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Old June 9, 2014, 07:18 PM
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Can we all tweet and ask Shak to change his twitter handle to @Moina75?? I know he typed in Moina but it Moina and Moina1 wasn't available so he just clicked one of the available suggestions. I know it bothers me more than it should, but it does.
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Old June 15, 2014, 01:53 PM
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this was a vintage Sakib batting after long time, he looked calm and composed.
After his success in IPL I was sure he will come and play way too many shots but he played it how it should be.
52 from 58 balls, 2 wickets with eco rate of 4.50 , what a complete package he is, too bad the rest of the players don't do enough.
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Old June 15, 2014, 02:36 PM
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this was a vintage Sakib batting after long time, he looked calm and composed.
After his success in IPL I was sure he will come and play way too many shots but he played it how it should be.
52 from 58 balls, 2 wickets with eco rate of 4.50 , what a complete package he is, too bad the rest of the players don't do enough.
Agree..wish we had good performers like him but the only issue is something happened
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Old June 15, 2014, 03:05 PM
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Agree..wish we had good performers like him but the only issue is something happened
http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...ry/752783.html
bhai, this article doesn't tell the true story, reading this article many people will think Sakib being arrogant had a fight with a fan which wasn't the case.
read here : http://www.banglanews24.com/beta/ful...bn/299283.html
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Old June 15, 2014, 03:23 PM
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Mushfiq spoke like a true sissy! No one should bow their heads to eve teasers, whether they are cricket fans or not.
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Old June 15, 2014, 06:24 PM
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this was a vintage Sakib batting after long time, he looked calm and composed.
After his success in IPL I was sure he will come and play way too many shots but he played it how it should be.
52 from 58 balls, 2 wickets with eco rate of 4.50 , what a complete package he is, too bad the rest of the players don't do enough.
it's a quality performance but less so in the context of the match, we needed someone to score a century, both mushy and shakib had the opportunity and failed, this is where senior experienced batsmen from other countries would have gone on to make a ton. i think the lack of ton scoring ability is one of the big reasons why BD is so far behind the other test nations, the talent is there, the consistency is slowing improving but unless the players can really cash in when in form and at the important moments then BD will continue to struggle.
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Old June 15, 2014, 06:59 PM
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it's a quality performance but less so in the context of the match, we needed someone to score a century, both mushy and shakib had the opportunity and failed, this is where senior experienced batsmen from other countries would have gone on to make a ton. i think the lack of ton scoring ability is one of the big reasons why BD is so far behind the other test nations, the talent is there, the consistency is slowing improving but unless the players can really cash in when in form and at the important moments then BD will continue to struggle.
Anamul and Mushy especially really threw it away. Both got out unnecessarily early in the innings and could've really set the tone for the innings by converting. Instead they put their team under pressure and left it to others to carry the innings. Shakib got out later so he was trying to go after the bowling but I agree he needed to stay there for a bit more and finish strong.

If we want to beat India, we need to score at least 300 and if we want to happen then we need somebody to carry on and make some bigger scores. Hope we can see that next game
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Old June 15, 2014, 07:14 PM
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Old June 15, 2014, 07:19 PM
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Anamul and Mushy especially really threw it away. Both got out unnecessarily early in the innings and could've really set the tone for the innings by converting. Instead they put their team under pressure and left it to others to carry the innings. Shakib got out later so he was trying to go after the bowling but I agree he needed to stay there for a bit more and finish strong.

If we want to beat India, we need to score at least 300 and if we want to happen then we need somebody to carry on and make some bigger scores. Hope we can see that next game
i agree with what you say, anamul can be forgiven though as he's still inexperienced, mushy and shakib both had the opportunity to go on with it but neither did, more pressure was put on shakib because mushy couldn't do it but that's the difference between good players and really good and/or great players the really good and great players stand up when it's really needed and they make the big scores not just 50s.
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after a long time, i loved the way Shakib batted....no complains. its not his responsibility to stop a collapse, build a partnership, accelerate and play a finisher all by himself. As long as he can play these kind of innings constantly, i would be happy even if he gets out after a 50.
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Old June 15, 2014, 09:35 PM
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after a long time, i loved the way Shakib batted....no complains. its not his responsibility to stop a collapse, build a partnership, accelerate and play a finisher all by himself. As long as he can play these kind of innings constantly, i would be happy even if he gets out after a 50.
that's what a finisher tries to do and when you bat at #5 you have to expect to play the finishing role from time to time as if you're a good #5 you'll often have scored some runs and built some partnerships through the middle to end part of innings and then have to accelerate and take the team over the line, at the same time if the top order does well a #5 might not come in until late in the innings and will have to do the same type of innings just in a shorter space of time.

someone has to take responsibility, the senior players first and foremost. shakib is 27 now, he's played 130+ ODIs, he's been captain of the team, he's been the teams best player for years, his next step is to step it up once again and take even more responsibility, mushy should be doing the same (so should tamim but there's even less chance he'll do it).

anyway with the form nasir and riyad have been in shakib should have expected that he'd need to play a bigger batting role in this match, i.e. more than just a quick 50, an innings that is significant and substantial (again, same with mushy, i'm not just picking on shakib).

i'm sorry if it seems harsh, but these should be the expectations fo the senior players, you can't expect the inexperienced to do these things consistently so it's the seniors job, if they don't take the responsibility then the team is doomed to fail.
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Old June 15, 2014, 09:57 PM
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i agree with what you say, anamul can be forgiven though as he's still inexperienced, mushy and shakib both had the opportunity to go on with it but neither did, more pressure was put on shakib because mushy couldn't do it but that's the difference between good players and really good and/or great players the really good and great players stand up when it's really needed and they make the big scores not just 50s.
I agree that Anamul's still young so it's expected that he'll make more mistakes but ya it was inexcusable for Mushy especially considering he's the captain and needs to lead by example.

Agree also that great players end up converting more often than not in to big scores. Shakib and mushy have the a talent like we say but time to start showing their experience and converting more often.
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Old June 15, 2014, 10:02 PM
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I agree that Anamul's still young so it's expected that he'll make more mistakes but ya it was inexcusable for Mushy especially considering he's the captain and needs to lead by example.

Agree also that great players end up converting more often than not in to big scores. Shakib and mushy have the a talent like we say but time to start showing their experience and converting more often.
i have more hope for mushy because he started his international career quite poorly and he's consistently got better and better as a batsman to the point where in the last couple of years he's averaged over 40 in ODIs with a ton and a number of half centuries. shakib however has always kind of been the same, he's always been pretty consistent but he's always struggled to convert to bigger scores. mushy also seems more mature with his batting in that he seems to want to be getting better and better all the time, shakib just seems like he's happy with where he is at.
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i have more hope for mushy because he started his international career quite poorly and he's consistently got better and better as a batsman to the point where in the last couple of years he's averaged over 40 in ODIs with a ton and a number of half centuries. shakib however has always kind of been the same, he's always been pretty consistent but he's always struggled to convert to bigger scores. mushy also seems more mature with his batting in that he seems to want to be getting better and better all the time, shakib just seems like he's happy with where he is at.
I see where your coming from because Shakibs body language does look that way but he just has a different approach compared to Mushy. Shakib has a very laid back approach while Mushy is more intense. Both have made big strides in their games though. Both are averaging about a 40 since last WC. From 2007 to 2011 WC Shakib was averaging about a 31 while Mushy was about a 22 but Mushy's was lower since that time he used to bat pretty low. I have hope for both of them that they'll keep getting better. Can't say the same about Tamim unfortunately
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bhai, this article doesn't tell the true story, reading this article many people will think Sakib being arrogant had a fight with a fan which wasn't the case.
read here : http://www.banglanews24.com/beta/ful...bn/299283.html
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Old June 16, 2014, 01:37 AM
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i have more hope for mushy because he started his international career quite poorly and he's consistently got better and better as a batsman to the point where in the last couple of years he's averaged over 40 in ODIs with a ton and a number of half centuries. shakib however has always kind of been the same, he's always been pretty consistent but he's always struggled to convert to bigger scores. mushy also seems more mature with his batting in that he seems to want to be getting better and better all the time, shakib just seems like he's happy with where he is at.
shakib er modhe r kono hunger nai...ipl a taka kamai...national team er sathe desh bidesh a vacation a jai...has a pretty wife...nijer deshe celebrity status...eitai to life...r ki dorkar right? amar mone hoi life a ja chaise shakib ta pai gese...

remember that infamous prothom alo interview? he is not going to get any better...he is happy with where he is at...he has stopped pushing himself...while he remains a valuable player in limited overs cricket, he is not going to win us test matches with his batting or bowling....you see he is neither here or there...in test matches you need specialists..you need guys to score daddy hundreds and take 5 fers...shakib to just akta half century r koekta wicket nilei mone kore his job is done...all rounder der o ami mone kori akta dik a specialist howa uchit (e.g kallis and his batting)...shakib er problem hoilo he is a genuine all rounder...not a batting or a bowling all rounder...

shakib is a good player...that's all...that will be his legacy...he is not the GREAT player the whole of bangladesh is waiting to see....
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Old June 16, 2014, 02:32 AM
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shakib er modhe r kono hunger nai...ipl a taka kamai...national team er sathe desh bidesh a vacation a jai...has a pretty wife...nijer deshe celebrity status...eitai to life...r ki dorkar right? amar mone hoi life a ja chaise shakib ta pai gese...

remember that infamous prothom alo interview? he is not going to get any better...he is happy with where he is at...he has stopped pushing himself...while he remains a valuable player in limited overs cricket, he is not going to win us test matches with his batting or bowling....you see he is neither here or there...in test matches you need specialists..you need guys to score daddy hundreds and take 5 fers...shakib to just akta half century r koekta wicket nilei mone kore his job is done...all rounder der o ami mone kori akta dik a specialist howa uchit (e.g kallis and his batting)...shakib er problem hoilo he is a genuine all rounder...not a batting or a bowling all rounder...

shakib is a good player...that's all...that will be his legacy...he is not the GREAT player the whole of bangladesh is waiting to see....
he isn't but he could be if he wants to be, i don't think it's right to say he's here nor there because after 130+ ODIs he has an average of 35, who else has an average of 35 in ODIs? players like adam gilchrist, virender sehwag, sanath jayasuriya only averages 32 but there are 2 main differences between these 3 world class players and shakib, they have higher strike rates but more importantly they all have more centuries than shakib does. shakib has 5 let's say he continues at his same rate and has 10 at about 260 matches (sehwag played 251, gilchrist 287) that would mean shakib has 10 tons in 260 matches but sehwag has 15 from 251 and gilchrist has 16 from 287. double shakib's 50s and that means he has 52 from those 260 matches, well sehwag has 38 from his 251 matches and gilchrist has 55 from his 287 matches. that shows that the difference maker would be shakib's ton scoring ability, he'd have enough 50s to match or out do them for example the difference in 14 half centuries between sehwag and shakib easily allows shakib to still have a few more tons to equal sehwag in tons but be just ahead in 50s.

he's also got a test average of nearly 38 so he's a more than capable batsman it's just the ton scoring which is the main problem, not converting enough. he's not bad as a bowler and has plenty of test 5fers and 4fers and is really economical in the shorter formats whilst still being a decent wicket taker.

me may not end up being that great player, but currently he's in the middle of his career and there is no reason why he still can't be a great player, if shakib wants to be one, then he'll be one, if he doesn't want to be one then he won't. atm it doesn't look like he wants to be one, looks like he's just satisfied with his game as it is.
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Old June 16, 2014, 03:33 AM
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it's a quality performance but less so in the context of the match, we needed someone to score a century, both mushy and shakib had the opportunity and failed, this is where senior experienced batsmen from other countries would have gone on to make a ton. i think the lack of ton scoring ability is one of the big reasons why BD is so far behind the other test nations, the talent is there, the consistency is slowing improving but unless the players can really cash in when in form and at the important moments then BD will continue to struggle.
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I have noticed this whenever I had gone to the stadium. People really love to take a diss at Shishir for no apparent reason. One guy starts and the others join. No morality at all!

On one occasion, a guy was doing the same with his lady next to him. Such appalling souls!
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he isn't but he could be if he wants to be, i don't think it's right to say he's here nor there because after 130+ ODIs he has an average of 35, who else has an average of 35 in ODIs? players like adam gilchrist, virender sehwag, sanath jayasuriya only averages 32 but there are 2 main differences between these 3 world class players and shakib, they have higher strike rates but more importantly they all have more centuries than shakib does. shakib has 5 let's say he continues at his same rate and has 10 at about 260 matches (sehwag played 251, gilchrist 287) that would mean shakib has 10 tons in 260 matches but sehwag has 15 from 251 and gilchrist has 16 from 287. double shakib's 50s and that means he has 52 from those 260 matches, well sehwag has 38 from his 251 matches and gilchrist has 55 from his 287 matches. that shows that the difference maker would be shakib's ton scoring ability, he'd have enough 50s to match or out do them for example the difference in 14 half centuries between sehwag and shakib easily allows shakib to still have a few more tons to equal sehwag in tons but be just ahead in 50s.

he's also got a test average of nearly 38 so he's a more than capable batsman it's just the ton scoring which is the main problem, not converting enough. he's not bad as a bowler and has plenty of test 5fers and 4fers and is really economical in the shorter formats whilst still being a decent wicket taker.

me may not end up being that great player, but currently he's in the middle of his career and there is no reason why he still can't be a great player, if shakib wants to be one, then he'll be one, if he doesn't want to be one then he won't. atm it doesn't look like he wants to be one, looks like he's just satisfied with his game as it is.
Shakib is an all rounder, and not one like Afridi or Vaas or Broad, but a genuine all rounder. It should not be his responsibility to score tons. Of course every time he comes to the crease he should aim to bat as a big as is humanely possible of him. But it should be the top order batsman around him who should bat. He already has to come out and bowl 40 overs per Test innings and 10 tight overs per ODI.

Shakib is closest to Vettori as an AR and I think their stats are similar. In Tests DV has 6 hundreds to 23 fifties and in ODIs he has yet to score a century. So his century mark in Tests is better, but Shak's average is almost 8 runs more. I'd rather have a higher average than a few centuries, otherwise Ashraful is the best batsman we've produced to date (6 Test tons).
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Shakib is an all rounder, and not one like Afridi or Vaas or Broad, but a genuine all rounder. It should not be his responsibility to score tons. Of course every time he comes to the crease he should aim to bat as a big as is humanely possible of him. But it should be the top order batsman around him who should bat. He already has to come out and bowl 40 overs per Test innings and 10 tight overs per ODI.

Shakib is closest to Vettori as an AR and I think their stats are similar. In Tests DV has 6 hundreds to 23 fifties and in ODIs he has yet to score a century. So his century mark in Tests is better, but Shak's average is almost 8 runs more. I'd rather have a higher average than a few centuries, otherwise Ashraful is the best batsman we've produced to date (6 Test tons).
you need the average and the tons, he might be an all rounder but that doesn't mean he shouldn't score tons especially when he is the teams best bat possibly bar rahim (of course i agree it's the top order's responsibility more than shakib's especially in tests). also shakib is a much more genuine batsman than vettori who really isn't the most natural bat out there.

shakib is a rare talent, he's got the talent to be a serious all rounder, as in someone who can genuinely be talked about with the best all rounders ever that the game has seen. botham was an all rounder but still got 14 tons. i'm not saying sacrifice a higher average for some tons, shakib has what it takes to do both.
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I agree with what Gowza is saying. If Shakib pushes himself, he can be even better than he already is. Nothing wrong with that expectation. As a player, you shouldn't have to settle for anything, you have to keep on trying to get better. 50s are obviously good in ODIs and certainly it's much better than what the others are doing but that's exactly why there should be more expectation for Shakib to become a better player. He's not just a Bangladeshi star, he's world renowned all rounder. If he wants to get the respect he deserved, then he needs to start converting more in the chances he gets. Of course he can't do it alone and the others need to support him but that's a whole different topic.
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You guys please stop what Shak should do more,bla bla bla... He's doing fine. Think about the losers in the team.
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