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Old August 3, 2009, 11:03 AM
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To me it was just another "can you hit a six" practice match (wasn't even as important as the Ireland match). The tour goals were achieved already. I am not defending the players attitude. Just saying you guys are putting too much emphasis on some thing that is not worth.

This was the best tour ever in our history counting the loss.
I kinda disagree... match is a match...tell this to the Aussies ...
They can have Practice match to hit sixes with Dhaka Warriors or U19 team in Dhaka...this opportunity does not come that often...T20 will be a big factor because that what the cricket world authority says...nothing matter what we say about this format of cricket.
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Old August 3, 2009, 11:03 AM
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We CAN NOT be short sighted on T20 and fall behind. WI lost to us in the 2007 WC, bounced back and with the help of the short lived Stanford 20/20, created a team that destroyed ENG in a one off, wend to the semi finals of the next world cup and had a 2nd string team capable of humiliating us in that format.

What did we do? We went about shunning the format and lost to Ireland & WI (2nd team) convincingly and haven't won an internationl T20 match since that 2007 victory over WI.
They focused on this format and they got benefited. Now how does the 0-2, and 0-3, feels? better feeling than that 1-0?

As BD supporter I would take 2-0, 3-0 over 0-1 any day, every day from here on wards to eternity.
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Old August 3, 2009, 11:45 AM
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Old August 3, 2009, 11:58 AM
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I agree with SS, Raynman, Dr. Z and Blah here. No one is disputing that Tests > T20s, but the latter WILL grow in popularity and overtake ODIs; and it should - ODIs are useless - there should really only be two versions of cricket, the other one being, of course Tests.

But it doesn't matter what you or I think of T20s, what matters is teams like Ireland and Zimbabwe will soon excel and surpass us in this format if our players don't start giving a damn. Besides, when you wear that Bangladesh uniform, especially in an international match recognized by the ICC, you can't not give a damn. It's disrespectful to the fans, the game and to the players and staff themselves.

Losing once in a while is OK when you're winning while sitting at the bottom of the table. But the blatant nature of the damn-care attitude displayed by our players yesterday was no less than shameful.
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Old August 3, 2009, 12:42 PM
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Default Get other countries to play

I think T20 was invented to get other European nations and US to play the game. This is a mardanga type game, in which 10 runs/over is possible. Plus, the games are typically over in 3 hours or less. If the Americans can enjoy a super boring game of baseball, then if ICC markets T20 properly with a 10-year horizon, T20 may become popular here. ICC will need to have some exhibitions and tournaments in the areas with large population from the Indian subcontinent and WI. They absolutely need to put the games on TV, even if they have to pay. Without proper marketing and promotion, T20 will also be a 10-nation sport.
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Old August 3, 2009, 12:58 PM
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what should we do to build a perfect 20/20 team?

you cant play 20/20 with test players. we need to form a 25 or 30 core players for 20/20

need to set up mind and we should start NCL 20/20 league, atleast twice in a year. office league or PCL wont help.

so its time to build our 20/20 infra structure.
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Old August 3, 2009, 01:06 PM
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some players are not being considered test or ODI, why dont we use their capabilities in 20/20 format and let them set their mind.

i think its too much for our test and ODI players tiny brain to adjust with all 3 forms of cricket. i think we should form a core of 25 or 30 players immediately.

my 25 core players for this format are:

opener: Junaed-shahriar nafis-najmus sadat-najimudiin--amit mojumder--tamim iqbal
middle order: aftab--ashraful-kapali-sakib-nayeem-mahmudullah--farhad reza-shamsur rahman shuvo-najmul hossain milon-nadif chowdhury
wkt keeper: mithun ali--wkt keeper
pacer: mashrafe-ziaur rahman-rubel hossain-syed rasel-najmul
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Old August 3, 2009, 01:07 PM
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I agree with SS, Raynman, Dr. Z and Blah here. No one is disputing that Tests > T20s, but the latter WILL grow in popularity and overtake ODIs; and it should - ODIs are useless - there should really only be two versions of cricket, the other one being, of course Tests.

But it doesn't matter what you or I think of T20s, what matters is teams like Ireland and Zimbabwe will soon excel and surpass us in this format if our players don't start giving a damn. Besides, when you wear that Bangladesh uniform, especially in an international match recognized by the ICC, you can't not give a damn. It's disrespectful to the fans, the game and to the players and staff themselves.

Losing once in a while is OK when you're winning while sitting at the bottom of the table. But the blatant nature of the damn-care attitude displayed by our players yesterday was no less than shameful.
I have not seen bd play a t20 match the way it should be played. its always being ugly and disrespectful (bar a few individual performances).

On the contrary to what many people believe T20 is not trash cricket, its actually more demanding than ODI. It takes a lot of skill to win these matches. If you look at the best T20 sides you will see that there is a lot of balance and variation in the type of players and style of play. The players themselves are very skilled at what they do. You get specialist batsmen who can hit boundries by playing good cricket strokes as well as using initiative to create their own unorthodox shots, batsmen who can build and hold an innings by taking regular singles and twos thus keeping their strike rate 100+, exlposive allrounders that can exploit the last few overs to accelerate scoring. You get wicket taking bowlers, RR restrictive bowlers, bowlers that excel in death bowling and the best sides have variation in bowling. The best T20 teams build innings by taking powerplays to their advantage and scoring runs quickly, then decelerating and stabilising the innings after the PP so that too many wickets are not lost and also keep the scoreboard ticking. then the last 4-5 overs they accelerate the RR to get to a good total. The best sides play according to the pitch condition and adjust their strategy according to the situation. As you can see from above it takes a lot of skill to construct a winning T20 match and like all the other format batting and bowling play a crucial part.
The teams that rubbish T20 are the ones that cannot (and/or lack the skills to) play a T20 match, teams like us.
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Old August 3, 2009, 01:07 PM
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In total Agreement of ATMR, 1000%/

As he said...I think nobody minds losing,, but the way you lose. Yesterday's match was purely a diplay of disrespect and indifference. The players were not there to play. We all saw that. And thats what is scary... because if they think that their mission is completed.. well guess what? the next mission is in Zimbabwe.. and if we lose ( again) to Zimbabwe.. all that we acheived in WI is going to be "Bangla-Washed". Complacency and lack of passion as this level was very very disturbing. They shoudlve gone for the reserve players and given them demo their ability,,, they woudlve played with more passion ( i.e., Mehrab)...
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Old August 3, 2009, 01:09 PM
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its funny but true, we all know these players are not even good for ODI because of their slow strike rate, but our selectors constantly selecting them for 20/20

example
1. rokibul hasan
2. mehrab jr
3. javed Omar--he played 20/20
4. mushfiq rahim
5. rajin saleh
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Old August 3, 2009, 01:13 PM
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its funny but true, we all know these players are not even good for ODI because of their slow strike rate, but our selectors constantly selecting them for 20/20
Without guys like aftab.

We lack proven hard-hitting players.
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I have not seen bd play a t20 match the way it should be played. its always being ugly and disrespectful (bar a few individual performances).

On the contrary to what many people believe T20 is not trash cricket, its actually more demanding than ODI. It takes a lot of skill to win these matches. If you look at the best T20 sides you will see that there is a lot of balance and variation in the type of players and style of play. The players themselves are very skilled at what they do. You get specialist batsmen who can hit boundries by playing good cricket strokes as well as using initiative to create their own unorthodox shots, batsmen who can build and hold an innings by taking regular singles and twos thus keeping their strike rate 100+, exlposive allrounders that can exploit the last few overs to accelerate scoring. You get wicket taking bowlers, RR restrictive bowlers, bowlers that excel in death bowling and the best sides have variation in bowling. The best T20 teams build innings by taking powerplays to their advantage and scoring runs quickly, then decelerating and stabilising the innings after the PP so that too many wickets are not lost and also keep the scoreboard ticking. then the last 4-5 overs they accelerate the RR to get to a good total. The best sides play according to the pitch condition and adjust their strategy according to the situation. As you can see from above it takes a lot of skill to construct a winning T20 match and like all the other format batting and bowling play a crucial part.
The teams that rubbish T20 are the ones that cannot (and/or lack the skills to) play a T20 match, teams like us.
Thank you thank you thank you. At least one other being on this board recognizes the finesse, craftiness, cunning and sophistication of good T20 players/teams.
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Thank you thank you thank you. At least one other being on this board recognizes the finesse, craftiness, cunning and sophistication of good T20 players/teams.
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Old August 3, 2009, 02:21 PM
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Thank you thank you thank you. At least one other being on this board recognizes the finesse, craftiness, cunning and sophistication of good T20 players/teams.
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Old August 3, 2009, 02:32 PM
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IMO, you are under greater pressure to score runs in T20, and our batsmen are not yet mature enough to handle that pressure.

I would not worry too much about it though. Priority for our batsmen should be to work on their footwork, shot selection, and to increase their repertoire of shots. FC/Test cricket is the best format to teach/learn those things, so our players need to play more longer version matches.
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Old August 3, 2009, 02:59 PM
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Its really not respecting singles. Its an issue in T20 as well as ODi an even in Tests. We seem to think that batting is either blocking the ball dead into the ground or going for the big shots. There is such an art in finding the gaps and frustrating the bowlers/fielders by quick singles. The bowling team feels like they're doing well by not conceding major runs but the scoreboard never stops ticking.

If 160 is a par score for T20 that means 8 an over. If you're not gifting dot balls, only a single boundary is needed in the over and even that isn't a neccesity if you can convert a couple of the singles to 2s. If the pressure is on the bowlers, the bad balls will come and so will the boundaries.

Besides shot selection, our running between the wickets needs work. Don't know if the coaches focus on this but the batsman & the runner must be aware of each other. Naeem's run out was just as much his fault for abrupt running as it was Mushy's for not screaming 'No' as soon as realized what Naeem was thinking. If he didn't realize what Naeem was doing/thinking thats again the communication problem.
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Its really not respecting singles. Its an issue in T20 as well as ODi an even in Tests. We seem to think that batting is either blocking the ball dead into the ground or going for the big shots. There is such an art in finding the gaps and frustrating the bowlers/fielders by quick singles. The bowling team feels like they're doing well by not conceding major runs but the scoreboard never stops ticking.

If 160 is a par score for T20 that means 8 an over. If you're not gifting dot balls, only a single boundary is needed in the over and even that isn't a neccesity if you can convert a couple of the singles to 2s. If the pressure is on the bowlers, the bad balls will come and so will the boundaries.

Besides shot selection, our running between the wickets needs work. Don't know if the coaches focus on this but the batsman & the runner must be aware of each other. Naeem's run out was just as much his fault for abrupt running as it was Mushy's for not screaming 'No' as soon as realized what Naeem was thinking. If he didn't realize what Naeem was doing/thinking thats again the communication problem.
you got it spot on sir....


Our batsmen's "ura dhura shots" to quote Tiger's Eye brother: seems to go in vain when they can't even get the basics right.

about Running between the wickets(RBW): I personally thought our RBW was superb this tour apart from the last T20 match...


my original post was about how this loss exposed all our weak points: like playing basic cricket. i mean after 11/0 in the first over 13/3 in three overs: as Gopal bhar said: this is cricket, where luck is necessary. let's say for instance: Luck went against us yesterday. if that is the case: then, I can quote plethora of examples where luck went against us...I would say: Arguably Bangladesh is the luckiest Cricketing nation on earth... However, sudden collapse doesn't happpen on a regular basis with a team like Australlia or England...and it is not credit due to excellent bowling which started the collapse it is the little error in shot selections and excellent fielding from the oppposition. we should remember apart from some glorious moments here and there: how in past we got thrashed by NZ in 6 overs...and how in a similar fashion we gave up against a much qualified West Indian side in World Cup 2007. what I wanted to say is what Baundule originally said : our consistent faults get overshadowed by excellent wins here and there. It was the lapse in concentration, and the lack of professional attitude let to our downfall...


most of the tours we have played to date: Ending never really looked good! just a general observation...players get tired? loses enthusiasm?? no energy?? I don't think so. they just took it like child's play...

If Bangladesh are to move into Top 8 with relative ease: then no matter what you should always go for win, anything less should not be acceptable. we have the resources, the talent: just the application or the approach isn't correct!

Learn how to bat!!!
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Old August 3, 2009, 03:24 PM
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Let the boys have a break....its been a long tour!!
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Let the boys have a break....its been a long tour!!
Werd.

All of us sitting on our cosy armchairs in our AC living room sipping Bacardi in this summer morning spitting away this and that presuming to know how does it feel like to hold a bat yet the real work is being exhibited by the players of the team under scorching heat in Grenada. Come'on!

My tour grading would not be so harsh: A-
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Oh c'mon - if we can't be Monday morning quarterbacks, how can we be fans?
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Old August 3, 2009, 03:57 PM
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Oh c'mon - if we can't be Monday morning quarterbacks, how can we be fans?
Yep.

Also, I am not the one earning millions to represent the country. If we fans have not wasted our time watching those boys, their employer would not get the money to pay them.
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Werd.

All of us sitting on our cosy armchairs in our AC living room sipping Bacardi in this summer morning spitting away this and that presuming to know how does it feel like to hold a bat yet the real work is being exhibited by the players of the team under scorching heat in Grenada. Come'on!

My tour grading would not be so harsh: A-
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