facebook Twitter RSS Feed YouTube StumbleUpon

Home | Forum | Chat | Tours | Articles | Pictures | News | Tools | History | Tourism | Search

 
 


Go Back   BanglaCricket Forum > Cricket > Cricket

Cricket Join fellow Tigers fans to discuss all things Cricket

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #4026  
Old December 29, 2012, 09:44 AM
Hamlafan Hamlafan is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: December 3, 2012
Posts: 600

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gowza
tamim is genuinely one of the most talented batsmen going around in world cricket, his talent is not overrated but he surely doesn't perform as consistently as he could or as to do justice to his talent, but despite that he's still the best opener BD has. would be great if anamul is better but he's still going to have to put in a lot of hard yards. as you can see tamim is respected by other cricketing nations as he's currently playing in NZ, he's played in england, and was around the IPL for a bit to, how many BD players have all that experience and are respected like that?
I agree with some of what you say.. he is the best Opnner in BD, yes. However I am not sure about saying most talented batsmen going around in world cricket, The IPL made Tamim look like a Joke sitting him in the bench as a sub. some of our players thrive in England, even a out of form Ashraful will get a century in England. and about NZ only becuase of Jamie Siddon he got into a team otherwise nothing much. and He played in England due to Ian pont. I really don't see where other countries respect Tamim so much or think really high of him, his ordinary but ofcourse for us Bangladeshi Fan's his the best openner. Commentators normally say good things about players its normal. I have not seen Tamim at his best yet after England back in the days.
Reply With Quote
  #4027  
Old December 29, 2012, 11:30 AM
BanCricFan's Avatar
BanCricFan BanCricFan is offline
Cricket Guru
 
Join Date: April 29, 2005
Favorite Player: Bangladesh
Posts: 9,767

^^
You're taking this armchair punditry to a whole new level. Tamim is one of the most exciting and talented openers in world cricket right now. Do you have any substantial evidence to back up your silly claim that he got to play CC in England through Pont? If you do please share it with us ignorant people...
__________________
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free" ~ Goethe
Reply With Quote
  #4028  
Old December 29, 2012, 11:59 AM
One World's Avatar
One World One World is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: May 18, 2005
Location: New England
Favorite Player: Charlie Chaplin
Posts: 16,897

Quote:
Originally Posted by BanCricFan
^^
You're taking this armchair punditry to a whole new level. Tamim is one of the most exciting and talented openers in world cricket right now. Do you have any substantial evidence to back up your silly claim that he got to play CC in England through Pont? If you do please share it with us ignorant people...
Yes. From cradle to grave we learn, there is no end. Please let there be light.
__________________
Life is short, have a six pack.
Reply With Quote
  #4029  
Old December 29, 2012, 12:34 PM
Hamlafan Hamlafan is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: December 3, 2012
Posts: 600

Quote:
Originally Posted by BanCricFan
^^
You're taking this armchair punditry to a whole new level. Tamim is one of the most exciting and talented openers in world cricket right now. Do you have any substantial evidence to back up your silly claim that he got to play CC in England through Pont? If you do please share it with us ignorant people...
I recommend you to PM Ian Pont and he will tell you. Also at that time Mick Newell was in contention to become Bangladesh Head-Coach and Signing Tamim Iqbal could have helped his cause, unfortunately it did not. Tamim is very talented Yes, But world cricket I am not sure, I really hope he becomes one. he has played over 100 ODI's and Yet to establish what he can really do. He needs to Improve a lot. I want him to become a excellent opener in World Cricket for sure. Surely he played enough games now? my bet is on Anamul Haque, although he has low scores, when he settles in, he can hit big runs, he is more likely to become a match winner for Bangladesh than Tamim Iqbal. I really hope Anamul-Tamim becomes a good combination for BD.
Reply With Quote
  #4030  
Old December 29, 2012, 01:32 PM
Ian Pont's Avatar
Ian Pont Ian Pont is offline
Ex Bangladesh National Bowling Coach
Dhaka Gladiators Head Coach
 
Join Date: February 1, 2011
Posts: 1,353

Quote:
Originally Posted by BanCricFan
^^
You're taking this armchair punditry to a whole new level. Tamim is one of the most exciting and talented openers in world cricket right now. Do you have any substantial evidence to back up your silly claim that he got to play CC in England through Pont? If you do please share it with us ignorant people...
I can confirm that I spoke to Mick Newell (Head Coach of Notts) about Tamim at some length. Notts is one of the two county teams I played first class cricket for, and Mick is someone who was a team mate many years back. I have a great relationship with him and remain someone who scouts players for first class cricket through my coaching.

On the subject of Tamim, he doesn't quite have the technique and mindset to become the player his raw talent promises to be, at this stage. Test cricket is where 'greats' are judged, across all countries and in all conditions. Of course he might very well develop into such a player, however it's unfortunate that the TOP 4 nations do not play regular or meaningful Test series' against Bangladesh, so it is extremely hard to judge whether Tamim's Test average of 37 from 50 tests, is therefore an amazing one.

For me, Tamim is an underachiever - purely as he has far more ability than his statistics show.

This happened to players (known as "flat track bullies") like Ramprakash (ave 27 from 52 tests) and Hick (ave 31 from 65 tests) for England, who didn't quite match their statistics to their FC skills. Ramps FC average was an amazing 53 with a top score of 301* and 35,000 runs with 114 centuries. Hick FC average was 52 with 41,000 runs and an incredible 405* top score and 136 centuries. Tamim averages 43 at FC level at the moment with a top score of 192 but he has so much time ahead.

I don't know if Tamim is another Hick or Ramprakash at Test level, and we might never see Tamim be able to regularly play against India, England , Australia or South Africa in Tests.

But he is definitely an exciting talent and you can never quite relax when he's batting!
__________________
"One day I was thinking, 'Thank God Sehwag was not born in Bangladesh'. If he was, he would have forgotten how to play cricket" - Tamim Iqbal
Reply With Quote
  #4031  
Old December 29, 2012, 01:56 PM
BanCricFan's Avatar
BanCricFan BanCricFan is offline
Cricket Guru
 
Join Date: April 29, 2005
Favorite Player: Bangladesh
Posts: 9,767

No doubt that Tamim is an underachiver. We have seen, days in days out, how he throws his wicket away after looking so set for a big score and opposition bowlers on their knees. His technique definitely got better during and after Siddons. A natural, explosive and gifted cricketer like Tamim, perhaps, don't need to be a copybook. I also fear about his mindset and work ethics (applies to almost all BD cricketers). If only Tamim could take a leaf out of someones like Justin Langer's book! He would average in the mid-50s! But, he is still relatively young and has, potentially, a long career ahead of him. Time will tell.

Offtopic- extremely harsh on Ramp. He just didnt have any lady luck or rub of the green in Test. At least, thats the way I see it.
__________________
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free" ~ Goethe

Last edited by BanCricFan; December 29, 2012 at 05:07 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #4032  
Old December 29, 2012, 02:30 PM
Hamlafan Hamlafan is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: December 3, 2012
Posts: 600

Thanks Ian for clarifying. so afterall he got place in County Cricket not becuase people think his a great player...etc that part is sorted i guess. even in IPL he was left on the bench, surely that shows something... management see him at practice and they went with the better option. he is not highly rated in world cricket, we bangladeshi fan's should stop dreamng that he is some kind of big thing. in Bangladesh his the best openner we got for sure, but lets not drag world cricket into it. I repeat if opposition work-out Tamim Iqbal oo-stump weakness his run getting is pretty much over. But I am pretty confident Siddons can work with him and try to do something. Inshallah Tamim will become a match winner and better player for bangladesh.
Reply With Quote
  #4033  
Old December 29, 2012, 05:22 PM
BanCricFan's Avatar
BanCricFan BanCricFan is offline
Cricket Guru
 
Join Date: April 29, 2005
Favorite Player: Bangladesh
Posts: 9,767

^^

Right. Tamim's run getting days are pretty much finito now that you have revealed this secret of his "off-stump weakness" to the rest of the world. So, should be Sehwags, too. That guy has absolutely no clue about how to play to a ball pitching outside the off and and coming in. He should have been found out ages ago before all his runs. Simple -isn't it?

Right. Tamim wouldn't have got any county club -even after back to back tons against Eng in Eng- without Pont's benevolence.
__________________
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free" ~ Goethe
Reply With Quote
  #4034  
Old December 29, 2012, 05:35 PM
One World's Avatar
One World One World is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: May 18, 2005
Location: New England
Favorite Player: Charlie Chaplin
Posts: 16,897

^Exactly what I was thinking.


But that was way before bro . Hamlafan already mentioned it that after England days the decline started.
__________________
Life is short, have a six pack.
Reply With Quote
  #4035  
Old December 29, 2012, 05:40 PM
BanCricFan's Avatar
BanCricFan BanCricFan is offline
Cricket Guru
 
Join Date: April 29, 2005
Favorite Player: Bangladesh
Posts: 9,767

Damn! It came from the horse's mouth!
__________________
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free" ~ Goethe
Reply With Quote
  #4036  
Old December 30, 2012, 11:15 AM
simon's Avatar
simon simon is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 20, 2008
Favorite Player: Tam,Sak,Nasa,Mash
Posts: 19,891

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamlafan
Thanks Ian for clarifying. so afterall he got place in County Cricket not becuase people think his a great player...etc that part is sorted i guess. even in IPL he was left on the bench, surely that shows something... management see him at practice and they went with the better option. he is not highly rated in world cricket, we bangladeshi fan's should stop dreamng that he is some kind of big thing. in Bangladesh his the best openner we got for sure, but lets not drag world cricket into it. I repeat if opposition work-out Tamim Iqbal oo-stump weakness his run getting is pretty much over. But I am pretty confident Siddons can work with him and try to do something. Inshallah Tamim will become a match winner and better player for bangladesh.
arey bhai, u r so spot on, apnarto scotland Yard e thaka uchit.
magar apni arekta info janenna ba bhuila gesen, ei je Tamim Sri Premier Lg e chance pailo, eita kintu Dim Jones er maddhomei paise, bujhchenni?
__________________
আমার সত্ত্বা ভেঙ্গে টুকড়ে একদম একাকার
অশরীরীর মত আমি মানুষ নই যে আর !
Reply With Quote
  #4037  
Old December 30, 2012, 11:25 AM
M.H.Rubel M.H.Rubel is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: August 18, 2009
Location: Dhaka
Favorite Player: All Bangladeshi players
Posts: 5,648

In test cricket Tamim is always an exciting world class batsman. To me he is underachiever in short formats. This is very interesting. It seems short formats are natural for him but his stats don't talk like that. But I hope Tamim's ODI and T20 stats will improve in future.
Reply With Quote
  #4038  
Old December 30, 2012, 11:27 AM
Nadim's Avatar
Nadim Nadim is offline
BanglaCricket Staff
 
Join Date: September 16, 2008
Location: Guantanamo
Favorite Player: Innocent Bird
Posts: 42,229

Quote:
Originally Posted by M.H.Rubel
In test cricket Tamim is always an exciting world class batsman. To me he is underachiever in short formats. This is very interesting. It seems short formats are natural for him but his stats don't talk like that. But I hope Tamim's ODI and T20 stats will improve in future.
He Will continue to underachieve if he doesn't do anything about his fitness...

Posted via BC Mobile Edition (Blackberry)
Reply With Quote
  #4039  
Old December 30, 2012, 11:39 AM
Maysun's Avatar
Maysun Maysun is offline
MLC World Series I
 
Join Date: April 11, 2011
Location: Dhaka
Posts: 5,892

The saying, action speaks louder than words.

Tamim's take: "What nonsense! Ki bole ei beta? Only if you speak, can you be louder."
Reply With Quote
  #4040  
Old December 30, 2012, 11:45 PM
TamimFan TamimFan is offline
Club Cricketer
 
Join Date: November 20, 2012
Posts: 109

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamlafan
Tamim Iqbal is pretty over-rated by US Fans!

On the other Hand Anamul Haque looks pretty! The 20+ he scored Against WI in T20 (Some of his Shoots Class + His temperament... u can see that when he bat) Anamul will be better. Just need to find someone else who is a good opener! For the Moment Tamim will remain as long as Akram is there.
you mean Tamim is playing just bcz AKRAM there?

Posted via BC Mobile Edition
Reply With Quote
  #4041  
Old December 31, 2012, 07:17 AM
simon's Avatar
simon simon is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 20, 2008
Favorite Player: Tam,Sak,Nasa,Mash
Posts: 19,891

Quote:
Originally Posted by TamimFan
you mean Tamim is playing just bcz AKRAM there?

Posted via BC Mobile Edition
ya, that's what I understood.
Not only that but he thinks Anamul will be better because he scored 20+ runs ignoring the fact that in that same match Tamim was not out on 88.
This is what happens when u don't see things from a neutral point de vue.
__________________
আমার সত্ত্বা ভেঙ্গে টুকড়ে একদম একাকার
অশরীরীর মত আমি মানুষ নই যে আর !
Reply With Quote
  #4042  
Old December 31, 2012, 07:55 AM
Nadim's Avatar
Nadim Nadim is offline
BanglaCricket Staff
 
Join Date: September 16, 2008
Location: Guantanamo
Favorite Player: Innocent Bird
Posts: 42,229

Quote:
Originally Posted by simon
ya, that's what I understood.
Not only that but he thinks Anamul will be better because he scored 20+ runs ignoring the fact that in that same match Tamim was not out on 88.
This is what happens when u don't see things from a neutral point de vue.
Exactly Simon miah. His score could have been 120+ and not 88 if he didn't decline easy 2s and 3s due this very good fitness
__________________
Kholi: I hated being on the bench and not playing
our gadhas: I love being on the bench as im getting paid anyway
Reply With Quote
  #4043  
Old December 31, 2012, 08:02 AM
simon's Avatar
simon simon is offline
Cricket Sage
 
Join Date: February 20, 2008
Favorite Player: Tam,Sak,Nasa,Mash
Posts: 19,891

Quote:
Originally Posted by nadim 98
Exactly Simon miah. His score could have been 120+ and not 88 if he didn't decline easy 2s and 3s due this very good fitness
tumi Tamim er fitness niye jerokom obsessed , tomake niye chinta hoy
__________________
আমার সত্ত্বা ভেঙ্গে টুকড়ে একদম একাকার
অশরীরীর মত আমি মানুষ নই যে আর !
Reply With Quote
  #4044  
Old December 31, 2012, 11:25 AM
TamimFan TamimFan is offline
Club Cricketer
 
Join Date: November 20, 2012
Posts: 109

Quote:
Originally Posted by simon
ya, that's what I understood.
Not only that but he thinks Anamul will be better because he scored 20+ runs ignoring the fact that in that same match Tamim was not out on 88.
This is what happens when u don't see things from a neutral point de vue.
Anamul will be better than Tamim,okay thats good for our cricket.We want few more better player than Tamim but Tamim plays just bcz His uncle is a selector that sounds too harsh.

Posted via BC Mobile Edition
Reply With Quote
  #4045  
Old December 31, 2012, 11:35 AM
TamimFan TamimFan is offline
Club Cricketer
 
Join Date: November 20, 2012
Posts: 109

TAMIM IN 2012.

IN TEST:
Matches 2
Runs 137
Highest 72
Averege 34.25
SR 72.48
fifties 1.

(Not Good,Not Bad)

IN ODI:
Matches 9
Runs 347
Highest 70
Averege 38.55
SR 82.81
Fifties 5
(Averaging 38+ with 5 fifties in 9 match. Superb though should have scored couple of ton:-( )

IN T20:
Matches 9
Runs 327
Highest 88*
Avereg 46.71
SR 119.34
Fifties 3
(averaging 46 , Amazing)

9 fifties in this year in 22 innings.

3 Consecutive Hundred in NCL As well.

All he has done after BPL And Pre Asia Cup controversy,He was under tremendous pressure.

Posted via BC Mobile Edition
Reply With Quote
  #4046  
Old December 31, 2012, 03:04 PM
MarufH's Avatar
MarufH MarufH is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: February 20, 2006
Location: Washington D.C., USA
Favorite Player: Shakib Al Hasan
Posts: 2,634

Quote:
Originally Posted by TamimFan
TAMIM IN 2012.

IN TEST:
Matches 2
Runs 137
Highest 72
Averege 34.25
SR 72.48
fifties 1.

(Not Good,Not Bad)

IN ODI:
Matches 9
Runs 347
Highest 70
Averege 38.55
SR 82.81
Fifties 5
(Averaging 38+ with 5 fifties in 9 match. Superb though should have scored couple of ton:-( )

IN T20:
Matches 9
Runs 327
Highest 88*
Avereg 46.71
SR 119.34
Fifties 3
(averaging 46 , Amazing)

9 fifties in this year in 22 innings.

3 Consecutive Hundred in NCL As well.

All he has done after BPL And Pre Asia Cup controversy,He was under tremendous pressure.

Posted via BC Mobile Edition
You cant deny stats! Thanks Tamimfan!
__________________
Bangladesh!
Reply With Quote
  #4047  
Old December 31, 2012, 10:28 PM
MohammedC MohammedC is offline
BanglaCricket Staff
 
Join Date: April 15, 2007
Location: Manchester,UK
Favorite Player: bhujee kom
Posts: 22,479

Firebird won the toss decided to bat. No radio due to technical dificulty
__________________
I love Bangladesh cricket and that's why I found BanglaCricket.com
Reply With Quote
  #4048  
Old December 31, 2012, 10:30 PM
MohammedC MohammedC is offline
BanglaCricket Staff
 
Join Date: April 15, 2007
Location: Manchester,UK
Favorite Player: bhujee kom
Posts: 22,479

Tamim has managed to get off the mark
__________________
I love Bangladesh cricket and that's why I found BanglaCricket.com
Reply With Quote
  #4049  
Old December 31, 2012, 10:33 PM
ahnaf's Avatar
ahnaf ahnaf is offline
Cricket Legend
 
Join Date: May 31, 2010
Location: Dhaka,BD
Favorite Player: Tamim,Ash,Mash,Shakib
Posts: 3,383

^Scorecard mo bhai?

Posted via BC Mobile Edition
Reply With Quote
  #4050  
Old December 31, 2012, 10:35 PM
MohammedC MohammedC is offline
BanglaCricket Staff
 
Join Date: April 15, 2007
Location: Manchester,UK
Favorite Player: bhujee kom
Posts: 22,479

http://scoring.blackcaps.co.nz/lives...scorecard.aspx
__________________
I love Bangladesh cricket and that's why I found BanglaCricket.com
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:39 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
BanglaCricket.com
 

About Us | Contact Us | Privacy Policy | Partner Sites | Useful Links | Banners |

© BanglaCricket