Recent form of Bangladesh batsmen

[Sohel]

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
I just wanted to look at their current patch of performances and gauge improvement in relation to their initial patch of 10 matches. I lowered the bar and considered anything less than 20 to be a "failure" only because we're a 20 something team in terms batting average. By International standards for a test playing nation, that can be raised to anything less than 30 for batters. Once it does, the success to failure ratio with the gray area in between will change. Then we can see who's International standard better. But until that happens, I just focused on relative improvement.

All averages count "not outs".

1. Shakib Al Hasan, 26 test innings:

THEN

> Average score in first 10 test innings: 21.5 runs

> Filtered average score in first 10 test innings, after dropping highest and lowest scores to better determine consistency, divided by 8: 21.4 runs

NOW

> Average score in last 10 test innings: 35.9 runs

> Filtered average score in last 10 test innings, after dropping highest and lowest scores to better determine consistency, divided by 8: 32.9 runs

IMPROVEMENT/DECLINE

> Average score: +14.4 runs or 67%

> Filtered average score: +11.5 runs or 53.7%

SUCCESS/FAILURE %

> Success, 50+ scores divided by innings played: 11.5%
> Failure, 0-19 scores divided by innings played: 50%

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2. Shakib Al Hasan, 62 ODI innings:

THEN

> Average score in first 10 ODI innings: 28.4 runs

> Filtered average score in first 10 ODI innings, after dropping highest and lowest scores to better determine consistency, divided by 8: 27.1 runs

NOW

> Average score in last 10 ODI innings: 41.0 runs

> Filtered average score in last 10 ODI innings, after dropping highest and lowest scores to better determine consistency, divided by 8: 38.6 runs

IMPROVEMENT/DECLINE, ODIs

> Average score: +12.6 runs or 44.4%

> Filtered average score: +11.5 runs or 42.4%

SUCCESS/FAILURE %

> Success, 50+ scores divided by innings played: 22.6%
> Failure, 0-19 scores divided by innings played: 48.4%

Now lets have a look at Mo.

1. Mohammad Ashraful Matin, 97 test innings:

THEN

> Average score in first 10 test innings: 21.5 runs

> Filtered average score in first 10 test innings, after dropping highest and lowest scores to better determine consistency, divided by 8: 12.1 runs

NOW

> Average score in last 10 test innings: 21.1 runs

> Filtered average score in last 10 test innings, after dropping highest and lowest scores to better determine consistency, divided by 8: 13.6 runs

IMPROVEMENT/DECLINE

> Average score: (-) 0.4 runs or (-) 1.9%

> Filtered average score: +1.5 runs or 12.4%

SUCCESS/FAILURE %

> Success, 50+ scores divided by innings played: 12.4%
> Failure, 0-19 scores divided by innings played: 61.9%

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2. Mohammad Ashraful Matin, 134 ODI innings:

THEN

> Average score in first 10 ODI innings: 17.0 runs

> Filtered average score in first 10 ODI innings, after dropping highest and lowest scores to better determine consistency, divided by 8: 15.8 runs

NOW

> Average score in last 10 ODI innings: 26.8 runs

> Filtered average score in last 10 ODI innings, after dropping highest and lowest scores to better determine consistency, divided by 8: 24.4 runs

IMPROVEMENT/DECLINE, ODIs

> Average score: +9.8 runs or 57.6%

> Filtered average score: +8.6 runs or 54.4%

SUCCESS/FAILURE %

> Success, 50+ scores divided by innings played: 14.9%
> Failure, 0-19 scores divided by innings played: 61.9%

What do these numbers tell us? Something we know already.

[Kabir]

Sohel bhai...abar ashrafuilla'r pise lagsen?

[Tigers_eye]

Thanks for adding a protective shield on top of the bubble.

There is no comparison between the two on production. Thanks for the stats.

[Beamer]

Man vs Wild..

[Sohel]

Originally Posted by Beamer
Man vs Wild..

Indeed bro. Shakib doesn't depend on one big score within a group of significantly smaller ones to drive his averages up. The small differences between the unfiltered and filtered numbers show that. Also he has improved more steadily and fails less. His ODI numbers are stellar and test numbers are not that far behind.

Mo's numbers, in light of significantly more experience, clearly point to his stunted ability to learn and unacceptably high failure to success ratio, with the gray area in between considered somewhat acceptable.

While we may justify Mo's inclusion in the ODI side, he clearly needs a break from tests ...

[layperson]

The best stats related thread in BC for a while now !!!! I would love to see the same analysis for all our other batsmen. The comparison you showed pretty much reinforces what we already know however I would be very interested to see other batsmen's analysis using this similar reasoning.

[Tokai]

Why don't you compare Alfaz vs Tendulkar?

or

Lara vs Kapali?

They are as big as contrasts as ash and shakib. they are two completely different type.

take them for what they are, and yeah, leave ash alone.

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
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Very well analyzed. It really flushes out all the fluff and points out the difference between amateur and professional.

Btw, good thinking on excluding outlying datapoints.

[Miraz]

Overkill...

Please leave Shakib alone. Can you please concentrate on your BigZ and Alok (now he is back)? Please do Shakib a favour!!

[Tokai]

Originally Posted by Miraz
Overkill...

Please leave Shakib alone. Can you please concentrate on your BigZ and Alok (now he is back)? Please do Shakib a favour!!

The idea!

Let me open a thread about it

Some other guy already gave me a idea about the thread title.

[SS]

Porishonkan....Earth e aeito competition ken...I wish I was in moon...

[Sohel]

Originally Posted by layperson
The best stats related thread in BC for a while now !!!! I would love to see the same analysis for all our other batsmen. The comparison you showed pretty much reinforces what we already know however I would be very interested to see other batsmen's analysis using this similar reasoning.

Thanks, I will ...

I just wanted to look at their current patch of performances and gauge improvement in relation to their initial patch of 10 matches. I lowered the bar and considered anything less than 20 to be a "failure" only because we're a 20 something team in terms batting average. By International standards for a test playing nation, that can be raised to anything less than 30 for batters. Once it does, the success to failure ratio with the gray area in between will change. Then we can see who's International standard better. But until that happens, I just focused on relative improvement.

[Beamer]

Originally Posted by Miraz
Overkill...

Please leave Shakib alone. Can you please concentrate on your BigZ and Alok (now he is back)? Please do Shakib a favour!!

Why? There is nothing wrong in what Sohel just did. Overkilling is going on in plenty of other threads regarding Sakib. However, if someone decides to have a worthless discussion suggesting Nayeem is a better bastman than Alok, thats another story, and that thread should be just left alone for the sake on sanity.

[Tigers_eye]

Anything under 20 gets red. 20+ gets a green. Bolds are the leader of the column.

Test	1st 10 innings	Ave	10 inn - (high and low)	Ave of previous column		Last 10 innings	Ave	10 inn - (high and low)	Ave of previous column		Difference (Avg)	Difference (Avg filtered)
Alok	269	26.90	184	23.00		124	12.40	105	13.13		-14.50	-9.88
Aftab	169	16.90	126	15.75		172	17.20	128	16.00		0.30	0.25
S Nafees	323	32.30	182	22.75		296	29.60	194	24.25		-2.70	1.50
Ash	215	21.50	99	12.38		211	21.10	109	13.63		-0.40	1.25
Shakib	215	21.50	171	21.38		359	35.90	263	32.88		14.40	11.50
Tamim	252	25.20	168	21.00		329	32.90	201	25.13		7.70	4.13
Mushi	138	13.80	58	7.25		339	33.90	270	33.75		20.10	26.50
Raqib						229	22.90	164	20.50
Junaed	189	18.90	115	14.38		298	29.80	216	27.00		10.90	12.63

The current versus the old.
The Good:
Current is boss. Exceptional performance change for Mushi, Shakib and Junaed. Tamim getting better as well. Raqibul just finished his 10th innings.


The Bad:
OLD is baad. Very bad. Shariar Nafees still holds better average than Ash in all category.

Ash has no justification on holding on to #2 spot.

The Ugly:
Looking at all the numbers i felt sorry for Aftab. He has only 1 fifty against England that is all.

Kicking Alok out was justified and some.

[Kabir]

Mijan bhai, kaam kaij nai ni boss? Office e boisha eishob pejgi martachen je, bepar ki?

[Fazal]

What about "fresh new futures" not future from recycled product ? Good or Bad?

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by Kabir
Mijan bhai, kaam kaij nai ni boss? Office e boisha eishob pejgi martachen je, bepar ki?

We are heading to the right direction. The old can only get in if they perform in the domestic league CONSISTANTLY. Even Junaed's position is solid if some has the urge to replace him with SN.

Now you know why I would have loved to see Ashraful joining the Warriors and his buddies.

[Shoikoth]

O SUM thread. No really - its awesome.

How about measuring intensity and levels of Peakeddness - this property alone can help us win games. And Ashraful has done that really well. That's why he is in the team still.

Other players - grafters
Ashraful - blow dryer

[Tintin]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
Anything under 20 gets red. 20+ gets a green. Bolds are the leader of the column.

What is the two "10 innings - high and low" ?

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by Tintin
What is the two "10 innings - high and low" ?

First 10 innings minus (1 high + 1 low score)

Last 10 innings minus (1 high + 1 low score)

[AsifTheManRahman]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
Exceptional performance change for Mushi

Yay! Amar pola Mushfiq is the best Test batsman in the Universe!!

The Ugly:
Looking at all the numbers i felt sorry for Aftab. He has only 1 fifty against England that is all.

Aftab is no batsman. I don't care who has to say what to defend him: someone who finally manages an FC century after years - YEARS - of INTERNATIONAL CRICKET, is not a batsman in my books and shouldn't play ODIs or Tests.

[Murad]

Ash came in an era when he didn't get any guidance.
Shakib came in an era when he got everything that helped him becoming a good cricketer.

Ash didn't get what Shakib and co got. Shakib ra valo valo coach er under e chilo. valo kichu shikhse.

Ash o rokom kisui e paini. tarpore BCB o kono help kore nai taake.. They are the one to be blamed for his misery!!

Sudhu 8 years dhore shei kheltese ar kisui shikhenai eta thik na..

Shakib r tar sathe kono comparison chole na. Both came in different time. One came in after learning all the basics and other came in without any. And came in an era when our team just started playing international cricket.

[Rifat]

~*Islam is the only way to attain peace in life, be it personal, family or political.*~

- muradnyc
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Sohel bro: looking forward to reviving this thread prior to World Cup 2011..which isn't that far(2 years have passed under the blink of an eye, can you guys believe it??) btw...it will be interesting to see the stats of Shakib and Ashraful then...)

[Tintin]

Thanks TE. Had seen it mentioned in the first post but forgot about it.

Murad - blame everything for Asharful's bad performances, except himself What kind of guidance did HB & co receive ? For that matter, what exactly has Ashraful learned in his nine years of international cricket ?

[One World]

This thread actually proves that ASH is a good teacher/leader/mentor/whatever :P/