans that mirror our administrator: always hoping for the next big thing instead of working with the present lot and letting the younger kids mature in their own pace.
but then we have even the educated fans who, probably out of frustration, argue that we aren't improving or aren't improving "fast enough".

what's fast enough? at some arbitrary rate decided by the likes of S Rajesh (whose team got uttery dominated even in drawn matches in their first 10 years, and didn't win till their 20th year)?
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the difference is:

half of these U-19 players end up debuting with the Bangladeshi National team...

about 1/3 of these English U-19 players have even trouble being a regular at their county side, and secondly, only about 1 or two have the luxury of making the Regular English National team...


so BIG Difference!

I will agree that Bangladesh U-19 is decent! In fact, this is good for our domestic cricket since these new guys will pose competitive and quality cricket during our cricket season.

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Old July 24, 2009, 05:08 PM
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Forget Anwar Hossain - I can't get over the waste of Al Shahriar - Rokon. Talk about big hitting capability and hand-eye coordination!
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This English kids get the chance of playing County cricket at early stage and they keep on playing county. What our BD player do? They play the crappy NCL and loosing their vibe as time goes on.

We need competitive domestic cricket. Quality is there they need nourishment.
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I think they did not do a great in 4 days game in England.
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Old July 24, 2009, 05:16 PM
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http://www.banglacricket.com/alochon...ht=improvement

as an example, look at the response of BANFAN to my numbers. and he's not alone, i'd imagine at least half of our fans share these views. can't accept anything good our woefully inconsistent senior players do. in that light, its not difficult to see why so many U19 players keep debuting every other series for us, and with our lack of adequate FC cricket, our players just stagnate at best (tamim, enam), and retrogress at worst (rajin, SN, ash, alok, rajib). the only players who have improved are sakib and rahim. but hope is definitely there for tamim, rajib, SN, and some others.

as ATMR and Razab bhai say, we have to stick with this core for 5 years to see some tangible results. this core has been together for a very short time due to all the newbies being brought it constantly...but from now, they should be a pretty constant lineup.
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we are also taking less number of U19 players in the test team these days.. see from the last U19 team we have only Rubel! we are getting better.
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we are also taking less number of U19 players in the test team these days.. see from the last U19 team we have only Rubel! we are getting better.
More a function of a lack of any true talent from the post-Shakib, Mushy, U-19 teams. I mean their star pacer was Dollar Mahmud. 'nuff sed!
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We suck at fast bowling. BCB should make mendatory no less than 3 pacers per side when they play domestic cricket. And they must bowl at least 75% of their overs.

We need a good domestic league. Otherwise we will keep loosing half of the talent we have in U-19.
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Problem is these guys end up going in and playing international cricket around the age of 20 against guys who are 28-30 years old rather than their own age
Yeah,....BD was in a situation were our senior players really sucked and young players were significantly better. With the fans getting restless after tons of embarrassing defeats the board ended up cutting out all senior players over the years and that is how we have only youngsters in the team now. At one point in the later years only the best of the current lot will be there with newer players coming in and then we will get the senior-young players blend.
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like i said in another thread we should also praise the coach... nannu
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I was just checking our U19 series results, and I was kind of astonished to see how many games we've won over the past few years. Definitely a lot of successes, and it proves that Bangladesh youth teams are NOT on par with those from the other established Test sides in the world; they are superior to all of them, except India.
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The current England series, marks the 4th consecutive ODI series that we've won, almost always coming from behind. Pakistan were beaten 3-2, in Pakistan I must add, after we lost the opening 2 matches. Sri Lanka was beaten 3-2, and then earlier this season emphatically destroyed 4-1. West Indies was also beaten 2-1, a year back, and now England has been pushed aside 2-1 in the infamous English conditions. Add to that the tri series against Sri Lanka and England in 2005, which we won, and our overall record in these matches is a scarcely believable 20 wins and 8 losses.

For some reason however, we don't play very well in the world cup, and hopefully this team will buck that trend and at least go to the semi-finals.
This is a very good and timly and much needed thread! Thank you Al -Furqaan bhai. Your observation is abvsolutely right, in those 5 series we on almost always coming from behind! It's shows good discipline and natural in-born courage!
And yes the problem is as we are discussing, this huge jump/difference in performance betweeen those U-19 years and the 'later' years! I noticed Not only at the national level alone, we also fall behind heavily in 'A' Team and Academy team performances as well!
Carry on the discission guys...of course better and stronger NCL among many other important things that are lacking in our cricket environment...please continue...!
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like i said in another thread we should also praise the coach... nannu


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How soon young players come in national team depends a whole lot more on the coach than on fans. Whatmore first tried to work with older players such as Biddut, Rokon, Decans, Sanwar, Mushfiqu Babu, Jamal Babu, etc. But when he failed with them, he started to bring in Aftab, NI, SN, Enamul, Shahadat, Rasel, etc. A number of them faded away after their initial success, so did older players such as Sujon, Tapash, and Pilot. So, DW had to bring in even younger players in Tamim, Sakib, and Mushfiq (who he handled fairly well).

Then came JS. He forced JO, HB, and Tushar away from the team after his initial look at them. Pilot and Rafique retired because of their conflict the board, JS did not have much to do there. Then we had a bunch of players leaving for ICL to earn more money than what BCB had to offer them. Situation forced selectors to bring in more new recruits in the team (depleting the academy team).

Overall, fans had little to do with who came in the team when. Some of their opinions coincided with demands of situations, that's all.

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Very important find AF.

The power and immunity grown into the selection committee has a comparable demean effect such as excessive multiplication of bureaucratic norms, with the independence vested on Whatmore the tradition of bringing in the younger players way too early in the international arena has become a virile practice which actually ruined rather than help the intra-cricket structure leaving a talent the room to mature and grow.

Above comment from Eshen is obligable in many sense.
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Now if we could only do what the other nations do... and channel this immense talent into serviceable national players. Something gets lost in the way.
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