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Old August 26, 2009, 11:40 AM
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Default Australia too white?

An interesting article by Michael Jeh, an immigrant himself. He investigates why Australia doesn't have enough colored players compared to other predominantly white nations.

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What's with the lack of ethnic players in Australia?


In an interesting, perhaps even slightly provocative article today, the Sydney Morning Herald raised the issue of whether the Australian cricket team is “too white”. I hesitated before deciding to writing this piece because I realise it is likely to engender polarised opinions that sometimes descend into unnecessary nationalistic vitriol that moves away from the original debate. I’m hoping that this time, the comments that inevitably flow will avoid the usual temptations to take an entrenched ethnic stance and view it instead as a friendly chat over the neighbour’s wall.
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Old August 26, 2009, 04:00 PM
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Well, I guess we are not going to see any Monty Panesar, Adil Rashid, or Jeetan Patel for Australia anytime soon. It's their lose.

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Raj Natarajan, president of the India Sports Club and coach says. "The talent is there. Lots of young kids from India and Sri Lanka play at grade level but after that we don't see them because they are not given the same encouragement and training as an Anglo-Saxon kids."
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Old August 26, 2009, 04:02 PM
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Not necessarily their "loss". They just have better white players - that's all. As the author mentions, he just wasn't good enough - his color had nothing to do with him not making it up the ranks.
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Old August 26, 2009, 04:14 PM
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For example, the vice captain of the women's team is of Indian origin:
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Old August 26, 2009, 04:17 PM
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Don't know Asif bhai, something just don't fit right. Australia does not have any shortage of boys of subcontinental origin, although not as many as England does. Yet it's a big news when Usman Khawaja makes into a state team.

Although, to be fair, most of the Australian club and state captains prolly don't know how to use a spinner (something that subcontinental players have natural talent for) properly, thus spinners are not valued there.
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Old August 26, 2009, 04:25 PM
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Australia too white?
Not at all until they look really like this....

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Australia is a predominantly white country, hence the cricket team is also white.

There is no ulterior motive, if someone of non-European descent is good enough they will make the team. Jason Gillespie was part Aboriginal, and he was a regular in the Test team up until only a few years ago.
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Australia is a predominantly white country, hence the cricket team is also white.
According to CIA factbook, Australian population is not any more white dominant than UK population is. 7% of Australian population is made of Asian origins, and a good number of them come from India, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka! However, while it's common to see one or two Asians in every English county team nowadays, I so far heard of only one Asian-Australian FC cricketer - Usman Khawaja. Once again, there is something wrong with this picture.
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the english immigrants have been living there mostly for several generations, whereas australian immigrants are mostly from this generation. i guess we will see more people of asian origin in australian team after 15-20 years.
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For RSA or Zim it is OK, and now for Aussies its not.
Criticism should follow newton's law.
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I'll be the 1st coloured guy to play for OZ!!! (Im no way near good enough, got more emphasis on academics)
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I'll be the 1st coloured guy to play for OZ!!! (Im no way near good enough, got more emphasis on academics)
And on debut you will be bowled mercilessly by Nafis in the first inning and Nafi in the second, which will bring about a premature end to an otherwise promising Test career.
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For RSA or Zim it is OK, and now for Aussies its not.
Criticism should follow newton's law.
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Both RSA and Zim have plenty of colored cricketers.
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Old August 28, 2009, 04:51 PM
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there was a coloured guy who played for WA a couple of years back, last name was gilles or close to that. true there aren't many coloured guys in the state teams, but remember there are only 6 teams, england has a lot more than 6 teams to fill.

also in the last couple of years the australian stat sides have been chasing coloured players, south australia had younis khan and tanvir last season and they've been chasing some of the sri lankan's for the t20s (murali, malinga).

also recently there was a highly rated guy playing in the aussie u19 side. colour shouldn't matter, teams should just field the best team they can. if people are being kept out of teams just because of their colour then i think that's a problem, but if someone else is just better then there shouldn't be an issue imo.
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As Asif bhai already poited out Lisa Sthalekar



Lisa Carprini Sthalekar

Australia Full name Lisa Carprini Sthalekar

Born August 13, 1979, Poona (now Pune), Maharashtra, India

Current age 30 years 15 days

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Batting and fielding averages Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
Tests 7 13 1 406 120* 33.83 1118 36.31 1 2 35 0 3 0
ODIs 93 86 18 2346 104* 34.50 2 15 30 0
T20Is 14 14 3 232 46 21.09 223 104.03 0 0 24 0 4 0

Bowling averages Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10
Tests 7 14 1469 425 21 5/30 6/114 20.23 1.73 69.9 0 1 0
ODIs 93 91 4217 2591 100 4/20 4/20 25.91 3.68 42.1 1 0 0
T20Is 14 14 302 283 18 3/11 3/11 15.72 5.62 16.7 0 0 0

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Profile A flamboyant all-rounder, Sthalekar is a hard hitting batsman and bowls offspin. Born in India, she plays for New South Wales and scored her maiden Test hundred against England in 2003. She also averages under twenty with the ball in Test cricket. Sthalekar has enjoyed a satisfying run of form in recent times, including a half-century against India in the 2006 Test at the Adelaide Oval where she also took her career-best, 5 for 30, in the second innings as Australia won by an innings and four runs. In the 2006-07 season she guided the New South Wales Breakers to their ninth Women's National Cricket League title in 11 years scoring 83 in the final. In February 2007, Sthalekar, now the vice-captain of Australia, won the Women's International Cricketer of the Year for Australia, edging out Karen Rolton, the captain, by one vote. And she was up for a further honour, too, being shortlisted for the ICC Women's Player of the Year in 2007, which was won in its first year, by Rolton.
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What a joke of an article. This guy clearly has some sort of agenda. The truth is that none have been good enough. There is no prejudice in the aussie system what so ever, you score runs and take wickets, you will get a chance.
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What a joke of an article. This guy clearly has some sort of agenda. The truth is that none have been good enough. There is no prejudice in the aussie system what so ever, you score runs and take wickets, you will get a chance.
Not a joke at all, actually. In fact the author speaks along the same lines as you have - he concedes he was never good enough and that selection decisions in Australia are hardly racially motivated. His was merely a response to the Sydney Morning Herald article.
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If Australia is too white then what about ours? I mean Bangladesh Cricket? .....too brown? :P
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If Australia is too white then what about ours? I mean Bangladesh Cricket? .....too brown? :P
We can't help that, can we? White people are not motivated to migrate to Bangladesh.

Only immigrant community in Bangladesh are called "Bihari" - people that migrated from different parts of India during India-Pakistan partition. That community is well represented in Bangladesh cricket by cricketers such as Atahar Ali, Javed Omar, Akram Khan and his two nephews Nafees and Tamim Iqbal.
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Are there any aborigines 1st class cricketers in Australia?
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Are there any aborigines 1st class cricketers in Australia?
Jason Gillespie apparently is part aboriginie.... lol no jokes
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there could be a handful who have aborigine in them but i don't think there are any full aborigines in aussie FC cricket atm (i could easily be missing someone as i don't know the face of every FC player atm). however they have aborigine cricket tournaments (the Imparja Cup) and there was an aboriginal team that went on tour somewhere recently.

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Thanks nz and gowza for the info! Cool brothers!

nz bro, are there any Maori first class cricketers playing in NZ?
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Theres a small amount

I mean Adam Parore,heath davis, anaru kitchen others I have forgotten

more Indians than maoris really
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Well well, now here's a pretty ridiculous article on the diversity in English cricket:

http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/con...ry/422153.html

...and a response:

http://blogs.cricinfo.com/inbox/arch..._sons.php#more
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