IPL, Yes or No?

[billah]

Aside from the money, nothing good came out of IPL for our cricket or our cricketers. Our then captain and vice captain just warmed the benches and carried the drinks for their team mates. Many of these team mates were mediocre cricketers themselves. From what I see

- IPL did not give them match practice.
- It hurt their self-esteem.
- It looked bad on us that our top dollar guy was kept sidelined when his team just died a slow and painful death.
- No money was tabled for the world's top alrounder - who happens to be from Bangladesh.
- Lack of match practice or team work hurt both of the guys, it was all too apparent.
- Mash's contract was not signed for a very long time, other treatment of our superstars were also unprofessional and insulting.

IPL may be beneficial to India, may be even to other top sides. It did not do any good for us. Except, of course, for the money.

I don't want to see the likes of Shakib, Tamim, Mashrafe or Ash to line up for the handout. I would love to see BCB take up position of not making these guys available for IPL. Other countries did, for the sake of cricket. We need this team to play and practice together, as much as possible. IPL and the lure of the dollar is a major distraction.

Your thoughts, please. Vote in the poll, we'll discuss the findings on your opinion after the poll closes in 7 days.

[Electrequiem]

Agreed.

But when a player gets big $$$ from signing a piece of paper that says he would have to work less than half than what he is currently doing, I am pretty sure the points you specified vanish in thin air. Like you mentioned, the only good thing is the money. In some cases, it is also the only thing.

So I am afraid we will continue to see BD players in the IPL (if not bowling or batting or fielding, at least "bar-tending" ... ) I just don't see how they can simply stop taking up this lucrative offer.

[imtiaz82]

Yeah and then they can throw birthday parties like Bashar...

[Eshen]

It's a choice for players, whether they like to make some easy bucks signing for IPL teams. But, yeah, I don't see playing in IPL will bring any benefit to Bangladesh team.

[AsifTheManRahman]

A big YES.

1. I have no objection to players making big bucks playing cricket, no matter how small the commitment is.

2. They will be available for national duty as and when required.

3. It's lame to say that the IPL "destroys" players. If it does, then they are weak and don't deserve to play international cricket. Besides, where is Ashraful's self-esteem when he fails to score a 50 in a thousand years?

4. It is the fault of our players and not the IPL that they can't make the best out of practicing with some of the world's best in the nets.

[Murad]

Tamim is a crappy 20/20 player even in BD standards. He won't be picked. Or even if he is picked, he will flop!!

Same for Shakib.

Both are good ODI and Test player. But both suck in 20/20!

[yaseer]

Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
A big YES.

1. I have no objection to players making big bucks playing cricket, no matter how small the commitment is.

2. They will be available for national duty as and when required.

3. It's lame to say that the IPL "destroys" players. If it does, then they are weak and don't deserve to play international cricket. Besides, where is Ashraful's self-esteem when he fails to score a 50 in a thousand years?

4. It is the fault of our players and not the IPL that they can't make the best out of practicing with some of the world's best in the nets.

exactly.
IPL not gonna cause any harm to us. We have to use it in our best way.

[Ashraf-FTP]

they atleast get paid good amount of money that they dont get from BCB so even if they dont play, IPL helps pur players financially

[Foozy]

I want to say NO, but I am being forced to say Yes because the best players out there from most of the other countries have other leagues or sources from where they can get the big bucks.

For our players, this seems to be the only way that they can get their hands on that sort of money, and for some of them, they deserve it more than the best out there because of the way they entered the cricket scene and made their presence felt and so on...

So purely due to monetary reasons I would say yes. I do not however see any benefits coming from the IPL for BD cricket, and I don't even see our players taking suck leagues seriously. But if this is their only source for big money, so be it! Every person has dreams, and in most cases it takes a lot of money to make those dreams come true .

[Imteaz]

It depends on the situation. If our players play on the IPL that is not a problem but it should not hamper our players to play for country properly.

[Zunaid]

Yes.

The more there is money in cricket, the more there will be interest in young 'uns trying to have a go, and more opportunities to find cricketers commensurate with our population.

[Naimul_Hd]

no harm playing along with World class players of different countries in IPL...they wont lose anything except learn more and more. however, i dnt see Tamim to get pickd by any IPL teams coz he is only batsman..but Shakib may have a chance of playing IPL but its also very unlikely.

[BANFAN]

Yes but once they are established performers against the better teams.

1. That will give them added confidence & nothing in IPL could hurt their self confidence
2. Teams will find it hard to ignore them & keep them sitting for a long time

So my answer would be Yes but when they are a bit more matured as cricketers. Option isn't there. Their current focus should be to take the team up at a much more competitive level with the other G7 nations. IPL could act as a meaningful reaward after that.

[Blah]

I voted no.

I feel, easy money as a motivation is not always a good thing for cricket's future. I hope people don't start playing professional cricket because of the prospect of making easy money in the future (through IPL), but rather play cricket for the love of it and make money in the process.

20/20 is a good form of cricket but IPL (and similar tournament) is not. They are essentially rationing foreign players (regardless of how much they are payed) in a bidding war - where individual player's worth is a dollar value in their contract. True, some players will make obscene amount of money for their little effort they put in to the game; but it is wrong to assume that it will benefit national cricket for us or any other participating countries.

Understand that it is called IPL (Indian Premium Cricket), because of the way it is structured the only cricket infrastructure that will benefit from this is BCCI. Individual players from other countries will benefit (financially) but cricket as a whole, will not. It will only encourage individuals who are making obscene amount of money to retire early, resulting in loosing talents from national teams like Bangladesh who can't afford it.

This will not affect countries like Australia, india, England as much; where players already make good money and they have a huge pool of talents to fall back to. But for countries like Bangladesh - NZ - WI, this is not really a good thing.

tl;dr : I don't like IPL

[Rabz]

Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
A big YES.

Period.
End of the story.

[Antora]

well, It's their choice. I mean if they are selected then sure, why not go for the experience and all but I don't really think its going to benefit our cricket in anyway. I think I've mentioned this in another thread previously, When i met Mashrafe last weekend, I asked him about his experience in IPL. He told me that he didn't like it at all, the only reason he went was for the experience with different players and ofcourse the quick money. He also said one thing which I thought was funny but awesome and he said " It feels better to lose in IPL, then it does to win" and when I asked him why, he said that no one is there to play for a country all they are doing is representing the money and when they win there isn't much joy. I thought that was an awesome statement! He also said 20/20 was ruining cricket and he didn't like that format of the game at all. LOL

But yes, if they want to go then no one is stopping them but if you're like MAshrafe and don't like the format at all, you're obviously not going to enjoy it. I rather the BAngladesh cricket team practise together and become a better team in ODIs and test than worry about IPL.

[billah]

Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
A big YES.

1. I have no objection to players making big bucks playing cricket, no matter how small the commitment is.

2. They will be available for national duty as and when required.

3. It's lame to say that the IPL "destroys" players. If it does, then they are weak and don't deserve to play international cricket. Besides, where is Ashraful's self-esteem when he fails to score a 50 in a thousand years?

4. It is the fault of our players and not the IPL that they can't make the best out of practicing with some of the world's best in the nets.

A big NO.

1. I have objection to players prostituting for money, instead of dedicating for their national team.

2. If they are treated/used the way they did last year, they come back worse off from IPL. Any simpleton can see that.

3. It is justified to say that its one thing to try and fail for Bangladesh, than be sidelined to fetch water for "Eeuuvee"

4. You can net with Lara all day. Come the match day, Lara will belt you out of the park, multiple times. Only when it counts, in real matches. Another simpleton....

[billah]

Originally Posted by Antora
well, It's their choice. I mean if they are selected then sure, why not go for the experience and all but I don't really think its going to benefit our cricket in anyway. I think I've mentioned this in another thread previously, When i met Mashrafe last weekend, I asked him about his experience in IPL. He told me that he didn't like it at all, the only reason he went was for the experience with different players and ofcourse the quick money. He also said one thing which I thought was funny but awesome and he said " It feels better to lose in IPL, then it does to win" and when I asked him why, he said that no one is there to play for a country all they are doing is representing the money and when they win there isn't much joy. I thought that was an awesome statement! He also said 20/20 was ruining cricket and he didn't like that format of the game at all. LOL

But yes, if they want to go then no one is stopping them but if you're like MAshrafe and don't like the format at all, you're obviously not going to enjoy it. I rather the BAngladesh cricket team practise together and become a better team in ODIs and test than worry about IPL.

Thank you.

Now, if any of you have more direct experience with the real scenario than Mashrafee, please step up to the plate and deliver.

[billah]

Originally Posted by BANFAN
Yes but once they are established performers against the better teams.

1. That will give them added confidence & nothing in IPL could hurt their self confidence
2. Teams will find it hard to ignore them & keep them sitting for a long time

So my answer would be Yes but when they are a bit more matured as cricketers. Option isn't there. Their current focus should be to take the team up at a much more competitive level with the other G7 nations. IPL could act as a meaningful reaward after that.

BANFAN: I had to jump in here about your points.

1. Pretty much every thing that happened, since the high-profile auction was a potential danger for Mashrafee's self confidence. The list is long, here's a few:

- Mash arrives late, they did not let him join practice

- They did not sign him for a very long time. So long that even West Bengal media started questioning Lalit Modi's real intents about Mash.

- They did not show any confidence on Mash, rather they used mediocre players that performed pathetically throughout the season, even when their team went straight down the toilet.

- Then they throw Mash in, at the fag end of the season, with the plane burning and crashing down at high speed. That last over pasting Mash took - that could leave a real scar on any bowler's psyche, specially our Mash.

2. Mash's team lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, got up, lost again,again and again. The series of record setting losses did not make it any hard for them to keep Mash sitting there, warming the bench and fetching their drink ! Our Mash ! Our best pacer ! Didn't you live through that pain ?!

To conclude, I find very little validity in those points. Sorry.

[billah]

Originally Posted by Rabz
Period.
End of the story.

It's ok, Rabz. I understand.

[auntu]

I'm not sure. It it is inevitable.

[PoorFan]

Originally Posted by billah
BANFAN: I had to jump in here about your points.

1. Pretty much every thing that happened, since the high-profile auction was a potential danger for Mashrafee's self confidence. The list is long, here's a few:

- Mash arrives late, they did not let him join practice

- They did not sign him for a very long time. So long that even West Bengal media started questioning Lalit Modi's real intents about Mash.

- They did not show any confidence on Mash, rather they used mediocre players that performed pathetically throughout the season, even when their team went straight down the toilet.

- Then they throw Mash in, at the fag end of the season, with the plane burning and crashing down at high speed. That last over pasting Mash took - that could leave a real scar on any bowler's psyche, specially our Mash.

2. Mash's team lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, got up, lost again,again and again. The series of record setting losses did not make it any hard for them to keep Mash sitting there, warming the bench and fetching their drink ! Our Mash ! Our best pacer ! Didn't you live through that pain ?!

To conclude, I find very little validity in those points. Sorry.

Well, who are THEY? Is it IPL or is it a team management of IPL? If it is the later one, then how can a tournament organizer like IPL control those issues? For example who is to pick for a game and who is not, though IPL can set up a time-frame to finish players contract processing. My point is if we are to discuss IPL is good or bad, Yes or No ... it has to be a package discussion, meaning cricket, players, money, FTP etc., as well as organizing point of view.

And again for example, few instant points that comes to my mind is ...

1. Since IPL is a Indian cricket tournament consists of mainly Indian players, IPL has merit to develop or boost their cricket, players and market. May not have such merit to BD, WI, NZ cricket etc. - cricket POV.

2. Since some international players tent to ignore FTP tours [as we have seen with WI and NZ case], or claim too much of cricket ... IPL and ICC should find a calendar in FTP which suits every nation, though it would be tough job to find a common ground. - FTP POV.

3. For same reason, IPL should make mandatory of player's cricket board clearance, to send the clear message that no one can play without cricket boards permission, that is you cant ignore FTP games. - FTP POV.

4. IPL can extend international players quota in a game to 4 or 5, or number of international players quota in a team. So that the games become more competitive and no team gets excess international players only warm the bench. - organizing POV.

Bottom line is ... 20/20 cricket and IPL like tournament will remain to be boost, but the point is how to bring the best [for all corner] out of it. Gradually, each year we may see some change / improve, so that in near future we may find IPL also helping BD, WI, NZ cricket and their players too.

[fais]

forget IPL - get the Port City League organisers to organisers a proper multi-city T20 league with lots of oney, entertainment and BD players;;; then we won't need the IPL

[IanW]

Participating players, who earned their rep playing for the Tigers, got a large bag of cash. Therefore, this will incentivate other players to play hard, do good in search of large bags of IPL cash.

Good enough for me

[Purbasha T]

Personally, I do not like the whole 'Twenty20 extravaganza' thing; e.g. - IPL, ICL, other T20 leagues etc. But as it's there to stay, I wouldn't mind our players making ways there, get some money and make some name for themselves if possible. I would've preferred IPL not being there at all. But as it's gonna be there, why would I want my players to not have a bite of it? If they do not want to, that's a different case. Rather in that case, I'd be able to say; those are my Bangladeshi Boys who showed their downward thumb to that crap T20 thing and ignored it. That would be one type of fun. And if they do go there, then I'll be rooting for them to do well. That'll be another type of fun as well. So either way, I win-win.